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The 'war on Christmas' myths
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jjwales
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gordon g:
“Most of the stories are of course rubbish. And usually when there is some truth in the story, it's usually some pc plonker who has decided to intervene in case someone I offended. Not the actual minorities themselves.

Our son's school did change the nativity playboy a winter festival one year to represent the multpile faiths in the school. Of course people kicked off, and it was changed back the year after.”

So it was changed back to avoid offending Christians?

I like the thought of a "Nativity Playboy" though.
Staunchy
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“Only if it's in a thread debunking some other right wing bugbear... there is a time and a place for these sudden desires to go "politically correct" to highlight a "double standard" don'cha know.”

Well if people didn't express double standards, they'd be nothing to highlight don'cha think?
Girth
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“Why not? What makes one group worthy of mustn't offend them treatment and other groups open to ridicule and denigration?”

Social value.
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“Shouldn't we be nice to everyone no matter what group they belong to?”

Only if they're nice to us.
Staunchy
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Girth:
“Social value.”

Aren't we all equal?

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“Only if they're nice to us.”

What happened to treat others as you would like to be treated?
walterwhite
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“Uproar?

l'm just seeing people who claim to be tolerant and inclusive of others being hypocritical by rubbishing a minority they don't like.”

Yeah and you are pretty much on your own. Chav is a term used to describe oafs and louts. There is nothing for you to get all upset about.
Pumping Iron
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“Well if people didn't express double standards, they'd be nothing to highlight don'cha think?”

I think you're the only one seeing this imaginary double standard.

Personally I'm not keen on being overly politically correct.
walterwhite
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pumping Iron:
“I think you're the only one seeing this imaginary double standard.

Personally I'm not keen on being overly politically correct.”

Are you denigrating the politically correct amongst us now? Are they a minority?

How dare you?
Girth
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“Aren't we all equal?”

No.

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“What happened to treat others as you would like to be treated?”

What happened to 'you reap what you sow'?
James Frederick
12-12-2016
How many Chav's consider themselves to be Chav's?
Pumping Iron
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by walterwhite:
“Are you denigrating the politically correct amongst us now? Are they a minority?

How dare you?”

Haha apologies
Staunchy
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by walterwhite:
“Yeah and you are pretty much on your own. Chav is a term used to describe oafs and louts. There is nothing for you to get all upset about.”

I'm not getting upset, well not as much as those who want to defame a minority they don't like and don't like it being pointed out that it's not a nice thing to do.
Chihiro77
12-12-2016
From this thread I have learned;

1. that every year someone spouts nonsense about Christmas dying out

2. that some people will argue about anything
Girth
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Chihiro77:
“2. that some people will argue about anything”

No they won't.
BBWorldWideFan
12-12-2016
Well if you expect a certain class of people on the Daily Mail's website, why are you getting in a frenzy over what they say, and fundamentally potentially giving them attention? play them at their own game, ignorance. Ignore them completely.
fastzombie
12-12-2016
Don't like chavvy people, use the term freely but I can see the point, railing against those who attack a minority by lumping them all together as chavs and daily Mail readers.
Gilbertoo
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“Really?

The opening post was complaining about the treatment of one put upon minority by putting down another put upon minority, you can't see the double standards in that?

Sticking up for? I thought I was partaking in the values of equality and tolerance, by not tarring the whole of a minority because of the actions of a minority within it.”

Are you seriously saying that "chavs" should be treated and protected as some kind of minority group?

I'd understand if you wanted to get on your soapbox about "poor" people, but brash and loutish behaviour is not deserving of any type of protection.
TerraCanis
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“Interesting use of the word "chavs" in the first sentence, an attack on a minority perhaps?”

Yes, it is, albeit a self-selecting one.

I propose dropping the term. Suitable alternatives already exist in the English language. "Lout" or "yob",, possibly "hooligan" depending on context, for example.
Staunchy
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by fastzombie:
“Don't like chavvy people, use the term freely but I can see the point, railing against those who attack a minority by lumping them all together as chavs and daily Mail readers.”

Yay! Someone finally gets my point, thank you.
Staunchy
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gilbertoo:
“Are you seriously saying that "chavs" should be treated and protected as some kind of minority group?

I'd understand if you wanted to get on your soapbox about "poor" people, but brash and loutish behaviour is not deserving of any type of protection.”

No.

You brought the dictionary definition into the discussion, we have no idea whether the OP meant that or just used the word to describe a group of people they look down upon.

For the umpteenth time, I'm just observing that they are one of the few minorities that people will rip into without fear of being pulled up for it. Why is that?
Pumping Iron
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“No.

You brought the dictionary definition into the discussion, we have no idea whether the OP meant that or just used the word to describe a group of people they look down upon.

For the umpteenth time, I'm just observing that they are one of the few minorities that people will rip into without fear of being pulled up for it. Why is that?”

Probably because being a chav is a chosen behaviour, rather than something that can't be helped. That behaviour also doesn't belong to one specific group, as people from all backgrounds can act like a chav.

I don't see looking down on rude, lairy and antisocial behaviour, is the same as looking down on all black or gay people for example.
Mesostim
12-12-2016
I'll just duck the attempts at deflection here for some on topic "War on Christmas" larfs... How are we doing with the "Banned Nativity" this year... hey... has anyone noticed that Eastenders always puts on a play and someone wants it to be unChristmasy but a main character wins through with the popular support of nodding extras to put Christmas back into the East End...

Usually its Dot but it's Kathy "Raised From the Dead" Mitchell this year.... should have saved her for Easter in that respect.
jjwales
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pumping Iron:
“Probably because being a chav is a chosen behaviour, rather than something that can't be helped. That behaviour also doesn't belong to one specific group, as people from all backgrounds can act like a chav.

I don't see looking down on rude, lairy and antisocial behaviour, is the same as looking down on all black or gay people for example.”

I agree. The only problem would arise if everyone living on a council estate, for example, were described as "chavs".
Pumping Iron
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“I agree. The only problem would arise if everyone living on a council estate, for example, were described as "chavs".”

Exactly.
Gilbertoo
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“No.

You brought the dictionary definition into the discussion, we have no idea whether the OP meant that or just used the word to describe a group of people they look down upon.

For the umpteenth time, I'm just observing that they are one of the few minorities that people will rip into without fear of being pulled up for it. Why is that?”

I'm only doing because you immediately got on your soap-box to defend a so-called minority group.

Not sure why you think people need to be pulled up for looking down on brash, loutish people. Maybe I should flip the question to you: Should chavs expect not to be pulled up on their brash, loutish behaviour?
walterwhite
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“I'm not getting upset, well not as much as those who want to defame a minority they don't like and don't like it being pointed out that it's not a nice thing to do.”

Your still pretty much on your own though aren't you?

You choose to be a chav, you don't have it thrust upon you. Therefore you aren't some sort of protected minority.
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