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The 'war on Christmas' myths
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jjwales
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“Still having that battle between having something to say and having to say something I see.”

No idea what you're talking about, but it sounds a bit unfriendly!
Mesostim
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“No idea what you're talking about, but it sounds a bit unfriendly!”

Anything but have people talk about War on Christmas myths I guess
muggins14
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I remember when an elderly relative first heard the word chav and trying to explain it to her, she suddenly said oh common people, in her world there were poor but hard working working class people who wanted to better themselves, then another layer who didn't have any ambition to better themselves and revelled in being common.

I've never really heard a better explanation and they are not a minority needs protecting they enjoy being who they are, but there is no need to be rude to them or belittle them either.

I've seen many arguments over the years on forums about the word it seems to earn different things to various people.”

bib - ain't that the truth I've seen it used in all sorts of contexts, it's a horrible word, usually says more about the person slinging it about. Most people seem to use it as a way of saying they think whoever it is isn't as good as they are (or they think they are). The UK version of 'white trash'.
muggins14
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“Anything but have people talk about War on Christmas myths I guess ”

I myth talking about the myth
Will_Bennetts
12-12-2016
To get this thread back OT . Its ironic quite often its the people who say Christmas is being banned who also complain when people put their trees up at the end of November so inconsistent cant they make their minds up !
Mesostim
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Will_Bennetts:
“To get this thread back OT . Its ironic quite often its the people who say Christmas is being banned who also complain when people put their trees up at the end of November so inconsistent cant they make their minds up !”

I suspect the pleasure of complaining about Christmas being banned stems from the ability to blame this supposed banning on someone or some group. It's not remotely believable that the people whinging have any experience of Christmas not happening.
walterwhite
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“

Are your teeth insured?”

I believe you are suggesting that chavs are violent.

This is obviously discriminatory.
Richard46
13-12-2016
Oddly enough the only objections to celebrating Christmas I can recall have been from a very few Christians (on here) objecting to any non-christians celebrating it.
fastzombie
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“Oddly enough the only objections to celebrating Christmas I can recall have been from a very few Christians (on here) objecting to any non-christians celebrating it. ”

That would be me.

Although I've never objected to anyone celebrating Xmas, just made an observation about the Greater Plumed Spitting Atheist decrying the evils of religious influence at every turn then putting their convictions aside for the chance of some time off and a p**s up.
jjwales
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by fastzombie:
“That would be me.

Although I've never objected to anyone celebrating Xmas, just made an observation about the Greater Plumed Spitting Atheist decrying the evils of religious influence at every turn then putting their convictions aside for the chance of some time off and a p**s up.”

It's a national holiday - what do you expect them to do?
Dotheboyshall
13-12-2016
The only religion that has banned Christmas in this country is Christianity
Richard46
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by fastzombie:
“That would be me.

Although I've never objected to anyone celebrating Xmas, just made an observation about the Greater Plumed Spitting Atheist decrying the evils of religious influence at every turn then putting their convictions aside for the chance of some time off and a p**s up.”

Tough.

Sorry not just Christians then but killjoy agnostics too.

NB Unless you have recently converted fz?

NB 2 and like you are not a Christian I am not actually a Greater Plumed Spitting Atheist but what the hell.

Edit Merry Christmas
Richard46
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“The only religion that has banned Christmas in this country is Christianity”

Did Cromwell ban Christmas or just discourage it? I think he did ban mince pies. Not a bad idea come to think of it.
Gilbertoo
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“Did Cromwell ban Christmas or just discourage it? I think he did ban mince pies. Not a bad idea come to think of it.”

I think he did ban it, but not sure that can be classed as Christianity banning it.
Richard46
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gilbertoo:
“I think he did ban it, but not sure that can be classed as Christianity banning it.”

True; so if you are correct it was just a Christian who banned it.

Edit; But I will not retract my opinion about mince pies.
bspace
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“Did Cromwell ban Christmas or just discourage it? I think he did ban mince pies. Not a bad idea come to think of it.”

Ah but that was when they were proper mince pies with meat in them.
fastzombie
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“Tough.

Sorry not just Christians then but killjoy agnostics too.

NB Unless you have recently converted fz?

NB 2 and like you are not a Christian I am not actually a Greater Plumed Spitting Atheist but what the hell.

Edit Merry Christmas”

Ah but I never had you pegged as anything but a moderate man Richard, so the title wasn't directed at you.

Not really all that keen on my title, as I'm not a killjoy
fastzombie
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“It's a national holiday - what do you expect them to do?”

Go and work in a soup kitchen
juliancarswell
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“bib - ain't that the truth I've seen it used in all sorts of contexts, it's a horrible word, usually says more about the person slinging it about. Most people seem to use it as a way of saying they think whoever it is isn't as good as they are (or they think they are). The UK version of 'white trash'.”

Aha....Can you have black or Asian chavs?
Google doesn't appear to think so. Maybe this is why it open season on them.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ch...ih=698&dpr=0.9
Cornish_Piskie
13-12-2016
The Daily Mail, and other propagandist rags who like to perpetuate the myth of "Banning Christmas", who ensure that these stories come up every year, are cynically exploiting an unpalatable, but very real truth:


The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.

From "War Propaganda", in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925), by Adolf Hitler.

Over the 90+ years since the writing of this, it has been popularly condensed down to:

If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.


The problem with this sort of manipulatively irresponsible..... malicious even?.....journalism is that people seldom challenge it. They simply read it and because it is printed in a newspaper, accept it as being true without question. They then set about blaming the target minority of their choice. Jews.... black people.... homosexuals.... muslims.... Take your pick.

These sort of stories become a stick to beat somebody with. And that's precisely what the papers-with-an-agenda want to happen.

We need to be more skeptical of what we read in newspapers.... or perhaps even stop reading them altogether. In the post Digital Revolution world we can get enough news from a multitude of other sources which are probably more reliable, and certainly more objective.

Really........ who needs the Daily Mail..?
Dotheboyshall
14-12-2016
Outrage as Christian Cross removed from Christmas tree

Read the comments, Express readers are equal opportunity bigots as they blame everyone - Jews, Muslims, Communists - for this offensive action.
Aetius_Maralas
14-12-2016
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“Did Cromwell ban Christmas or just discourage it? I think he did ban mince pies. Not a bad idea come to think of it.”

He had nothing to do with banning Christmas.

Whilst he was a minor MP at the time he didn't attend any of the parlimentary discussions about banning Christmas, he barely attended that sessions at all, suffering what would be classed as a breakdown these days.

He really wasn't the killjoy religious nut portrayed by pop culture.
DianaFire
14-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“Outrage as Christian Cross removed from Christmas tree

Read the comments, Express readers are equal opportunity bigots as they blame everyone - Jews, Muslims, Communists - for this offensive action.”

Blimey. Do people in that town plan to stage the nativity at Easter as well?
BanglaRoad
14-12-2016
[quote=DianaFire;84891387]Blimey. Do people in that town plan to stage the nativity at Easter as well?[/QUOT
Not very Christmasy is it?
Let's celebrate the birth of baby Jesus and a time of goodwill but BTW the infant will end up nailed to two pieces of wood shaped like this.
fastzombie
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aetius_Maralas:
“He had nothing to do with banning Christmas.

Whilst he was a minor MP at the time he didn't attend any of the parlimentary discussions about banning Christmas, he barely attended that sessions at all, suffering what would be classed as a breakdown these days.

He really wasn't the killjoy religious nut portrayed by pop culture.”

He helped put paid to all this Divine right of Kings nonsense, which is a good thing.

Then again he slaughtered thousands of Irish men women and children. Which isn't.
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