Yeah, having a cross on a Christmas tree seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity, really. It should also come with a spoiler warning.

I have never in my entire life heard of any actual genuine attempts by anyone to 'outlaw' Christmas. There is no war on Christmas, it's just a load of bollox which papers like the DM use to inflame their hatred against a certain religion. I see people on Facebook writing things like 'I say Happy Christmas, NOT Happy Holidays, and if it offends you, then tough'. But the thing is, it actually doesn't offend anyone. I mean, call it what you want, but there's no need to make a bloody song and dance about it!

Christmas is a lot of things, but it is not on its way out.

No so maybe you should go have a word with those guys and put them straight.

I object to the term Xmas.

Because you don't like the word being abbreviated?

Only Christians work in soup kitchens?

Why, it's a legitimate version dating back several hundred years. You may as well object to using the word 'thee'

All sorts work in soup kitchens. I'm pointing out that those who hold the religious aspect of the festival in such low regard have alternatives to being part of the celebrations should they choose to. Most don't.

It's a historically legit way to write it AFAIA. The X is a symbol for Chiro or something.

It's the first letter of the Greek word for Christ.

The all sorts include non-Christians. I'd hazard a guess that most Christians don't spend their Xmas in a soup kitchen, but I assume that's ok when they're busy "celebrating".
This heathen household dares to enjoy our national holiday however we choose.
I'm sure you can't imagine that only Christians are capable of doing voluntary work either.


I wouldn't be surprised. It's KKK, other hate groups and fundamentalist Christian territory.

The problem is that if Christians want their religious festivals preserved as National Holidays they cannot complain when the non-religious use them as holidays in whatever way they see fit.
A lot of people have no choice about not being able to work on the Christmas holiday. It is then a bit rich to expect them not to enjoy it as they see fit.

The alternative is simply to treat Christmas as a secular festival, as most people do.

Correct


I am sure that everyone who does it knows all this

People are free to spend it how and as they see fit really Anne, be they heathen atheist or Christian. I'm pointing out that the kind of anti theist who rants about the pernicious influence of Christianity in any other area of society gets remarkably easy going when it comes to a Christian festival with the prospect of time off and a p**s up.

It'd be nice to see some of them walking the walk as well as talking the talk. And in response to someone protesting that taking time off is obligitory for most employees at this time of year, I suggested the soup kitchen as a solution.

If your the sort of non believer who celebrates Xmas without religious trappings but is happy to let others practice their religion then fair enough. The kind of fanatic who wants to see any religious trappings stomped out while happily celebrating Xmas is a bit of a hypocrit IMO.

As long as they don't attempt to make it a secular festival, that's their choice.

I'm 68, we were taught the information of it's origins in junior school. It's a perfectly legitimate alternative and I can't remember a time when it wasn't used.
I thought it was only extremist evangelists who thought it was some kind of sinister slur.

What does that mean?

It is already a secular holiday. i.e. A national Bank Holiday.

If people want to celibrate it as a secular festival why should they be denied that choice?

Indeed how could they be denied that choice?

Who is saying they should be denied that choice.

This is just going round in circles. It's a national holiday for the sake of Christians. If non-Christians choose to have a p*** up, that's entirely up to them. It seems to be you who can't allow others to do as they please.


What does walking the walk mean? It's none of your business what anyone does during their holiday. You replied with soup kitchens when jj wales pointed out that it's a national holiday without any protesting involved. In fact it was in response to you protesting about non-Christians





What does this mean? They're not celebrating Xmas.

Whether people are Christian or not it's certainly good to have one time of year when there's a little more appreciation and concern around for the human race.

If you are; like all sensible people; content that others use a National Holiday as they see fit then it appears we are in agreement.

The christians nicked it off the pagans, and these days its a commercial and very much a secular festival - so that bitter ship has long sailed.

really? Walk me through that one then, because I don't know what you mean here to be honest.

Making an observation about the hypocricy of some over a christian based festival is not stopping anyone celebrating it. It's just making an observation.




Protesting about non Christians being stopped from celebrating is a bit of a loose interpretation. I was pretty specific about the type of non Christian I was refferring to, not every non christian. And again, making the observation about the hypocricy.







{QUOTE]What does this mean? They're not celebrating Xmas.

Whether people are Christian or not it's certainly good to have one time of year when there's a little more appreciation and concern around for the human race.[/quote]

Yes I agree. And that some of those are informed by spiritual and religious concepts is a part of that.