Yeah. Those faked moon landings and Royal plot to murder Diana are "obvious to many people", too.

The producers (although the Beeb are not involved with the tour) know the voting patterns and percentages so they have the power to manipulate the judges scoring,last night Claudia was thrown under a bus before she performed a step, If I was going to see the Tour I'd expect the winner to be part of that tour, the only one not doing the tour is Claudia, so she was manipulated not Louise, my opinion was that Louise was the poorer dancer on Saturday.

everyone seems to have forgotten that Alesha Dixon was also 2nd on the LB out of the last 4 couples but ended up in the DO like Danny

Exactly. That seems to be getting lost rather too easily in hysteria on here tonight!


You'd have been disappointed the year Alesha won then. Funnily enough it didn't do ticket sales any harm at all.

It might be your opinion that Louise was the poorer dancer (and indeed I agree), but clearly many of the public didn't share that opinion and voted for her. Nothing more and nothing less. The tie on the leaderboard made it more likely that whoever out of Claudia and Louise did better in the public vote would avoid the dance-off, so clearly if they were fixing it they didn't do a good job of it...


Ah but that doesn't help the conspiracy theorists

Claudia was doomed the moment she didn't finish top which I think is slightly unfair, particularly at this stage of proceedings. She could have finished second in the vote and still left.

As for Danny - I agree, that's tough. Not enough people voted for him and he nearly left because of it.

Not enough people voted for either of them. Louise's fans managed to save her from the dance off even though she tied with Claudia.

I have too but now I'm not so sure. I think that Louise will win to be honest but am very happy that Danny, and Ore, has made it to the final.

People vote for who they like even if they think they didn't dance well or were terrible. How else do you explain Ed Balls getting so far?

People may have voted for Louise because they are supporters of Harry and Jamie and would vote for her anyway regardless of how well or weak she danced.

I never voted for Ed but some of his dances were highly entertaining.

And I don't give a flying fig (being polite) about Jamie or Harry. I like Louise, she appeals and I actually enjoy her dancing.

Lot of assumptions here, Hunk.

Hear, hear. There were more votes for Ore, simple as that.

I said people, not you specifically.

That's what it is supposed to look like. However, the fact that Ore was twice in the dance-off in the previous weeks and did not do anything groundbreaking this weekend to suddenly become the public's favorite makes the scenario you mentioned extremely unlikely. Most probably, the marking manipulation was not enough to ensure Ore's advance to the final and there was voting manipulation as well.

I don't really understand why that's so difficult to comprehend

It's done by an independent company.

It's going to have to be faced. Ore outpolled Danny or Claudia and possibly both.

Me neither. DENIAL

But he didn't need to be the public favourite - he could have finished third in the public vote and still avoided the Dance Off.

Said who?

I believe that's only in the case of a draw.

Your logic would make sense if the same people voted every week and voted the same way every week. However they don't.

In the first place some people will vote one week and the next not even see the show. At this time of year with works parties etc it is very likely people will miss a show and not vote.

Some people pick a favourite at some point in the series and will vote for them come thick and thin. They would vote even if their favourite danced like the back end of a pantomime donkey.

Others vote for the dance they liked best that night. Some weeks they may vote for one person and other weeks for another. In some weeks they may not enjoy any dances and not vote at all. Some will vote for whoever they see as the one in trouble who needs the votes that night or the series underdog.

Others will vote strategically or vote in an 'anybody but' way. Finally there will be people who get fed up with all the conspiracy theories and slurs against contestants and get behind someone who has become the whipping boy of the vocal minority.

Just because Ore got more votes this week does not mean he became the public favourite overnight. The vote distribution will inevitably change week on week.

Said the show. That is what they are categorically stating (through the results they announced) happened.

If you are claiming something else happened with the voting then you are accusing them of lying about the public vote to get a particular result. Do you really think they would risk that?

The other complication is that there may have been only 3 votes in it, and they may have been Balls supporters continuing to vote for whoever was worst.

There's also positioning in the show, whats on elsewhere, musical choice, an awful lot of gullible voters who just vote for the Leaderboard at this stage , and a group of voters who haven't caught on and vote for whoever is at the bottom to save them. There's also a mothering vote who can't see a grown man crying like a three year old without voting for them, and a group that fall for any journey story thats thrown at them often enough - however true it is, and however, short the journey..

Precisely. There will be as many reasons as there are voters. More importantly it doesn't matter. All four were hired to perform in a show. All four turned up, worked hard, did the best performance they could and picked up their cheque. Job done!

I wonder if people get as upset when Ian Hislop loses yet again to Paul Merton on a very unfathomable marking system. Or when Alan Davies finishes last time after time in QI having been lured into traps that push his points into minus territory.

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I don't have a problem with the CLiftons, especially Jo as she seems really nice, the only thing I can see that might trigger some criticisms is Kevin getting four excellent dancers four years running

It's ridiculous that this is his 4th final.