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Janet43
12-12-2016
It's a very small number of the millions watching who post on this forum with such passion and care so much about who wins. As An Thropologist has said viewers vote for a variety of reasons and many change who they vote for each week.

Very few go to the lengths of setting up multiple accounts to try and manipulate the vote the way they want it to go, which isn't much different to accusing the judges of fixing,

There is an independent company dealing with the voting and they wouldn't dare put the BBC's reputation at risk and have a repeat of the scandal that occurred a few years ago.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who wins. They've had exposure, win a tatty glitter ball, have earned a few quid extra and have learned a skill to put on their CV. We've had a few weeks of entertainment. No-one is maimed or dies.

Bit of perspective needed.
The Swampster
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Eadfrith:
“I don't have a problem with the CLiftons, especially Jo as she seems really nice, the only thing I can see that might trigger some criticisms is Kevin getting four excellent dancers four years running”

Three of his four " excellent dancers" have been considerably older than the oldest-ever female strictly winner. I would suggest that thanks to Kevin's good teaching and sympathetic choreography (that always carefully includes "steps for Len") he reaches the final with the kind of partners Brendan would struggle to get to Blackpool. But hey, let's carry on believing it's all a massive conspiracy, shall we?
karl_kennedy
12-12-2016
the lunacy of the internet on show for all to see here......im willing to bet no-one outside this echo chamber / forum has the faintest idea that the Cliftons are actually an evil dancing dynasty out to corrupt the murky world of Saturday night light entertainment, with Kevin at the helm as its devious mastermind....
poshnosh
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“It's a very small number of the millions watching who post on this forum with such passion and care so much about who wins. As An Thropologist has said viewers vote for a variety of reasons and many change who they vote for each week.

Very few go to the lengths of setting up multiple accounts to try and manipulate the vote the way they want it to go, which isn't much different to accusing the judges of fixing,

There is an independent company dealing with the voting and they wouldn't dare put the BBC's reputation at risk and have a repeat of the scandal that occurred a few years ago.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who wins. They've had exposure, win a tatty glitter ball, have earned a few quid extra and have learned a skill to put on their CV. We've had a few weeks of entertainment. No-one is maimed or dies.

Bit of perspective needed.”

Quite right, but we all love a conspiracy theory as it brightens up a dull day.
blueabu
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“It's not surprising when some of his supporters have numerous free voting accounts.”

other supporters do too. I have 30 and use them for Louise!
collaw
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“You do know that Argentine Tango is not meant to be danced in traditional ballroom hold?”

I think they don't
Janet43
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“Quite right, but we all love a conspiracy theory as it brightens up a dull day.”

I only like conspiracy theories if they're about something positive, not constant carping about what some think they can see.
blueabu
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“Quite right, but we all love a conspiracy theory as it brightens up a dull day.”

Do agree but I already had the multiple accounts so use them

People on here just don't want to believe that at this stage it has nothing to do with the quality of the dance or the judges comments.

It is a popularity contest. Looking at those posting on here Danny could forget all the steps and walk of half way thru and his supporters would still vote for him!! Probably applies to Louise too
shrinkingviolet
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueabu:
“Do agree but I already had the multiple accounts so use them

People on here just don't want to believe that at this stage it has nothing to do with the quality of the dance or the judges comments.

It is a popularity contest. Looking at those posting on here Danny could forget all the steps and walk of half way thru and his supporters would still vote for him!! Probably applies to Louise too”

But that would be fine to the same people decrying Ore getting to the final because they didn't like his AT (which was good whether they can admit it to themselves or not.) Ah, the internet...it's never a fix or unfair if it's about your fave, I suppose.
philltee
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueabu:
“Do agree but I already had the multiple accounts so use them

People on here just don't want to believe that at this stage it has nothing to do with the quality of the dance or the judges comments.

It is a popularity contest. Looking at those posting on here Danny could forget all the steps and walk of half way thru and his supporters would still vote for him!! Probably applies to Louise too”

I really don't agree. Danny has gained support from providing us with some of the best dances ever seen on Strictly. Louise has gained support DESPITE providing us with one drab routine after another - not a single dance has been stand-out.

I was shocked on Saturday to see Claudia in the dance-off, her dancing has gone from strength to strength, whereas Louise has remained at best a constancy of average standard. In fact, se looked like a Mum dancing around her kitchen on Saturday for her second dance, it was shameful to see that level of dancing at this stage in the competition.

I don't know what kind of people are voting for Louise, but it just goes to show how varied our tastes are...some people actually enjoy watching paint dry!
sydrob
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by karl_kennedy:
“the lunacy of the internet on show for all to see here......im willing to bet no-one outside this echo chamber / forum has the faintest idea that the Cliftons are actually an evil dancing dynasty out to corrupt the murky world of Saturday night light entertainment, with Kevin at the helm as its devious mastermind....”

I know I went to a Christmas bash yesterday and met people who actually liked Kevin and, even more surprsingly shared my view that Joanne is absolutely lovely!! I was shocked.....truly shocked. And...wait for this cos you all will be amazed...nearly all of them were supporting Ore!!!!
Ann_Dancer
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by sydrob:
“I know I went to a Christmas bash yesterday and met people who actually liked Kevin and, even more surprsingly shared my view that Joanne is absolutely lovely!! I was shocked.....truly shocked. And...wait for this cos you all will be amazed...nearly all of them were supporting Ore!!!!”

People on my Facebook timeline are either supporting Louise (they see her as a lovely lady who has danced well up to now and has just had a not so good week) or Ore (they see him as the journey candidate and as an exciting dancer). So I'm in the minority, having voted for Claudia in the semi final and likely to vote for Danny in the final.

The result was down to the public innocently choosing their favourite rather than any sinister goings on. It is also likely that Ore has picked up some of the 'journey' voters since some people on my timeline are former supporters of Judge Rinder.
jiroos
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“It was fixed to be this way. The shocking marking last night is partly to blame but so is the Clifton bias. A good couple is going to be going home in the place of somebody who has been in the DO twice and made a major cock-up last night. It's a disgrace.”

You mean the same "good couple" who's celebrity had several balance issues and made extensive use of her 'day job' throughout the competition'; who's choreographer is clearly too young, inexperienced and excitable to choreograph to his celeb's strengths, opting instead for ridiculous music speeds and crazy tricks?

They largely swerved the DO regardless and, on the one week they deservedly landed in it, they went through at the expense of a far superior performance??

THAT
'good couple'...???
katmobile
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Doesn't that happen every year with all the celebs? I think it is wrong, but don't see why Ore would be suspected to benefit more.

I voted Claudia using my one account and so have no bias in favour of Ore.

(And I would have picked Claudia in the dance off, but hey ho....)”

Nor me and it hasn't saved him from being in the DO twice. Methinks it's nothing more than Louise supporters voting for her because she was obviously in danger whereas Danny wasn't. He'll probably still win because his supporters will be voting in droves in the final and he's much more likely to pick up the floating X-Factor voters that I think come in after that series finishes just for the final than anyone else - the young audience there aren't going to give a monkey's about Louise or Ore.
Tiggywink
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“Handed to him on a plate ...courtesy of Darcey and her sidekicks. How did she keep a straight face saying she couldn't believe Danny was in the DO!!”

Darcy is turning out to be false. Says one thing, marks another. Harping on and harping on about Claudia and AJ's lack of connection. FGS, they're just kids, why did she keep penalising them for something they can do nothing about. The height difference may even have had something to do with it, how can you stare into somebody's eyes when they're a foot taller than you?
sarasarasara
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“People on my Facebook timeline are either supporting Louise (they see her as a lovely lady who has danced well up to now and has just had a not so good week) or Ore (they see him as the journey candidate and as an exciting dancer). So I'm in the minority, having voted for Claudia in the semi final and likely to vote for Danny in the final.

The result was down to the public innocently choosing their favourite rather than any sinister goings on. It is also likely that Ore has picked up some of the 'journey' voters since some people on my timeline are former supporters of Judge Rinder.”

I voted Rob, and Greg when he was in before Rob, nothing to do with the journey though, I just enjoyed watching them. I voted for Ore this time round as I do enjoy watching him and Joanne sometimes depending on their dance choice given, I prefer Ore and Joanne in the Ballroom dances.

I wasn't overly bothered since my favourites went who made the final really, but now we have the finalists, I think I would like Danny to win and Ore 2nd placed, and that is why although it probably won't make much sense but just my way of reasoning, I used my free votes for Ore rather than Danny as Danny would have been safe against any of the other three in my opinion so could afford to fall into the dance off.
bettyboom43
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dis_A_aster:
“Did Ore do more than a couple of flicks or kicks in the AT, He caught Joanne most of the time.
How did he get 10's for that .??????????”

he didn't do one flick or kick or any intricate foot work, and as a male dancer doing the AT that is where he can come into his own as generally they just posture and pose and show off the female, That was the most blatant overmarking of the series and there has been a lot!
Tiggywink
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“he didn't do one flick or kick or any intricate foot work, and as a male dancer doing the AT that is where he can come into his own as generally they just posture and pose and show off the female, That was the most blatant overmarking of the series and there has been a lot!”

Absolutely and that's what so heartbreaking that Claudia after one of the best QS on the show should go out.
vald
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“he didn't do one flick or kick or any intricate foot work, and as a male dancer doing the AT that is where he can come into his own as generally they just posture and pose and show off the female, That was the most blatant overmarking of the series and there has been a lot!”

That's down to the choreographer. From what I could judge he did exactly what he was asked to do and did it well.
JukeJive
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by philltee:
“I really don't agree. Danny has gained support from providing us with some of the best dances ever seen on Strictly. Louise has gained support DESPITE providing us with one drab routine after another - not a single dance has been stand-out.

I was shocked on Saturday to see Claudia in the dance-off, her dancing has gone from strength to strength, whereas Louise has remained at best a constancy of average standard. In fact, se looked like a Mum dancing around her kitchen on Saturday for her second dance, it was shameful to see that level of dancing at this stage in the competition.

I don't know what kind of people are voting for Louise, but it just goes to show how varied our tastes are...some people actually enjoy watching paint dry!”

Shameful? Have you NOT watched Strictly before? Dear God, the amount of celebrities I could name who have got to the Semi's since 2004 could keep me writing this post for far too long.

I'm the "kind of person" who votes for Louise and I do not enjoy watching paint dry. I don't consider Louise to be of an average standard at all. I've truly enjoyed her dances every week with one exception, the Rumba. I don't find her "beige" at all. I think she's lovely and she makes me smile when she dances.
Gerry_Sheldon
12-12-2016
Mind you if you think about it logically Kevin, being the shortest arsed pro dancer, should have automatically been paired with Claudia.

For some reason it is difficult to find out the heights of various pro dancers although http://www.starsheight.com seem to claim knowledge of the heights of most of the Strictly pros and they put Kevin at 5'4" as opposed to AJ's 5'9". This means the height differential between Claudia and AJ is a ridiculous 14" which would shrink to a much more tolerable 9" with Kevin.

Just because their ages are closer doesn't mean that Claudia and AJ are the most suited from the point of view of the show and it would have meant that Kevin would have been able to ditch his elevator dance shoes for a change
GabeRich
12-12-2016
If only they let the public see the votes cast it might help clear away this conspiracy theory. A lot of people cling to the public vote argument, saying its perfect and objective and couldn't possibly be fixed because, well, its a public vote right? Um, aren't elections fixed sometimes? Isn't this way less important but way easier for the BBC to fix if they wanted to? Lets be honest, its a business and the Beeb will put into the final those they feel will get the best ratings on the night.

Now, as for Saturday's DO, I did feel they put Danny in there deliberately because anyone up against him would have probably been sent home ... well, other than Ore who was getting all the love and attention from Tess and Claudia on Saturday it seemed. Poor Claudia knew the second she was called for the DO she was out. She is young and hasn't learnt to school her expressions quite yet and she looked annoyed, sad and a little resigned. The thing is, despite being a Danny fan, I do think his DO was worse than the original on Saturday.

Considering Ore's very weak AT and Louise's weak Samba they really should of been in the bottom two if we're talking simple dance technique, but I think the show pushing Ore's parents on us constantly and the fact he 'has no previous dance experience' also pushed on us over and over all night may have just pulled his votes up enough to beat Danny.
An Thropologist
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by GabeRich;84872724[B:
“]If only they let the public see the votes cast it might help clear away this conspiracy theory. A lot of people cling to the public vote argument, saying its perfect and objective and couldn't possibly be fixed because, well, its a public vote right? Um, aren't elections fixed sometimes? Isn't this way less important but way easier for the BBC to fix if they wanted to? Lets be honest, its a business and the Beeb will put into the final those they feel will get the best ratings on the night.
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Now, as for Saturday's DO, I did feel they put Danny in there deliberately because anyone up against him would have probably been sent home ... well, other than Ore who was getting all the love and attention from Tess and Claudia on Saturday it seemed. Poor Claudia knew the second she was called for the DO she was out. She is young and hasn't learnt to school her expressions quite yet and she looked annoyed, sad and a little resigned. The thing is, despite being a Danny fan, I do think his DO was worse than the original on Saturday.

Considering Ore's very weak AT and Louise's weak Samba they really should of been in the bottom two if we're talking simple dance technique, but I think the show pushing Ore's parents on us constantly and the fact he 'has no previous dance experience' also pushed on us over and over all night may have just pulled his votes up enough to beat Danny.”

I don't feel this argument hangs together. You appear to be saying that the BBC fixed the vote so as to overturn the majority voting for Claudia in favour of the less popular contestants, in terms of the votes cast, Ore/Louise. And they did this in order to put into the final the two people who were likely to deliver the best ratings.

The rhetoric is illogical. Why would the two least popular contestants with the public deliver higher ratings than the two the public liked most? Why would you swop two popular people according to the public vote for two the public didn't like enough to vote for, in pursuit of ratings? How does the BBC benefit from that?. And why would they risk their international reputation for impartiality, on which the brand absolutely depends, their licence and a massive fine unless there is a substantial pay back to motivate such corruption.
The Swampster
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gerry_Sheldon:
“Mind you if you think about it logically Kevin, being the shortest arsed pro dancer, should have automatically been paired with Claudia.

For some reason it is difficult to find out the heights of various pro dancers although http://www.starsheight.com seem to claim knowledge of the heights of most of the Strictly pros and they put Kevin at 5'4" as opposed to AJ's 5'9". This means the height differential between Claudia and AJ is a ridiculous 14" which would shrink to a much more tolerable 9" with Kevin.

Just because their ages are closer doesn't mean that Claudia and AJ are the most suited from the point of view of the show and it would have meant that Kevin would have been able to ditch his elevator dance shoes for a change”

Dear God, can you imagine the outcry if that had happened? Pairing the hated Kevin Clifton with a partner who was not only very young, but an Olympic athlete who specialises in performing extremely difficult and demanding athletic moves to music? If Kevin gets partnered with a middle-aged presenter or a middle-aged former pop singer who turns out not to be rubbish there's an outcry. If Kevin's next partner isn't at least sixty and 30 stone, there'll be a meltdown on this forum. Please be reasonable!
The Swampster
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I don't feel this argument hangs together. You appear to be saying that the BBC fixed the vote so as to overturn the majority voting for Claudia in favour of the less popular contestants, in terms of the votes cast, Ore/Louise. And they did this in order to put into the final the two people who were likely to deliver the best ratings.

The rhetoric is illogical. Why would the two least popular contestants with the public deliver higher ratings than the two the public liked most? Why would you swop two popular people according to the public vote for two the public didn't like enough to vote for, in pursuit of ratings? How does the BBC benefit from that?. And why would they risk their international reputation for impartiality, on which the brand absolutely depends, their licence and a massive fine unless there is a substantial pay back to motivate such corruption.”

Oh dear. Now you're applying logic. That's just not fair.
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