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Baz_James
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Seconded!

There seems to be disbelief that [1] Louise must have topped the public vote at the weekend; [2] Claudia couldn't galvanise sufficient number of the pubic to vote for her; and [3] Danny isn't as popular as many seem to think he should be. Yet they are obvious for all to see.”

Actually Louise could have come second in the vote and still avoided the dance-off so there's no need to believe that she won it. Claudia clearly would have needed to win the vote to avoid the dance-off so it's not at all difficult to understand why she didn't. And given the consistent charge of being a ringer (justified or not) it's not at all surprising that Danny did not beat Louise in the vote and may well have also come behind Ore. All in all. I think this is actually one of the most predictable final groupings in years so what everybody's up in arms about is simply beyond my ken.
Monkseal
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Actually Louise could have come second in the vote and still avoided the dance-off so there's no need to believe that she won it. Claudia clearly would have needed to win the vote to avoid the dance-off so it's not at all difficult to understand why she didn't. And given the consistent charge of being a ringer (justified or not) it's not at all surprising that Danny did not beat Louise in the vote and may well have also come behind Ore. All in all. I think this is actually one of the most predictable final groupings in years so what everybody's up in arms about is simply beyond my ken.”

He definitely became below him in the vote - he was only one place below him on the leaderboard so if he'd beaten him in the public vote, Ore would have been in the dance-off either instead of him or as well as him.
Rhumbatugger
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“He definitely became below him in the vote - he was only one place below him on the leaderboard so if he'd beaten him in the public vote, Ore would have been in the dance-off either instead of him or as well as him.”

Thanks for this Monkseal. And to others who figure out the odds.

Boggles my brain.

So Ore MUST have beaten Danny in the vote.

Fantastic.
primer
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Tango2Fandango:
“As a long time lurker of this forum I have been shocked by the vitriol that has been vented on here over the last few weeks and in particular over the last 24 hours.

I have a few thoughts (edited for brevity)

My five year olds would be horrified by the behaviour of some on these boards over the last few weeks.
”

i don't mind people behaving like 5 year olds, they are some of the most charming people i've ever met, and letting off a bit of nursery silly-billiness is an outlet for some. not counting me of course.

its the perverse, cruel, paranoid, suspicious, unhealthy, vitriolic and self serving that i find more worrying, the poison pen letter writer let lose and proud by anonymity, without any apparent insight.
yenston
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by shrinkingviolet:
“So because the voting figures don't match what you think they should be, some sort of shenanigans must have happened? Why is it so hard to believe that Ore & Louise scored more public votes than Danny & Claudia?”

My thoughts weren't just random about this. They weren't based on what I thought they should be but what I thought they would be. They were based on several things- previous voting patterns, online support and having watched every single series. Also having a fairly good grasp on how things usually play out. We're really expected to believe that the least popular celeb polled either the highest or second highest public vote? No, doesn't wash I'm afraid.
Rhumbatugger
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yenston:
“My thoughts weren't just random about this. They were based on previous voting patterns, online support and having watched every single series and also having a fairly good grasp on how things usually play out. We're really expected to believe that the least popular celeb polled either the highest or second highest public vote? No, doesn't wash I'm afraid.”

So to be clear, you are actually accusing the independent company of 'fixing' the votes?
vald
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yenston:
“My thoughts weren't just random about this. They were based on previous voting patterns, online support and having watched every single series and also having a fairly good grasp on how things usually play out. We're really expected to believe that the least popular celeb polled either the highest or second highest public vote? No, doesn't wash I'm afraid.”

Least popular where. I'm sure YouGov poll had Claudia bellow Ore as least popular.
Servalan
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yenston:
“My thoughts weren't just random about this. They were based on previous voting patterns, online support and having watched every single series and also having a fairly good grasp on how things usually play out. We're really expected to believe that the least popular celeb polled either the highest or second highest public vote? No, doesn't wash I'm afraid.”

How do you know Ore is the least popular celeb? How do you know what the voting patterns are?

You can't possibly answer those questions with anything other than speculation - and Monkseal is right.

The fact is we have no idea how popular/unpopular Danny has been. There's just an assumption that he must have the public vote, but when he's topped the leader board so often, maybe that's not the case. Indeed, what if the judges have been over marking Danny in previous weeks to protect him?

Just saying …
yenston
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“So to be clear, you are actually accusing the independent company of 'fixing' the votes?”

Yes! By the way, what's the name of the independent company?
Monkseal
12-12-2016
Claudia already lost to Ore once, at Blackpool. She's also now lost to Louise (twice), Ed, and Judge Rinder. Why her fans are still trying to present her as some sort of public vote juggernaut that got denied by a sliver, just because they personally got overexcited by a half-decent Argentine Tango, is beyond me.
yenston
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“How do you know Ore is the least popular celeb? How do you know what the voting patterns are?

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From online polls. From what people are saying on social media. DS is a pretty good guide for who is most and least popular. It's not hard to hazard a guess at the voting patterns from previous results.
Rhumbatugger
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yenston:
“Yes! By the way, what's the name of the independent company?”

Gor blimey guvnor, why on earth would they risk prosecution for a bloody TV SHOW

I'll get me tin hat.
yenston
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by vald:
“Least popular where. I'm sure YouGov poll had Claudia bellow Ore as least popular.”

Yougov?! Excuse me while I laugh myself silly over that one!! Ha!
yenston
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Gor blimey guvnor, why on earth would they risk prosecution for a bloody TV SHOW

I'll get me tin hat.”

How are they ever going to be prosecuted when they don't reveal their figures?
Monkseal
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yenston:
“From online polls. From what people are saying on social media. DS is a pretty good guide for who is most and least popular. It's not hard to hazard a guess at the voting patterns from previous results.”

I guess that's why Saara just won The X Factor by a gazillion miles and Martin just won I'm A Celebrity.

This forum is a backwater, and the more it bogs itself down in things like Cliftonphobia, the more it stagnates.
Servalan
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yenston:
“From online polls. From what people are saying on social media. DS is a pretty good guide for who is most and least popular. It's not hard to hazard a guess at the voting patterns from previous results.”

Online polls and voting patterns mean nothing. They can contradict one another. And DS is a tiny microcosm of the SCD audience.

You can hazard all the guesses you like - but it won't get you anywhere other than even more annoyed.
yenston
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“I guess that's why Saara just won The X Factor by a gazillion miles and Martin just won I'm A Celebrity.

This forum is a backwater.”

I wouldn't know about the common ITV shows! It's always been a pretty good guide for Strictly.
primer
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“I guess that's why Saara just won The X Factor by a gazillion miles and Martin just won I'm A Celebrity.

This forum is a backwater.”

its more of a lawless hillbilly backwoods sort of place
MaggieMcGee
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yenston:
“From online polls. From what people are saying on social media. DS is a pretty good guide for who is most and least popular. It's not hard to hazard a guess at the voting patterns from previous results.”

I don't think it is.
wicks
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“So why was Anita Rani who did tour eliminated in the semi by Katie Derham who did not? Would they not have been 'stuffed' if Katie had won it by your weird theory?”

Exactly. And they clearly weren't trying to engineer Kellie out at that point either - and she wasn't doing the tour either. It's total nonsense
Christopher D
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“I guess that's why Saara just won The X Factor by a gazillion miles and Martin just won I'm A Celebrity.

This forum is a backwater, and the more it bogs itself down in things like Cliftonphobia, the more it stagnates.”

Great post agree. The forum is a small drop in the ocean compared to the numbers who watch the show and vote
wicks
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Claudia already lost to Ore once, at Blackpool. She's also now lost to Louise (twice), Ed, and Judge Rinder. Why her fans are still trying to present her as some sort of public vote juggernaut that got denied by a sliver, just because they personally got overexcited by a half-decent Argentine Tango, is beyond me.”

Quite. And that's just the weeks that we know of!

I find Louise's vote the interesting one

I still think Danny will win it though
MaggieMcGee
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by primer:
“its more of a lawless hillbilly backwoods sort of place”

Like 'Deliverance'?
aggs
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by robbleona:
“The marking on another day could have put Claudia top, danny second, and louise/ore equal third. The jooodges would have got away with that just as easily as Saturday's fiasco. That way round Claudia would have walked through.
The public vote this week could have been 1.Louise 2.Claudia3.Ore and 4.Danny.
That would have still put Claudia in the DO ...
thats how they wanted it though, sadly...”

To be fair, if the judges order was changed then the public vote might be too. Just because the public voted one way for a specific leaderboard doesn't mean they would vote the same way for a different one.
wicks
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by yenston:
“From online polls. From what people are saying on social media. DS is a pretty good guide for who is most and least popular. It's not hard to hazard a guess at the voting patterns from previous results.”

I can tell you quite categorically that the vote will have been verified independently and that it is totally above board!

The judges may well have their own subjective favourites or preferences but I doubt very much that there is any overall conspiracy and there's not a chance that the vote was messed with.

I understand why some people might be disappointed that Claudia went out or that Danny was in the dance off but some of these theories are nonsense
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