No, you need to "get real" and read how it (already) works

Both the link I gave you and the one from sangreal referred to super chargers not 13 amp plugs

Can we have superchargers at home? Let's face it, most people will want the convenience.

Not with the domestic supply at the moment but with charging even now you could charge over night or provide enough charge for local journeys. You could get most of the charge needed overnight for longer.

I would however expect things to change in the next 25 years between any ban on new petrol cars starting and the last petrol car gasping it's last.

So has anyone addressed this since I brought it up back on page 8? It's just that properties unlike this are, you know, to be found in abundance all over the bloody country...

I'm sure you could probably pay to get one installed....

But it's a bit like someone in 1895 saying can I get a petrol pump installed in my garden so I don't need to keep going to those damn newfangled gas stations every day.

Chances are that by 2025-30 there'll be hundreds of thousands of EVs on the roads and supercharging stations everywhere, where you can get an 80% top up in seconds or a full charge in minutes which will suffice for 500 miles or more (certainly possible if they're already expecting up to 400 miles with 15 mins of charging by next year).

Maybe slower home chargers will be more for the novelty or emergencies by then, or just for keeping topped up overnight whilst idling?




I'm pretty sure there's already various solutions available
http://www.rolecserv.com/ev-charging
https://chargemasterplc.com
http://www.evchargingsolutions.co.uk
http://www.charging-solutions.com
http://www.elmev.co.uk
https://www.chargedev.co.uk
https://thephoenixworks.com/ev-charging/
http://www.schneider-electric.co.uk/...l-car-charging
http://www.ecolane.co.uk/wp-content/...-solutions.pdf

etc.


@Pemblechook

Quote from that last link (pdf)

"There are three main EV charging speeds: ‘Slow’ or ‘normal’ charging (up to 3kW) which is best suited for 6-8 hours overnight; ‘fast’ charging (7-22kW) which can fully recharge some models in 3-4 hours; and ‘rapid’ charging units (43-50kW) which are able to provide an 80% charge in around 30 minutes. Rapid chargers also come in two charge point types – AC and DC – depending on whether they use alternating current or direct current.

Slow charging
was initially the most common method of charging electric vehicles. In most cases a standard single-phase 13A supply is used to draw up to 3kW of power – with a full charge typically taking 6 to 8 hours. While the first wave of publicly accessible on-street chargers were of this type, these are now being replaced by fast and rapid units.

Fast charging
reduces EV charge times to around half that of a slow charge by more than doubling the available current to 32A (7kW) – the time for a full charge typically taking 3 to 4 hours. Most commercial and many public on-street chargers already use this technology. It is likely that this charge rate will become increasingly used to replace public slow charging points across the UK.

Rapid chargers
provide a high power alternating current (AC) or direct current (DC) supply with power of at least 43kW (AC) or 50kW (DC). At this level of power, an electric vehicle can typically be charged to 80% in less than half an hour.
The most common type of rapid charging unit, rapid DC chargers are equipped with a tethered cable with a non-removable connector which is coupled with an appropriate inlet socket which is fitted to some but certainly not all EV models. Rapid DC chargers are fitted with either a JEVS (CHAdeMO) or a 9-pin CCS (Combo) connector."


And as referenced in a previous post, Porsche's Mission E model coming next year will be able to do 240 miles from 15 minutes of supercharging. Other (more affordable) models will obviously follow suit. By 2025-2030, they're aiming to get it down to a matter of seconds for 80% charge, and minutes (the same time it takes to fill a tank) for full charge.

Yes, I posted a map of on street charging points that are in London today.

We now do most of our journeys electrically. I love driving electric vehicles now personally. Forcing people to use electric cars still has substantial problems though. Those without off-road parking will find home charging difficult or often impossible.

The things that people often worry about ahead of trying electric, like charge time, don't, in our experience, end up being the problem. Instead charging facilities while great in parts of London are poor in most parts of most cities and atrocious across the country generally. There are too many types of plug and too many charging systems let alone the number of competing suppliers none of which are prepared to simply sell the fuel like petrol - they all require a subscription. Forcing the market in one way - making petrol and diesel illegal - will not be fare on the consumer unless balanced by some control of the market in others such as ensuring widespread available reasonably priced charging points without unfair contracts and lock-ins.

Batteries have been steadily getting better. My gut feeling is that when their performance doubles from now then there will be no sense in a car that is not at least a hybrid. The thing being that electric has torque at zero revs which makes a clutch look prehistoric. Petrol cars will lose first gear (and likely second) and gain a motor instead. Maintenance costs reduce as there is no clutch wear and much less brake wear although battery replacement costs are still an issue of course. When batteries quadruple their current performance then the internal combustion engine is dead. Those two steps will take about ten years each by my guess so saying we will ban petrol cars by 2037 is more-or-less not policy-making at all.

You have to wonder just how the national grid will cope if everyone goes electric. I mean to say that plainly it wouldn't. What would be good in policy terms would be laying the groundwork to support the electric revolution. Building the infrastructure - and that is not necessarily upgrading the grid.

As has been said above - the only reason home charging is even an issue is because of the charge time. Bring that down and most people will go to the local station - just as we do know.


That is relatively easy to deal with, but it will require a policy change. You could as I suggested earlier in the thread that you stipulate solar power to be integrated into new builds. Do that for your charging stations. Solar Panels can provide 50% of the energy requirements for a domestic property - so do that and you reduce the demand on the grid.

I doubt whether, pound for pound, panels attached to charging stations would contribute that much - remember that the average domestic property can have a roof-full of panels. Having said that, every little bit helps I suppose.

We're going round in circles again - debating points that have already been covered/addressed.

Tesla, BMW & other supercharger stations are already solar-pv powered.
They don't use/require the national grid.
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesla...worldwide.html

The latest Solar PV technology doesn't even require direct hot sunny weather, can convert daylight into energy, store it for overnight usage and even send any unused energy to the national grid.

The Ecotricity UK network of superchargers are powered by green energy (solar, wind, etc)
https://www.ecotricity.co.uk/for-the...ectric-highway

Welcome to the future

Maybe we'll eventually catch up with the likes of Route 66
http://phys.org/news/2016-07-route-g...ar-panels.html

Route 66 didn't exist from 1985 - nearly 15 years after Hubbert's prediction of peak oil

Not only is Corbyn unelectable, he's doing a terrific job of helping to increase the UKIP vote. Keep it up Jeremy!

A news item of some relevance:


https://www.theguardian.com/business...cy-brexit-vote

Yeah, sad. I guess that's going to affect all imports at some point due to the falling value of the pound

Including oil.

No, not for me. Fast charging isn't great for the current generation of batteries as you know. The present technique is to share the pain so that some cells are given a rest at each rapid charge which is why fast charging does not attempt to load all cells and hence why it is not used to replenish 100% of what could be stored. Nope; the reason I home charge is because it is:
a. much cheaper
b. free, on a good day when the micro-generation is running
c. kinder to the batteries

That is from the point-of-view of having the option to home charge though and my own source of power. For people that haven't, then the cost difference would seem less important. The time is irrelevant for me as I don't use the car during most of the 24 hours of a day so it might as well be charging slowly.


I am sure it is possible to deal with. Describing it as easy might be an overstatement though. Solar would not provide 50% of our consumption because there is just too little sun during the late evening and night which is when our usage is highest. Local storage would help but with battery packs for the car alone costing as much as another (petrol-powered) car having to replace them in the vehicles every few years and then replace them on the house as well, the costs have to change significantly for this to become something a socialist premier should really be worrying about.