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Corbyn's latest policy announcement to ensure Labour is unelectable - Ban petrol cars
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OLD HIPPY GUY
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Maggie 55:
“Well it is a policy that plays well in his fiefdom of London, where the average car ownership is 0.2 per family because of the great public transport links and the relatively short journeys, etc.

Of course Corbyn sees nothing beyond this.

In the North, Labours other heartland, car ownership is 1.2 per family because they cannot rely on public transport and they have much farther to travel per journey.

Who is surprised by what is driving his ideology?




Maggie”

It's not a policy//
jmclaugh
12-12-2016
Nothing inherently wrong with the idea provided manufacturers can come up with vehicles to replace petrol ones at a similar cost and a reasonable range between charges. Currently they are much more expensive and the government offers a £4.5k plug-in grant to promote their use.
CELT1987
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“Road tax can be adjusted and fuel duty could easily be transferred to electric.”

Electric cars wouldn't have fuel duty.
paulschapman
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“You forget that currently cars are a huge cash cow for the Government. Take away road tax and diesel and petrol costs, where do you think the money will come from to replace it?”

That is in the nature of technological disruption - old solutions do not work. What do you think is going to happen to road tax, if people are not buying cars? The cost will be borne by the car blubs and networks.

There are already significant moves to ban Diesel with some cities banning the cars completely.

And Petrol - it is going to run out and also we are reliant upon regimes such as Saudi Arabia and the likes of OPEC reducing supply because they cannot afford the latest super-car!
jjwales
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Electric cars wouldn't have fuel duty.”

Pedantry? They could have some kind of tax to replace fuel duty.
jmclaugh
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Pedantry? They could have some kind of tax to replace fuel duty.”

Yep, the loss of fuel duty revenue from motorists could be recouped in other ways. The main issue with this idea is it to ensure it doesn't turn into taxpayers funding it.
CELT1987
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Yep, the loss of fuel duty revenue from motorists could be recouped in other ways. The main issue with this idea is it to ensure it doesn't turn into taxpayers funding it.”

Which will probably happen. Electric car owners won't be happy to pay tax on their green vehicle.
smudges dad
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“You forget that currently cars are a huge cash cow for the Government. Take away road tax and diesel and petrol costs, where do you think the money will come from to replace it?”

We seem to have managed without the window tax, radio licence and dog licence.
andykn
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7466301.html

Corbyn ensuring the deeply unpopular Tory party will win by a landslide in 2020.”

Why did you omit the crucial "sales" word from the newspaper's headline in favour of your own flowery editorialising?
jjwales
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by andykn:
“Why did you omit the crucial "sales" word from the newspaper's headline in favour of your own flowery editorialising?”

Indeed. And the headline was actually "Jeremy Corbyn considering radical plan to ban petrol car sales". It's not a policy announcement.
andykn
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Indeed. And the headline was actually "Jeremy Corbyn considering radical plan to ban petrol car sales". It's not a policy announcement.”

These people must be terrified of him.
dave666
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“We seem to have managed without the window tax, radio licence and dog licence.”

Maybe I am too young to remember. When was the window tax a thing
grassmarket
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Nothing inherently wrong with the idea provided manufacturers can come up with vehicles to replace petrol ones at a similar cost and a reasonable range between charges. .”

Alternatively, manufacturers could just supply everyone in Britain with magical winged unicorns to ride around on. That would be just as likely
grassmarket
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by dave666:
“Maybe I am too young to remember. When was the window tax a thing”

Napoleonic Wars.
dave666
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by grassmarket:
“Napoleonic Wars.”

Thanks I had no idea it was even a thing
grassmarket
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by dave666:
“Thanks I had no idea it was even a thing”

The rational behind it was that it was very easy to assess everyone's liability. Here in Edinburgh we still have lots of old buildings where windows have simply been bricked up to reduce the amount paid in tax.
dave666
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by grassmarket:
“The rational behind it was that it was very easy to assess everyone's liability. Here in Edinburgh we still have lots of old buildings where windows have simply been bricked up to reduce the amount paid in tax.”

I will take notice when I am in the town centre there are some old buildings in the area
Aristaeus
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Indeed. And the headline was actually "Jeremy Corbyn considering radical plan to ban petrol car sales". It's not a policy announcement.”

And the correct headline would by "Jeremy Corbyn follows Scandinavian lead by considering radical plans to ban sales of new petrol cars by 2025".
Aristaeus
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by grassmarket:
“Alternatively, manufacturers could just supply everyone in Britain with magical winged unicorns to ride around on. That would be just as likely”

Winged unicorns are just as likely as hybrid cars? Err... okay.
Pumping Iron
12-12-2016
If he could reduce the price significantly on cars that do 400+ miles on a single charge and that can charge almost instantly, I'd be in full support of the ban.
David_Flett1
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Electric cars wouldn't have fuel duty.”

I think it was obvious that the tax attributed to fuel duty could be transferred to Electric cars.
OLD HIPPY GUY
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by andykn:
“These people must be terrified of him.”

But on the other hand is this thread itself not a classic text book example of the way some people react like Pavlov's dog hearing the dinner bell every time they hear Corbyn's name?

The sheer hysteria displayed overy nothing more than an intentionally (?) misleading thread title says so much.

If anyone bothered to actually click the link and read both the headline and (God forbid) the article, they would see that it's NOT a policy and it does not propose a "ban" on petrol cars at all, but a gradual phasing out of them being manufactured as and when new technology makes it possible

it proposes a period of ten years of gradually phasing out the manufacture of petrol cars from the date at which it becomes law, (which itself could be more than ten years away) nowhere does it say that petrol cars which are already made would be banned from the roads.

Of course the Pavlov's dogs also fail to acknowledge the other great green ideas in the article, none of them are policies, they are simply ideas (bloody good one's in my view but then...)

I am however pleased to see some of the names usually to be seen attacking Corbyn, admitting, albeit reluctantly, that, A/ the thread title is misleading, and B/ these ideas are quite reasonable,

I would ask them in view of this to perhaps try to look beyond the hyperbole and knee jerk Pavlovian response every single time JC gets mentioned and to actually give what he says a bit of unprejudiced thought, who knows they may occasionally agree with him?
Annsyre
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aristaeus:
“And the correct headline would by "Jeremy Corbyn follows Scandinavian lead by considering radical plans to ban sales of new petrol cars by 2025".”

Why is he wasting his time considering banning anything? He will never be elected as PM.
Annsyre
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pumping Iron:
“If he could reduce the price significantly on cars that do 400+ miles on a single charge and that can charge almost instantly, I'd be in full support of the ban.”

It's taken years to fail to provide nationwide broadband to one and all so how long would it take to install power points all over the country?
andykn
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aristaeus:
“And the correct headline would by "Jeremy Corbyn follows Scandinavian lead by considering radical plans to ban sales of new petrol cars by 2025".”

2030 is far more likely, ten years after introduction so unless we have an early GE, 2020 is the earliest the legislation would be brought in.
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