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Results:Was Claudia screwed over by TPTB?
Yes
175 (61.84%)
No
108 (38.16%)
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Did Claudia ever stand a chance this weekend?
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David Wright
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“The issue for me was the over marking of Ore. My scores put Ore and Louise in the bottom 2. After the public vote Louise would have been saved. So it would have been either Claudia with her QS vs Ore AT or Danny with his AS vs Ore AT. Ore would have gone.”

I think Claudia would still have gone if the dance off had been her and Ore - The judges would have had to continue to justify their scores for Ore.

Now a Danny/Ore dance off would have been extraordinarily difficult for the judges - The contortions that would've caused...
Aurora13
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“I think Claudia would still have gone if the dance off had been her and Ore - The judges would have had to continue to justify their scores of Ore.

Now a Danny/Ore dance off would have been extraordinarily difficult for the judges - The contortions that would've caused...”

I was talking about if Ore had been scored 'appropriately'. I scored him 9 for QS and 8 for AT. The only 10 I gave was Claudia QS.

Danny was safe with the judges whatever. The contortions last night were about Ore getting to final.
robbleona
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“The issue for me was the over marking of Ore. My scores put Ore and Louise in the bottom 2. After the public vote Louise would have been saved. So it would have been either Claudia with her QS vs Ore AT or Danny with his AS vs Ore AT. Ore would have gone.”

Bar a couple of decent postures there was nothing in his AT to merit the marks he got.
Put it this way...the 'judges' could have just as easily put claudia at the top with tens galore (Crap Level Horwood said she was worth a ten tonight.....a bit LATE craig, 6 weeks too late). Had claudia been top and ore been slaughtered for his AT and placed bottom......what chance would HE have had in the public vote then? None.

So yeah, claudia was shafted last night by judges who over the past 3 weeks have made it clear who they wanted in the final...the 3 that are there.
robbleona
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“I think Claudia would still have gone if the dance off had been her and Ore - The judges would have had to continue to justify their scores for Ore.

Now a Danny/Ore dance off would have been extraordinarily difficult for the judges - The contortions that would've caused...”

1. Claudia would have gone in the DO against ANY of the other 3...whatever.

2. Danny wasn't meant to be in the DO.....they were seriously bothered by that.
vald
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“I was talking about if Ore had been scored 'appropriately'. I scored him 9 for QS and 8 for AT. The only 10 I gave was Claudia QS.

Danny was safe with the judges whatever. The contortions last night were about Ore getting to final.”

Claudia's QS was delightful but I wouldn't have given her more than a 7 for that rumba.
BuddyBontheNet
11-12-2016
I voted 'no' they were screwed over, even though I voted for C&A this weekend.

All that's happened is that the judges' personal favouritism was more obvious in their scores this weekend i.e. when it mattered most. For me this was mostly about Darcey and Craig's scores. Bruno was his typical self and although I thought Len's scores were mainly fair, he did seem to be kind to everyone, perhaps because it is his last series.

One point here or there was vital this week and it was all about being more picky about the faults of one performance against ignoring them in another. It always happens at this stage of the competition, but it did stick out like a sore thumb this year.
fayebeatle
11-12-2016
Against Danny any of the others would have gone home. I hate the Tess statement before the judges speak, " based on the dance- off only.." it's bollocks. Danny and Oti were fine, it's me, he leaves me a little cold. Claudia and AJ's QS was fantastic. To me she smashed it! But the judges would never be against Danny !
StellaBella05
11-12-2016
I think this result is indicative of how Claudia has been treated all season so I'm not surprised at all.

Consistently under marked compared to others especially in her AT, QS and AS and I think at the end of the day the judges just didn't seem to warm to her as much as they did with Ore and Louise (not their fault of course).

I just knew once she was in the DO she was a goner.
Annsyre
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“My contetion is that the judges wanted her out and Ore in the final before Saturdays show even started.

She could have danced two of the greatest dances in SCD history (her QS is up there with the very best SCD Quicksteps as it is) and she'd still have been undermarked and recieved the famous "it was great.... BUT..." comments because that's the way the judges and TPTB decided it would go way before anybody ever stepped foot on the dance floor.

It's the only way you can explain their undermarking for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s

And their bizarre overmarking and overpraising of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=239Q-jV9Yn8

(Even Bruno basically admitted that Ore did nothing in his AT tonight)

Whatever Claudia did it was never going to be good be good enough and she was always going to be out on her ear in the semi-final.

Yes or no?”

She was in the DO because not enough people voted for her. That simple.
priscilla
11-12-2016
Claudia would never win with the judges, especially Darcey who would pick & choose when to be picky. There were two QS danced on Saturday one deserved a 40, the other was the judges scoring on who they wanted in the final instead of the dancing.
Claudia's AT compared to Ore just shows you how bias the judges scoring is, Ore is a good dancer and fair enough he got the public vote so deserves his place but the judges scoring was not fair and for me I believe they overmarked him and undermarked Claudia. Anyway I think the only way Claudia would have reached the final is if she wasn't in the DO.
poshnosh
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“I think Claudia would still have gone if the dance off had been her and Ore - The judges would have had to continue to justify their scores for Ore.

Now a Danny/Ore dance off would have been extraordinarily difficult for the judges - The contortions that would've caused...”

Claudia would have gone whoever she was up against in the DO.
Frank Mag
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“I was talking about if Ore had been scored 'appropriately'. I scored him 9 for QS and 8 for AT. The only 10 I gave was Claudia QS.

Danny was safe with the judges whatever. The contortions last night were about Ore getting to final.”

So true.

Originally Posted by robbleona:
“Bar a couple of decent postures there was nothing in his AT to merit the marks he got.
Put it this way...the 'judges' could have just as easily put claudia at the top with tens galore (Crap Level Horwood said she was worth a ten tonight.....a bit LATE craig, 6 weeks too late). Had claudia been top and ore been slaughtered for his AT and placed bottom......what chance would HE have had in the public vote then? None.

So yeah, claudia was shafted last night by judges who over the past 3 weeks have made it clear who they wanted in the final...the 3 that are there.”

And doing the Tour
David Wright
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“She was in the DO because not enough people voted for her. That simple.”

Not quite.

Its perfectly possible that if Claudia had been above Ore on the leaderboard (as everyone thinks she should have been) then the dance off might have been Ore/Danny.

We can't say for certain that would've happened but it's possible.

The judges over-scoring Ore and under-scoring Claudia could have made the difference.
Doghouse Riley
11-12-2016
Claudia an AJ were the guinea pigs.
The idea was to see if a young pro and a teenage celebrity would appeal to the younger viewers.
The BBC will have been doing their market research through the series and given how well Claudia has done, then their inclusion will be considered a success. AJ will be back next year with another teenager.

Claudia would not have been participating in the tour, due to her gymnastic commitments. But the finalists, Louise, Ore and Danny will. "What were the chances of that happening?"
Claudia's served her purpose. I think whoever of the other three who ended up in the dance-off with her, would have gone through.
Aurora13
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by vald:
“Claudia's QS was delightful but I wouldn't have given her more than a 7 for that rumba.”

I gave her an 8.

I had Danny with two 9's. Claudia with a 10 and an 8. Ore and Louise with a 9 and an 8.

I do think that all these dancers are above a 7.
Christopher D
11-12-2016
I liked her quickstep but the was no way she was staying over Danny.
Aurora13
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by StellaBella05:
“I think this result is indicative of how Claudia has been treated all season so I'm not surprised at all.

Consistently under marked compared to others especially in her AT, QS and AS and I think at the end of the day the judges just didn't seem to warm to her as much as they did with Ore and Louise (not their fault of course).

I just knew once she was in the DO she was a goner.”

Not quite. Claudia was over marked at Blackpool. Whoever was up against Danny was a goner. Judges didn't expect Danny to be there so you have to assume they wanted it to be Louise. Their scores indicated this.
David Wright
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“I liked her quickstep but the was no way she was staying over Danny.”

Of course but we're saying (some of us anyway) is that if the scores had been a fair reflection of the dancing she might not have been in the dance off with Danny.

Louise is the only one that clearly was going to go through wherever she finished on the leaderboard but it's possible that if Claudia had been above Ore (as she should have been) with the judges score the DO might have been Danny/Ore.
Aurora13
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“Claudia would never win with the judges, especially Darcey who would pick & choose when to be picky. There were two QS danced on Saturday one deserved a 40, the other was the judges scoring on who they wanted in the final instead of the dancing.
Claudia's AT compared to Ore just shows you how bias the judges scoring is, Ore is a good dancer and fair enough he got the public vote so deserves his place but the judges scoring was not fair and for me I believe they overmarked him and undermarked Claudia. Anyway I think the only way Claudia would have reached the final is if she wasn't in the DO.”

BIB we don't know that.
spottydog
11-12-2016
Didn't think having a rumba in the semi finals (even though it was good) was going to help get you to the final. Very unlucky
StellaBella05
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“Not quite. Claudia was over marked at Blackpool. Whoever was up against Danny was a goner. Judges didn't expect Danny to be there so you have to assume they wanted it to be Louise. Their scores indicated this.”

I'd agree her jive was the only dance that was overmarked but how she didn't get at least one 10 for her AT and not even a 10 from Darcey for that QS is beyond me.

I think it was more that Claudia didn't deserve to be where she was in the leaderboard. Scores are largely irrelevant at this stage. Position on the leaderboard counts for more.
StellaBella05
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by spottydog:
“Didn't think having a rumba in the semi finals (even though it was good) was going to help get you to the final. Very unlucky”

Yeah that was a tough dance to get at this stage. It definitely wasn't her best dance and I thought it was marked fairly. Her QS was under marked imo.

Imagine if she had the AT and Ore the rumba? I think she would have gone through.
StrictlyEastend
11-12-2016
No sadly.
sey77
11-12-2016
Yes, I believe Claudia was treated badly by the judges.

It was obvious as soon as Ore and Louise danced, and their faults and mistakes were over looked by 3 of the judges, they were going to be given favourable scores from the judges.

Claudia was the one who suffered most. Especially at Darcy's hand, she has always been given harsher criticism. Both of her routines were far superior to Ore's, especially the quick step.

She really wasn't treated very fairly at all. I've not even mentioned the "problems" with the voting system.
Rhumbatugger
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“It's not the first time though but hey I don't see any joy in having a go at a young British gymnast working her pants off in training for SCD and for her gymnastics. It really was not the worse dance but you know that of course.”

No one was having a go.

I really really LIKE Claudia, but that Rhumba was not great. Sorry and all that, but it wasn't.
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