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Did Claudia ever stand a chance this weekend? |
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175 | 61.84% |
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108 | 38.16% |
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#76 |
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Not quite.
Its perfectly possible that if Claudia had been above Ore on the leaderboard (as everyone thinks she should have been) then the dance off might have been Ore/Danny. We can't say for certain that would've happened but it's possible. The judges over-scoring Ore and under-scoring Claudia could have made the difference. Louise - 4 Claudia - 3 Ore - 2 Danny - 1 So Louise 6 / Ore 6 / Claudia 5 / Danny 4 (Danny forgotten in the clamber to save Louise and Claudia). If Judges scores had been as many on here think they should have been Danny - 4 Claudia - 3 Ore - 2 Louise - 1 Add on public vote last night Louise 5 / Danny 5 / Claudia 6 / Ore 4 That is a Danny and Ore dance off. EDIT Even if you make judges scores Danny - 4 Ore - 3 Claudia - 2 Louise - 1 Add on public vote last night Louise 5 / Danny 5 / Claudia 5 / Ore 5 That is a Danny and Ore dance off. |
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#77 |
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Well if we were all like you and set up 8 different internet accounts to vote for Claudia, we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?
![]() it's 10 email accounts (Not 8) I've had registered for years & I can assure you I'm not the only one who has multipul email accounts
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1. Claudia would have gone in the DO against ANY of the other 3...whatever.
2. Danny wasn't meant to be in the DO.....they were seriously bothered by that. Quote:
She was in the DO because not enough people voted for her. That simple.
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Claudia would have gone whoever she was up against in the DO.
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Claudia an AJ were the guinea pigs.
The idea was to see if a young pro and a teenage celebrity would appeal to the younger viewers. The BBC will have been doing their market research through the series and given how well Claudia has done, then their inclusion will be considered a success. AJ will be back next year with another teenager. Claudia would not have been participating in the tour, due to her gymnastic commitments. But the finalists, Louise, Ore and Danny will. "What were the chances of that happening?" Claudia's served her purpose. I think whoever of the other three who ended up in the dance-off with her, would have gone through. Quote:
Of course she stood a chance. All she had to do was work on the issue that the judges had been asking her to for a month or so - and focus on dance, performance and connection.
I don't think she was the worst dancer (second to last last night) but they were the worst partnership and she was the worst performer. |
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pleeeeeeeease
it's 10 email accounts (Not 8) I've had registered for years & I can assure you I'm not the only one who has multipul email accounts ![]() Whatever floats your boat, but be careful you don't sink with all that baggage
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The judges screwed her over, but I don't think intentionally. They are human and have their favorites - contestants they are more forgiving of and quicker to praise. She was my favorite, but i'm not sure the judges warmed to her as much as others. I think Craig was the only judge who was really in their corner (always seemed genuinely enthused by their routines) - but unfortunately for them he has a lot of integrity and doesn't get carried away as easily.
I think the look on Darcey's face (the same look she had the week Jamelia was eliminated last year) suggested to me she realised she might not have got the scoring entirely right - but that might just be me. |
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She could've come 2nd in the public vote and still not made it.
I do think she was royally screwed over by the judges (Craig and Darcey moreso) not just this week but from about the halfway point. I don't think it's necessarily the producers, but the judges had their three favourites from the start. Not that I'm bitter. ![]() Until she left Rio, for Strictly, her entire focus had been on getting to The Olympics and the competitions running up to it, which included winning the team silver in the Europeans and the Gold AA in the British Championships. |
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Ore, Danny and Louise are all doing the tour.
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I agree my guess on public vote is
Louise - 4 Claudia - 3 Ore - 2 Danny - 1 So Louise 6 / Ore 6 / Claudia 5 / Danny 4 (Danny forgotten in the clamber to save Louise and Claudia). If Judges scores had been as many on here think they should have been Danny - 4 Claudia - 3 Ore - 2 Louise - 1 Add on public vote last night Louise 5 / Danny 5 / Claudia 6 / Ore 4 That is a Danny and Ore dance off. EDIT Even if you make judges scores Danny - 4 Ore - 3 Claudia - 2 Louise - 1 Add on public vote last night Louise 5 / Danny 5 / Claudia 5 / Ore 5 That is a Danny and Ore dance off.
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Of course she stood a chance. All she had to do was work on the issue that the judges had been asking her to for a month or so - .
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Couple more straws in the wind from YouTube
Claudia and AJ's QS has had 21,000 views with 422 "Like"s and 11 "dislikes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s While Ore and Jo's AT has had 18,000 views with 184 "Like's" and 211 (?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) "dislikes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s Yet Ore topped the leaderboard and recieved three tens and a score of 39 for a dance pretty much everyone thinks was a disaster. I think Len had better get his ass on to It Takes Two tomorrow and explain this fiasco (if he can) |
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Couple more straws in the wind from YouTube
Claudia and AJ's QS has had 21,000 views with 422 "Like"s and 11 "dislikes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s While Ore and Jo's AT has had 18,000 views with 184 "Like's" and 211 (?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) "dislikes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s .......) Trying to fix the stats are you? |
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You've posted the link to the brats' QS twice.
Trying to fix the stats are you? In any case that's such an overwhelming reaction of popular to unpopular that there's absolutely nothing I could do to make the response to Ore's AT any more appalling, lol! ![]() And what's with the personal insults against Claudia and AJ? Nobody in this thread has been personal about Ore? |
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Nope just thought it would be helpful for people to know what I was talking about.
In any case that's such an overwhelming reaction of popular to unpopular that there's absolutely nothing I could do to make the response to Ore's AT any more appalling, lol! ![]() And what's with the personal insults against Claudia and AJ? Nobody in this thread has been personal about Ore? A couple of hundred disgruntled fans is small fry when you consider how many of us watch the show. |
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Just bitter fans clicking on dislike. There seems to be a few people sulking over the result and blaming Ore or Louise. I wouldn't worry.
Personally I think the dislikes are more because people felt it wasn't a good AT and was overmarked, rather than being about Claudia per se. |
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Only the public could have saved Claudia, the judges did not like her at all. She was better than Louise on the night, I'm surprised that the public didn't think so. I shed some tears when she went, I felt so sorry for her and AJ. It felt so unjust.
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Only the public could have saved Claudia, the judges did not like her at all. She was better than Louise on the night, I'm surprised that the public didn't think so. I shed some tears when she went, I felt so sorry for her and AJ. It felt so unjust.
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Well obviously she didn't poll better than Louise but for all we know she might have been above both Danny and Ore in the public vote...
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Perhaps but thats a hugely negative response to the AT - On YouTube most of the "reponse" comes within the first 12-18 hours of a video being posted which means most of the dislikes would have been last night and this morning, i.e. before the result was widely known.
Personally I think the dislikes are more because people felt it wasn't a good AT and was overmarked, rather than being about Claudia per se. |
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Oh. I thought if she was more popular than Ore he would be in the bottom instead of her.
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Oh. I thought if she was more popular than Ore he would be in the bottom instead of her.
Ore and Joanne 4+2 = 6 Danny and Oti 3+1 = 4 Claudia and AJ 2+3 = 5 Louise and Kevin 2+4 = 6 Danny v Claudia Dance Off despite Claudia finishing above Ore in the vote. The die was cast after the respective marks for the Quicksteps though. I'm still gobsmacked about the difference in scores now. |
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Not necessarily:
Ore and Joanne 4+2 = 6 Danny and Oti 3+1 = 4 Claudia and AJ 2+3 = 5 Louise and Kevin 2+4 = 6 Danny v Claudia Dance Off despite Claudia finishing above Ore in the vote. The die was cast after the respective marks for the Quicksteps though. I'm still gobsmacked about the difference in scores now.
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Perhaps but thats a hugely negative response to the AT - On YouTube most of the "reponse" comes within the first 12-18 hours of a video being posted which means most of the dislikes would have been last night and this morning, i.e. before the result was widely known.
Personally I think the dislikes are more because people felt it wasn't a good AT and was overmarked, rather than being about Claudia per se. ETA on one of Claudia's or Danny's dances the commenters are blaming everyone from judgely bias to Darcey alone to the Cliftons. One even declared it was all Will Young's fault for throwing a hissy fit and leaving. |
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No - she and Louise were level after the judges had their say - she didn't get the public vote, which is how she ended up in the dance off.
By this late stage, wherever you end up on the judges leaderboard, if you don't have the public vote then you're in trouble. |
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I believe this is how the couples scored on the night ( Judges score first, public voting) score second)
Ore 4+2=6 Danny 3+1=4 Louise 2+4=6 Claudia 2+3=5 If the judges had scored according to the dances in the night, it would have been as follows: Danny 4+1=5 Claudia 3+3=6 Ore 2+2= 4 Louise 1+4=5 The judges purposefully put Ore at the top as they knew he was most at danger with the public and would come third or fourth in the votes. Hence the standing ovation from Len and the comments about how he's the only dancer without experience, all done to make the public vote for him. This I think helped award him 2 points from the public voting instead of one. This combined with max points from the judges meant he was safe. I think the reason why Danny didn't get the votes was because the public genuinely believed he would be safe and therefore didn't vote for him and instead voted for another. He is my favourite and I want him to win. However on Saturday I voted for Claudia 10 times and Danny twice. Simply because I thought Claudia was in danger and deserved to go through and Danny wasn't in danger as he was 2nd and would go through. Louise who thoroughly deserved to occupy the sole bottom position, had the public vote which I believe the judges knew she would and be first or second on the public vote. But to guarantee her safety they placed her joint bottom as opposed to sole bottom place, to guarantee her place. Claudia - the judges knew she would get the public support because she is a brilliant dancer, the public liked her and also because the public wanted to support her after the bad and unfair treatment towards her by the judges. So the only way to guarantee her exit is to place her bottom when she deserved to be at least second on the leaderboard. But obviously they could t do that as that would guarantee her place in the final. It was has been very obvious for the past few weeks the judges didn't like Claudia, especially that patronising Darcy. This show has highlighted what a patronising, phoney, jealous and a spiteful witch with a B that Darcy is. She couldn't say one good word to Claudia for her Quickstep. She always starts everyone's dances off with a positive but with Claudia it started with a negative and continued to be negative. |
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I voted yes, because the judges could quite as easily have chosen Ore to get the boot.
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