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Results:Was Claudia screwed over by TPTB?
Yes
175 (61.84%)
No
108 (38.16%)
Voters: 283. You can't vote on this poll right now - are you signed in?
Did Claudia ever stand a chance this weekend?
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Aurora13
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Not quite.

Its perfectly possible that if Claudia had been above Ore on the leaderboard (as everyone thinks she should have been) then the dance off might have been Ore/Danny.

We can't say for certain that would've happened but it's possible.

The judges over-scoring Ore and under-scoring Claudia could have made the difference.”

I agree my guess on public vote is

Louise - 4
Claudia - 3
Ore - 2
Danny - 1

So Louise 6 / Ore 6 / Claudia 5 / Danny 4
(Danny forgotten in the clamber to save Louise and Claudia).

If Judges scores had been as many on here think they should have been

Danny - 4
Claudia - 3
Ore - 2
Louise - 1

Add on public vote last night
Louise 5 / Danny 5 / Claudia 6 / Ore 4

That is a Danny and Ore dance off.

EDIT
Even if you make judges scores
Danny - 4
Ore - 3
Claudia - 2
Louise - 1

Add on public vote last night
Louise 5 / Danny 5 / Claudia 5 / Ore 5

That is a Danny and Ore dance off.
Skyrah
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“Well if we were all like you and set up 8 different internet accounts to vote for Claudia, we wouldn't be having this discussion would we? ”

pleeeeeeeease

it's 10 email accounts (Not 8) I've had registered for years & I can assure you I'm not the only one who has multipul email accounts
daisydee
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by robbleona:
“1. Claudia would have gone in the DO against ANY of the other 3...whatever.

2. Danny wasn't meant to be in the DO.....they were seriously bothered by that.
”

Why? Your first sentence contradicts your second. I'm inclined to believe that choosing Danny over Claudia would be seen as a no-brainer, and even though I loved Danny & expected him to win the glitterball easily, in the DO I thought Claudia's QS was the best dance.
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“ She was in the DO because not enough people voted for her. That simple.”

Until the public vote is published we will never know that.
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“Claudia would have gone whoever she was up against in the DO.”

Yes, I think that was the plan, but being up against Danny made it seem more feasible.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Claudia an AJ were the guinea pigs.
The idea was to see if a young pro and a teenage celebrity would appeal to the younger viewers.
The BBC will have been doing their market research through the series and given how well Claudia has done, then their inclusion will be considered a success. AJ will be back next year with another teenager.

Claudia would not have been participating in the tour, due to her gymnastic commitments. But the finalists, Louise, Ore and Danny will. "What were the chances of that happening?"

Claudia's served her purpose. I think whoever of the other three who ended up in the dance-off with her, would have gone through.”

Very interesting post DR, especially BiB.
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Of course she stood a chance. All she had to do was work on the issue that the judges had been asking her to for a month or so - and focus on dance, performance and connection.

I don't think she was the worst dancer (second to last last night) but they were the worst partnership and she was the worst performer.”

Tosh.
madetomeasure
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“pleeeeeeeease

it's 10 email accounts (Not 8) I've had registered for years & I can assure you I'm not the only one who has multipul email accounts ”


Whatever floats your boat, but be careful you don't sink with all that baggage
little_lexie
11-12-2016
The judges screwed her over, but I don't think intentionally. They are human and have their favorites - contestants they are more forgiving of and quicker to praise. She was my favorite, but i'm not sure the judges warmed to her as much as others. I think Craig was the only judge who was really in their corner (always seemed genuinely enthused by their routines) - but unfortunately for them he has a lot of integrity and doesn't get carried away as easily.

I think the look on Darcey's face (the same look she had the week Jamelia was eliminated last year) suggested to me she realised she might not have got the scoring entirely right - but that might just be me.
milliejo
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by ChickenFromKiev:
“She could've come 2nd in the public vote and still not made it.

I do think she was royally screwed over by the judges (Craig and Darcey moreso) not just this week but from about the halfway point. I don't think it's necessarily the producers, but the judges had their three favourites from the start.

Not that I'm bitter. ”

The costuming for The Rumba didn't help, it was too old for her and tried to make her more sophisticated, when she has most likely never been in love or had the time for a boyfriend. I think she did a very good dance though. Better than Louise but didn't get the marks she deserved.

Until she left Rio, for Strictly, her entire focus had been on getting to The Olympics and the competitions running up to it, which included winning the team silver in the Europeans and the Gold AA in the British Championships.
sonic157
11-12-2016
Ore, Danny and Louise are all doing the tour.
David Wright
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“I agree my guess on public vote is

Louise - 4
Claudia - 3
Ore - 2
Danny - 1

So Louise 6 / Ore 6 / Claudia 5 / Danny 4
(Danny forgotten in the clamber to save Louise and Claudia).

If Judges scores had been as many on here think they should have been

Danny - 4
Claudia - 3
Ore - 2
Louise - 1

Add on public vote last night
Louise 5 / Danny 5 / Claudia 6 / Ore 4

That is a Danny and Ore dance off.

EDIT
Even if you make judges scores
Danny - 4
Ore - 3
Claudia - 2
Louise - 1

Add on public vote last night
Louise 5 / Danny 5 / Claudia 5 / Ore 5

That is a Danny and Ore dance off.”

Thanks for taking the time to work it out!
poshnosh
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Of course she stood a chance. All she had to do was work on the issue that the judges had been asking her to for a month or so - .”

and focus on her height and her age.
David Wright
11-12-2016
Couple more straws in the wind from YouTube

Claudia and AJ's QS has had 21,000 views with 422 "Like"s and 11 "dislikes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s

While Ore and Jo's AT has had 18,000 views with 184 "Like's" and 211 (?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) "dislikes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s

Yet Ore topped the leaderboard and recieved three tens and a score of 39 for a dance pretty much everyone thinks was a disaster.

I think Len had better get his ass on to It Takes Two tomorrow and explain this fiasco (if he can)
Jim Kowalski
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Couple more straws in the wind from YouTube

Claudia and AJ's QS has had 21,000 views with 422 "Like"s and 11 "dislikes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s

While Ore and Jo's AT has had 18,000 views with 184 "Like's" and 211 (?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?) "dislikes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lR8dqKIfo&t=54s

.......)”

You've posted the link to the brats' QS twice.
Trying to fix the stats are you?
David Wright
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jim Kowalski:
“You've posted the link to the brats' QS twice.
Trying to fix the stats are you?”

Nope just thought it would be helpful for people to know what I was talking about.

In any case that's such an overwhelming reaction of popular to unpopular that there's absolutely nothing I could do to make the response to Ore's AT any more appalling, lol!

And what's with the personal insults against Claudia and AJ? Nobody in this thread has been personal about Ore?
vald
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Nope just thought it would be helpful for people to know what I was talking about.

In any case that's such an overwhelming reaction of popular to unpopular that there's absolutely nothing I could do to make the response to Ore's AT any more appalling, lol!

And what's with the personal insults against Claudia and AJ? Nobody in this thread has been personal about Ore?”

Just bitter fans clicking on dislike. There seems to be a few people sulking over the result and blaming Ore or Louise. I wouldn't worry.
A couple of hundred disgruntled fans is small fry when you consider how many of us watch the show.
David Wright
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by vald:
“Just bitter fans clicking on dislike. There seems to be a few people sulking over the result and blaming Ore or Louise. I wouldn't worry.”

Perhaps but thats a hugely negative response to the AT - On YouTube most of the "reponse" comes within the first 12-18 hours of a video being posted which means most of the dislikes would have been last night and this morning, i.e. before the result was widely known.

Personally I think the dislikes are more because people felt it wasn't a good AT and was overmarked, rather than being about Claudia per se.
beauty-1
12-12-2016
Only the public could have saved Claudia, the judges did not like her at all. She was better than Louise on the night, I'm surprised that the public didn't think so. I shed some tears when she went, I felt so sorry for her and AJ. It felt so unjust.
David Wright
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by beauty-1:
“Only the public could have saved Claudia, the judges did not like her at all. She was better than Louise on the night, I'm surprised that the public didn't think so. I shed some tears when she went, I felt so sorry for her and AJ. It felt so unjust.”

Well obviously she didn't poll better than Louise but for all we know she might have been above both Danny and Ore in the public vote...
beauty-1
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Well obviously she didn't poll better than Louise but for all we know she might have been above both Danny and Ore in the public vote...”

Oh. I thought if she was more popular than Ore he would be in the bottom instead of her.
vald
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Perhaps but thats a hugely negative response to the AT - On YouTube most of the "reponse" comes within the first 12-18 hours of a video being posted which means most of the dislikes would have been last night and this morning, i.e. before the result was widely known.

Personally I think the dislikes are more because people felt it wasn't a good AT and was overmarked, rather than being about Claudia per se.”

As I said a couple of hundred is nothing. And the result was widely known last night...it was all over twitter. I wouldn't worry about it. Youngsters get very passionate about their favourites.
David Wright
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by beauty-1:
“Oh. I thought if she was more popular than Ore he would be in the bottom instead of her.”

Nope. Ore being ahead of Claudia and topping the leaderboard with the judges vote means that he would have still gone through even if she'd beaten him in the public vote.
Fudd
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by beauty-1:
“Oh. I thought if she was more popular than Ore he would be in the bottom instead of her.”

Not necessarily:

Ore and Joanne 4+2 = 6
Danny and Oti 3+1 = 4
Claudia and AJ 2+3 = 5
Louise and Kevin 2+4 = 6

Danny v Claudia Dance Off despite Claudia finishing above Ore in the vote.

The die was cast after the respective marks for the Quicksteps though. I'm still gobsmacked about the difference in scores now.
David Wright
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Not necessarily:

Ore and Joanne 4+2 = 6
Danny and Oti 3+1 = 4
Claudia and AJ 2+3 = 5
Louise and Kevin 2+4 = 6

Danny v Claudia Dance Off despite Claudia finishing above Ore in the vote.

The die was cast after the respective marks for the Quicksteps though. I'm still gobsmacked about the difference in scores now.”

I think the "die was cast" before anybody had stepped foot on the dance floor to be honest...
DianaFire
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Perhaps but thats a hugely negative response to the AT - On YouTube most of the "reponse" comes within the first 12-18 hours of a video being posted which means most of the dislikes would have been last night and this morning, i.e. before the result was widely known.

Personally I think the dislikes are more because people felt it wasn't a good AT and was overmarked, rather than being about Claudia per se.”

If you look at the comments underneath, many of them are from disgruntled Danny and Claudia fans. They have a strong presence on social media so it's hardly surprising. Without checking, I'd assume that their dances have loads of thumbs-up.

ETA on one of Claudia's or Danny's dances the commenters are blaming everyone from judgely bias to Darcey alone to the Cliftons. One even declared it was all Will Young's fault for throwing a hissy fit and leaving.
Alleycat666
12-12-2016
No - she and Louise were level after the judges had their say - she didn't get the public vote, which is how she ended up in the dance off.

By this late stage, wherever you end up on the judges leaderboard, if you don't have the public vote then you're in trouble.
Rubi_
12-12-2016
I believe this is how the couples scored on the night ( Judges score first, public voting) score second)
Ore 4+2=6
Danny 3+1=4
Louise 2+4=6
Claudia 2+3=5

If the judges had scored according to the dances in the night, it would have been as follows:
Danny 4+1=5
Claudia 3+3=6
Ore 2+2= 4
Louise 1+4=5

The judges purposefully put Ore at the top as they knew he was most at danger with the public and would come third or fourth in the votes. Hence the standing ovation from Len and the comments about how he's the only dancer without experience, all done to make the public vote for him.
This I think helped award him 2 points from the public voting instead of one. This combined with max points from the judges meant he was safe.

I think the reason why Danny didn't get the votes was because the public genuinely believed he would be safe and therefore didn't vote for him and instead voted for another.
He is my favourite and I want him to win. However on Saturday I voted for Claudia 10 times and Danny twice. Simply because I thought Claudia was in danger and deserved to go through and Danny wasn't in danger as he was 2nd and would go through.

Louise who thoroughly deserved to occupy the sole bottom position, had the public vote which I believe the judges knew she would and be first or second on the public vote. But to guarantee her safety they placed her joint bottom as opposed to sole bottom place, to guarantee her place.

Claudia - the judges knew she would get the public support because she is a brilliant dancer, the public liked her and also because the public wanted to support her after the bad and unfair treatment towards her by the judges. So the only way to guarantee her exit is to place her bottom when she deserved to be at least second on the leaderboard. But obviously they could t do that as that would guarantee her place in the final.

It was has been very obvious for the past few weeks the judges didn't like Claudia, especially that patronising Darcy.

This show has highlighted what a patronising, phoney, jealous and a spiteful witch with a B that Darcy is. She couldn't say one good word to Claudia for her Quickstep.
She always starts everyone's dances off with a positive but with Claudia it started with a negative and continued to be negative.
Hamlet77
12-12-2016
I voted yes, because the judges could quite as easily have chosen Ore to get the boot.
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