Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“Do all Adults Bait other f/m's or is it just you.”
“Do all Adults Bait other f/m's or is it just you.”
That FM assures us he has a sense of humour; I'm yet to see any evidence
Had the bias judging sickened you rom watching the final?
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Originally Posted by yenston:
“I will watch the final but Ore being there is going to spoil it for me. A bit like Katie Derham last year. I hope they kick him out first and he comes third. Blatant manipulation to get him into the final. A great shame.”
“I will watch the final but Ore being there is going to spoil it for me. A bit like Katie Derham last year. I hope they kick him out first and he comes third. Blatant manipulation to get him into the final. A great shame.”
Theres a bit in The Sun today headed 'Just who Ore you kidding' saying that viewers have accused the judges of overmarking him to get him into the final.
Now I know people will dismiss it and say - oh its the Sun - but you cant avoid the fact that many people are annoyed about it and the BBC need to know how people feel - I'm sure they've been told by many. Their answer is that the judges score each dance independently "based on its merits" and their expert opinion. Yeah right.
After last year's biased voting and comments from the judges I wasn't bothered about watching this year so have recorded it so I can just watch some of the dances without the judges comments. After watching the semi final in full, I see the judges are still at it, ignoring some people's faults and praising mediocrity whilst undermarking others.
I will be watching the final so I can vote for Danny as it looks like he will need all the votes he can get if Louise is as popular as she seems to be.
I will be watching the final so I can vote for Danny as it looks like he will need all the votes he can get if Louise is as popular as she seems to be.
Originally Posted by hansue:
“Theres a bit in The Sun today headed 'Just who Ore you kidding' saying that viewers have accused the judges of overmarking him to get him into the final.
Now I know people will dismiss it and say - oh its the Sun - but you cant avoid the fact that many people are annoyed about it and the BBC need to know how people feel - I'm sure they've been told by many. Their answer is that the judges score each dance independently "based on its merits" and their expert opinion. Yeah right.”
“Theres a bit in The Sun today headed 'Just who Ore you kidding' saying that viewers have accused the judges of overmarking him to get him into the final.
Now I know people will dismiss it and say - oh its the Sun - but you cant avoid the fact that many people are annoyed about it and the BBC need to know how people feel - I'm sure they've been told by many. Their answer is that the judges score each dance independently "based on its merits" and their expert opinion. Yeah right.”
1. The Sun will do anything and everything possible to rubbish the BBC in any and every way it can. And constructing a 'story' out of some random Tweets is about all they're capable of.
Starting a campaign against one of the finalists in a national newspaper is pretty low. I wonder how some FMs would react if this was Louise? Or is it easier and more in character for The Sun to pick on Ore because he's of Nigerian descent? Sorry - but if the cap fits …
2. Did The Sun, or indeed any other newspaper, run stories about overmarking in Series 6, when the agenda to get Lisa in a final with Rachel was painfully obvious? No, I didn't think so. Or any other series, where there's been overworking? Again, no.
We all have our favourites. Mine has gone this year - several weeks ago. But that's fine, and it's not actually the point. I don't think ANY contestant deserves singling out like this. It's a 'fact' that I'm 'annoyed' about lots of things. That doesn't mean to say that me Tweeting about it deserves column space in a newspaper. If indeed that's what The Sun is.
Originally Posted by hansue:
“Theres a bit in The Sun today headed 'Just who Ore you kidding' saying that viewers have accused the judges of overmarking him to get him into the final.
Now I know people will dismiss it and say - oh its the Sun - but you cant avoid the fact that many people are annoyed about it and the BBC need to know how people feel - I'm sure they've been told by many. Their answer is that the judges score each dance independently "based on its merits" and their expert opinion. Yeah right.”
“Theres a bit in The Sun today headed 'Just who Ore you kidding' saying that viewers have accused the judges of overmarking him to get him into the final.
Now I know people will dismiss it and say - oh its the Sun - but you cant avoid the fact that many people are annoyed about it and the BBC need to know how people feel - I'm sure they've been told by many. Their answer is that the judges score each dance independently "based on its merits" and their expert opinion. Yeah right.”
This is what narks me. If that AT, QS and Louise's samba had been done in any other week, it would have been criticised - especially by Craig. He would have certainly picked up on Ore's stumble, the non-lead and the gapping. That samba was a non-event and although ok it was not worth those marks or the praise. On one hand they say they get picky in the final stages and then on the other hand out 10s and uber praise like sweets to dances that clearly have mistakes and bad technique.
Originally Posted by Sho Nuff:
“This is what narks me. If that AT, QS and Louise's samba had been done in any other week, it would have been criticised - especially by Craig. He would have certainly picked up on Ore's stumble, the non-lead and the gapping. That samba was a non-event and although ok it was not worth those marks or the praise. On one hand they say they get picky in the final stages and then on the other hand out 10s and uber praise like sweets to dances that clearly have mistakes and bad technique.”
“This is what narks me. If that AT, QS and Louise's samba had been done in any other week, it would have been criticised - especially by Craig. He would have certainly picked up on Ore's stumble, the non-lead and the gapping. That samba was a non-event and although ok it was not worth those marks or the praise. On one hand they say they get picky in the final stages and then on the other hand out 10s and uber praise like sweets to dances that clearly have mistakes and bad technique.”
.. and then downmark a very good performance, faultless QS from Claudia. I loved it, said Craig and promptly gave it a 9.
Originally Posted by Tiggywink:
“.. and then downmark a very good performance, faultless QS from Claudia. I loved it, said Craig and promptly gave it a 9.”
“.. and then downmark a very good performance, faultless QS from Claudia. I loved it, said Craig and promptly gave it a 9.”
Absolutely. I was SO gutted for Claudia & AJ. They should have been in the final.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“1. The Sun will do anything and everything possible to rubbish the BBC in any and every way it can. And constructing a 'story' out of some random Tweets is about all they're capable of.
Starting a campaign against one of the finalists in a national newspaper is pretty low. I wonder how some FMs would react if this was Louise? Or is it easier and more in character for The Sun to pick on Ore because he's of Nigerian descent? Sorry - but if the cap fits …
2. Did The Sun, or indeed any other newspaper, run stories about overmarking in Series 6, when the agenda to get Lisa in a final with Rachel was painfully obvious? No, I didn't think so. Or any other series, where there's been overworking? Again, no.
We all have our favourites. Mine has gone this year - several weeks ago. But that's fine, and it's not actually the point. I don't think ANY contestant deserves singling out like this. It's a 'fact' that I'm 'annoyed' about lots of things. That doesn't mean to say that me Tweeting about it deserves column space in a newspaper. If indeed that's what The Sun is.”
“1. The Sun will do anything and everything possible to rubbish the BBC in any and every way it can. And constructing a 'story' out of some random Tweets is about all they're capable of.
Starting a campaign against one of the finalists in a national newspaper is pretty low. I wonder how some FMs would react if this was Louise? Or is it easier and more in character for The Sun to pick on Ore because he's of Nigerian descent? Sorry - but if the cap fits …
2. Did The Sun, or indeed any other newspaper, run stories about overmarking in Series 6, when the agenda to get Lisa in a final with Rachel was painfully obvious? No, I didn't think so. Or any other series, where there's been overworking? Again, no.
We all have our favourites. Mine has gone this year - several weeks ago. But that's fine, and it's not actually the point. I don't think ANY contestant deserves singling out like this. It's a 'fact' that I'm 'annoyed' about lots of things. That doesn't mean to say that me Tweeting about it deserves column space in a newspaper. If indeed that's what The Sun is.”
I would slightly disagree with your first point as a lot of people on here have raised concerns about the marking of Ore, I don't tweet so I cant comment on how many people feel that he was overmarked but I suspect there were thousands of tweets. I also read about it on a website and a lot of people commented on there so I don't think its just a couple of tweets. I also don't think for one moment that his colour has anything to do with people feeling that he was being favoured and I know The Sun does get a lot of bad press (sorry for the pun) but they are repeating what many people have said. I do agree though with singling one person out because its not Ore's fault but its the judges that people are complaining about and I cant help but agree with this.
I cant comment on Series 6. I did see it but I wasn't a member of the forum then so didn't know how people felt and of course social media wasn't so widespread as it is now.
Originally Posted by hansue:
“I would slightly disagree with your first point as a lot of people on here have raised concerns about the marking of Ore, I don't tweet so I cant comment on how many people feel that he was overmarked but I suspect there were thousands of tweets. I also read about it on a website and a lot of people commented on there so I don't think its just a couple of tweets. I also don't think for one moment that his colour has anything to do with people feeling that he was being favoured and I know The Sun does get a lot of bad press (sorry for the pun) but they are repeating what many people have said. I do agree though with singling one person out because its not Ore's fault but its the judges that people are complaining about and I cant help but agree with this.
I cant comment on Series 6. I did see it but I wasn't a member of the forum then so didn't know how people felt and of course social media wasn't so widespread as it is now.”
“I would slightly disagree with your first point as a lot of people on here have raised concerns about the marking of Ore, I don't tweet so I cant comment on how many people feel that he was overmarked but I suspect there were thousands of tweets. I also read about it on a website and a lot of people commented on there so I don't think its just a couple of tweets. I also don't think for one moment that his colour has anything to do with people feeling that he was being favoured and I know The Sun does get a lot of bad press (sorry for the pun) but they are repeating what many people have said. I do agree though with singling one person out because its not Ore's fault but its the judges that people are complaining about and I cant help but agree with this.
I cant comment on Series 6. I did see it but I wasn't a member of the forum then so didn't know how people felt and of course social media wasn't so widespread as it is now.”
I didn't dispute that people have questioned Ore's marking. My point is: why do what some people (and it's a tiny proportion compared to the viewing figures) say about a television show warrant a newspaper headline intended to diminish one SCD finalist and also the BBC?
The Sun's article is constructed around comments from bitter rentagob James Jordan (clearly so hard up he's lost any principles he might have once had), and quotes four people. Four. Not thousands. So they've manufactured a 'story' intended to undermine Ore (in final week) and also the show as a whole. And rather than seeing it as a validation of their opinions, anyone from the anti-Ore brigade who actually loves Strictly, should see through that piece for what it is - yet another attempt to bring the BBC down.
I'm sorry if you feel Ore shouldn't be in the final. Clearly other people feel differently - after all, if he was as unpopular as some FMs like to maintain, he would have been in the dance-off … and yet he wasn't. Similarly, Claudia can't have had the public support to end up where she was. The public don't pay any attention to the judges - if they did, Ed Balls would never have lasted as long as he did - so I hardly think the leader board could have influenced them. It's the way it happens on Strictly.
But Series 6 was way, WAY worse than this. By a million miles. I'm sure it's in the DS Forum archive if you've got the time!
Originally Posted by hansue:
“Theres a bit in The Sun today headed 'Just who Ore you kidding' saying that viewers have accused the judges of overmarking him to get him into the final.
Now I know people will dismiss it and say - oh its the Sun - but you cant avoid the fact that many people are annoyed about it and the BBC need to know how people feel - I'm sure they've been told by many. Their answer is that the judges score each dance independently "based on its merits" and their expert opinion. Yeah right.”
“Theres a bit in The Sun today headed 'Just who Ore you kidding' saying that viewers have accused the judges of overmarking him to get him into the final.
Now I know people will dismiss it and say - oh its the Sun - but you cant avoid the fact that many people are annoyed about it and the BBC need to know how people feel - I'm sure they've been told by many. Their answer is that the judges score each dance independently "based on its merits" and their expert opinion. Yeah right.”
Blooming ridiculous. Ore has got there on his own merit and by being voted for by people like myself who admire him imensly. I suppose they quoted some of the sulky Claudia fans who were throwing their toys out of the pram on Sunday night.
😏
Originally Posted by Liza with a Zee:
“Yeah I don't remember a worst one.”
“Yeah I don't remember a worst one.”
Really worse than seven which Chris hollins won?
Originally Posted by vald:
“Blooming ridiculous. Ore has got there on his own merit and by being voted for by people like myself who admire him imensly. I suppose they quoted some of the sulky Claudia fans who were throwing their toys out of the pram on Sunday night.😏”
“Blooming ridiculous. Ore has got there on his own merit and by being voted for by people like myself who admire him imensly. I suppose they quoted some of the sulky Claudia fans who were throwing their toys out of the pram on Sunday night.
😏”
He did not get there on his own merit, he got a massive leg up by the judges. His fans can deny it all they like but that is how it is.
Originally Posted by jumpingbudgie:
“Didn't watch the semi final for the first time since Strictly started, and won't be watching the final either - the subtle manipulation of the show's narrative and the not so subtle manipulation of the scoring in favour of certain 'stars' means it just doesn't appeal to me as a format for light entertainment. As a viewer and licence payer, I've had apples out of that barrel before from the BBC and their indignant protests of impartial innocence ring hollow at best and outright disingenuous at worst.
The best outcome is that one of the Cliftons finally wins so the babies can have thleir bottle and relish their moment of assisted glory, and maybe then next year it willn go back to being a fair competition.”
“Didn't watch the semi final for the first time since Strictly started, and won't be watching the final either - the subtle manipulation of the show's narrative and the not so subtle manipulation of the scoring in favour of certain 'stars' means it just doesn't appeal to me as a format for light entertainment. As a viewer and licence payer, I've had apples out of that barrel before from the BBC and their indignant protests of impartial innocence ring hollow at best and outright disingenuous at worst.
The best outcome is that one of the Cliftons finally wins so the babies can have thleir bottle and relish their moment of assisted glory, and maybe then next year it willn go back to being a fair competition.”
Bah humbug I was going to put nah but curse autocorrect I willing to put up with more manipulation to wait for someone who deserves it neither Danny or Oti deserve to be robbed this year. I've got friends around so can't really watch especially after inflicting Blackpool on them when I went round theirs so I'll have to hope Doti get the title they deserve. That's the sole regret I have at not watching live.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“He did not get there on his own merit, he got a massive leg up by the judges. His fans can deny it all they like but that is how it is.”
“He did not get there on his own merit, he got a massive leg up by the judges. His fans can deny it all they like but that is how it is.”
In your dreams (literally!) How can you believe such tommyrot as a conspiracy among four judges less likely to agree on a concerted policy than a Corbyn led Labour Party without your brain simply exploding in protest?
Originally Posted by Whomoi:
“Seems to me if your (general your) favourite doesn't get through then it's the worst ever, the judges are biased and so it goes on.
.”
“Seems to me if your (general your) favourite doesn't get through then it's the worst ever, the judges are biased and so it goes on.
.”
You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly why we are getting threads like this one.
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“In your dreams (literally!) How can you believe such tommyrot as a conspiracy among four judges less likely to agree on a concerted policy than a Corbyn led Labour Party without your brain simply exploding in protest?”
“In your dreams (literally!) How can you believe such tommyrot as a conspiracy among four judges less likely to agree on a concerted policy than a Corbyn led Labour Party without your brain simply exploding in protest?”
It's easy really, they have done it before with Peter Andre over marking him and not just the once if I remember and many, many other times over the years. The 4 of them should be embarrassed with their ridiculous 10s for dances well below par and with mistakes in them.
Originally Posted by Gary Baldi:
“You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly why we are getting threads like this one.”
“You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly why we are getting threads like this one.”
And you will get more until the judges mark fairly.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“He did not get there on his own merit, he got a massive leg up by the judges. His fans can deny it all they like but that is how it is.”
“He did not get there on his own merit, he got a massive leg up by the judges. His fans can deny it all they like but that is how it is.”
No, that is YOUR OPINION of how it is. Just as many people think (i.e. their opinion) that Ore deserves to be there on merit and that he is clearly a better dancer overall than Claudia.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“And you will get more until the judges mark fairly.”
“And you will get more until the judges mark fairly.”
Well this type of thread is certainly a 'Sour grapes and sore losers' thread.
"Claudia we love you!!!!!" Give it a rest.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“It's easy really, they have done it before with Peter Andre over marking him and not just the once if I remember and many, many other times over the years. The 4 of them should be embarrassed with their ridiculous 10s for dances well below par and with mistakes in them.”
“It's easy really, they have done it before with Peter Andre over marking him and not just the once if I remember and many, many other times over the years. The 4 of them should be embarrassed with their ridiculous 10s for dances well below par and with mistakes in them.”
So if it's happened before, why is it so awful this year? Or is it just because your favourite this time isn't as popular as you thought and you don't like that?
There's nothing this year that comes close to Series 6. I know I keep on saying it - but that's to remind everyone of what fixing and rigging really is …
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“He did not get there on his own merit, he got a massive leg up by the judges. His fans can deny it all they like but that is how it is.”
“He did not get there on his own merit, he got a massive leg up by the judges. His fans can deny it all they like but that is how it is.”
Oh come on, be fair - I know you're a die-hard Claudia fan but there's no need to deny Ore his due. He's done some outstanding dances and if you'd take off your blinkers for a moment you'd admit that Ore has done amazingly well for a complete beginner.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Blooming ridiculous. Ore has got there on his own merit and by being voted for by people like myself who admire him imensly. I suppose they quoted some of the sulky Claudia fans who were throwing their toys out of the pram on Sunday night.😏”
“Blooming ridiculous. Ore has got there on his own merit and by being voted for by people like myself who admire him imensly. I suppose they quoted some of the sulky Claudia fans who were throwing their toys out of the pram on Sunday night.
😏”
IMO the only reason he is in the Final is because the Judges manipulated him there through over marking him. Insulting Claudia Fans is rather pathetic.
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Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“It's easy really, they have done it before with Peter Andre over marking him and not just the once if I remember and many, many other times over the years. The 4 of them should be embarrassed with their ridiculous 10s for dances well below par and with mistakes in them.”
“It's easy really, they have done it before with Peter Andre over marking him and not just the once if I remember and many, many other times over the years. The 4 of them should be embarrassed with their ridiculous 10s for dances well below par and with mistakes in them.”
I totally agree with you. Ore has been consistently over marked every week. When he made mistakes some so obvious, like not being in time with Joanne, stumbling, slipping, doing only one ganchos in the AT ( last year Craig massively criticised Jay for lack of ganchos and marked him down) surprise surprise it doesn't get noticed and he is awarded 10's. Claudia has consistently been under marked week after week for very small errors. The BBC's manipulation has been so obvious this year worst than last year with the promoting of Kellie and Kevin. Len in the final saying she should be the winner. Saturday night he did the same with Ore. I hope the GBP respond that same way as last year and vote for Danny and Oti and ruin their plans. They never learn GBP don't like to be told what to do or have things forced on them
Of course I will watch it, I love watching the couples dances, that is why I watch the show, and I can't wait to watch the final whichever couple finally lifts that Glitterball. I haven't the time to waste or inclination to do so to get unnecessarily worked up over results on a TV show. I just want to enjoy the shows. Good luck to all three finalists.
Originally Posted by postit:
“Oh come on, be fair - I know you're a die-hard Claudia fan but there's no need to deny Ore his due. He's done some outstanding dances and if you'd take off your blinkers for a moment you'd admit that Ore has done amazingly well for a complete beginner.”
“Oh come on, be fair - I know you're a die-hard Claudia fan but there's no need to deny Ore his due. He's done some outstanding dances and if you'd take off your blinkers for a moment you'd admit that Ore has done amazingly well for a complete beginner.”
If you take your blinkers off you would admit he was over marked. Only He knows if he was a complete beginner.
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