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But not necessarily out of the single market.
We voted out of that organisation. Anyway, it is not for the UK to decide. The EU will decide what kind of relationship they want with us once we have left. |
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Including the idiots in the south Wales valleys, where there is hardly any immigration, but a massive amount of EU Objective 1 funding going on.
They would all compliantly trot out the Brexit mantra of "We will be only getting our own money back" of course, but what money? The valleys don't produce anything, and are massive net beneficiaries of the EU. And why did they need EU money at all? Because successive UK governments neglected and under-funded any kind of regeneration there. So they've bitten the hand that feeds them in favour of going under the yoke of the hand that starved them... again Utter folly. They clearly have no idea of the devastating impact that leaving the EU will have on jobs (not everyone up here works for Nissan despite what the media implies, and not every employer will get a 'special secret' deal either) to say nothing of the impact that loss of EU funding will have on the area, The same goes for my home city Stoke on Trent a place which is also traditionally Labour but voted leave in large numbers, Going on a lifetime of experience I really don't see our Tory 'friends' falling over themselves to help such areas post brexit, their usual response is one of intentional and vindictive spitefulness towards areas where they know they will never be popular. |
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Beginning to get it are you. The only feasible option is to stay in.
The EU has consistently had the lowest growth rate of any region in the world in the last decade. Italy has hasn't seen growth for years. Why would that be if the EU is so great for prosperity rather than just a source of cheap labour, mass youth unemployment and misery. There are over 175 nations not in the EU - we would be one more not in the job destroying, over regulated inefficient and massively indebted EU bloc. |
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Including the idiots in the south Wales valleys, where there is hardly any immigration, but a massive amount of EU Objective 1 funding going on.
They would all compliantly trot out the Brexit mantra of "We will be only getting our own money back" of course, but what money? The valleys don't produce anything, and are massive net beneficiaries of the EU. And why did they need EU money at all? Because successive UK governments neglected and under-funded any kind of regeneration there. So they've bitten the hand that feeds them in favour of going under the yoke of the hand that starved them... again Utter folly. I've tried to make the point to people in the North East as well, and it's met with blank looks. So really the only way it's going to get through to them is to let them suffer. Some people have to learn the hard way. |
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I find it weird that the legal challenges are greeted with so much venom by brexiteers. Yes they may delay the process, but the make the governments negotiating position much stronger. If A127 is need to kick us out the SM, then that means the EU can't do it. If A50 can be reversed then we have a back out plan if the deal is not good.
A better chance of a good deal means a better chance of brexit actually happening, |
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The single market is one of the four essential interlinked freedoms that come with EU membership.
We voted out of that organisation. Anyway, it is not for the UK to decide. The EU will decide what kind of relationship they want with us once we have left. There are more than four "essential interlinked freedoms that come with EU membership", we're not going to lose all of them, neither have Iceland, specifically mentioned int he Leave pamphlet. |
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The same goes for my home city Stoke on Trent a place which is also traditionally Labour but voted leave in large numbers, Going on a lifetime of experience I really don't see our Tory 'friends' falling over themselves to help such areas post brexit, their usual response is one of intentional and vindictive spitefulness towards areas where they know they will never be popular. It is scary that so many of these people in such communities have been whipped up into hatred for the EU when it's the EU and its officials who have identified the disgusting failings of UK governments in their dealings with these communities over many generations, and has tried to do something to remedy it. It really is the stuff of despair. The hard-hearted part of me says bring it on and let them sink. They'll rue the day. But we're talking about real people and families and children ![]() And it's all been done to satisfy the ravings of revolting, right wing, xenophobic little islanders like Farage.
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The single market is one of the four essential interlinked freedoms that come with EU membership.
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Anyway, it is not for the UK to decide. The EU will decide what kind of relationship they want with us once we have left.
This is true.
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Precisely. It would be laughable were the situation not so extremely grave.
It is scary that so many of these people in such communities have been whipped up into hatred for the EU when it's the EU and its officials who have identified the disgusting failings of UK governments in their dealings with these communities over many generations, and has tried to do something to remedy it. It really is the stuff of despair. The hard-hearted part of me says bring it on and let them sink. They'll rue the day. But we're talking about real people and families and children ![]() And it's all been done to satisfy the ravings of revolting, right wing, xenophobic little islanders like Farage. ![]() An organisation that systematically ruins the future of its young people isn't really one worth celebrating. |
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Stop listening to the remainers, we will be leaving the putrid EU, if whining remainers still want to led around like sheep then they should go and live in their utopia.
just leave your country because you have the audacity to have an opinion I don't share. People who say such things will also quite often be the first to demand THEIR right to 'free speech' or to tell you how "proud they are to live in a 'free' country" Their version of 'freedom' seems to be based on the sort of 'freedom' which says "agree with me, do as I do,.... or leave" Whereas most reasonable people understand that 'freedom' means people have the right not to agree with you, or even with the majority. |
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Why can't remainers just accept the result. Project fear will damage the economy far more that Brexit
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Why can't remainers just accept the result. Project fear will damage the economy far more that Brexit
Pretty much every credible economic commentator agrees that Brexit will damage the economy, the few that don't offset that damage by removing regulation protecting workers and consumers or allow places like China to dump cheap goods on us destroying our own industries. |
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Why can't remainers just accept the result.
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Why can't remainers just accept the result. Project fear will damage the economy far more that Brexit
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I was never a diehard Leaver, in fact I was probably about 60/40 for Leave.
But I don't regret my decision at all. Indeed, the blatant attempts to overturn the Brexit vote by some people who just can't let go has only reinforced my view that I made the right decision. |
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Why can't remainers just accept the result. Project fear will damage the economy far more that Brexit
Still rubbishing our country and running it down six months on! |
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Why can't remainers just accept the result. Project fear will damage the economy far more that Brexit
You want brexit, fair enough, but have the balls to accept its going to damage the country to achieve your goal. If you think that is a price willing to pay then it just strengthens your conviction. |
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No, I haven't changed my mind.
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The only choices were "in" or "out."
There was nothing else. The majority voted out, so out we go. Did somebody think about it and decide that was best. No. It was in out because in out sounds catchy. That is just how dumbed down the political narrative has become. In out all the way out the harder the better. |
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I voted Leave, still strongly believe it was the right decision but I can see exactly where we are heading with the Referendum result.. we are going to exit the EU to please Leave voters but we will remain in the EU in all but name. Still have FOM, access to the single market.. but with no say on EU laws and in a worse position.
And I don't want to give the Remain voters the satisfaction of blaming Brexit and Leave voters for everything bad which happens.. when we probably won't get the Brexit the majority actually voted for (so both sides will end blaming each other which will end ugly) - the BIG elephant in the room which is what nearly everyone who voted Brexit wanted was an end to FOM which doesn't look likely with us still wanting single market access.. I'd much rather us wait until 2020 General Elections, elect a party/leader which is strong and will do Brexit properly (if we decide to go down that road) Anything else will hurt this country more than good, which I don't want. I'm not against staying in the EU if the only other option is a watered down version of what we have now with an even worse deal ! Anyone else agree? This time take the warnings that are out there about the options still being the same whoever is PM after the next general election. |
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Why can't remainers just accept the result. Project fear will damage the economy far more that Brexit
There are many who, like myself, are confused as to what it is that leave voters want, I refuse to think of leave or remain voters as some sort of 'hive minds' who all want the same thing and all agree with each other in the way many here tend to do, because it's simplistic, un-helpful, and quite frankly childish. It's is all the fault of Cameron and Johnson, the 'leaders' of the 2 opposing campaigns, the simple leave/stay question on the ballot paper is also a major factor in this chaotic farce, There is much talk from some leave voters about "remainers think we are stupid" MY belief is that quite clearly Cameron and his chums thought we were ALL too stupid to be able to grasp anything more than a yes/no question, that trying to get all the various options of leaving (or staying) into our thick plebeian skulls would be too much effort, and anyway, we would vote remain, Cameron would resign in victorious glory before the next election, Boris would be a shoe in for Dave's job based on his well organised and run losing leave campaign, with a glowing recommendation from his chum Dave, At least that was the plan, hence Dave's rapid run for the hills when it all went 'chest' up. |
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The only people saying that Leavers are regretting their decision are Remainers.
The desperation is palpable in the air. I saw someone on Twitter gleefully posting that Moors Murderer Ian Brady was a Brexiteer. Desperado. |
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The only people saying that Leavers are regretting their decision are Remainers.
The desperation is palpable in the air. I saw someone on Twitter gleefully posting that Moors Murderer Ian Brady was a Brexiteer. Desperado. |
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Agreed.
Still rubbishing our country and running it down six months on! |
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No.
I want Brexit to happen. Not only that I do not want FOM if that means without it no single market so be it after all that is what Cameron and Osborne said would happen if we voted Leave. |
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