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Old 12-12-2016, 14:48
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Ah, Brexit Britain, all bad news banned.
No just bored of remainers who are always highlighting the negative and none of the positive news we are getting.

Rubbishing our country and running it down - time they believed in Britain!
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:51
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No.

I want Brexit to happen.

Not only that I do not want FOM if that means without it no single market so be it after all that is what Cameron and Osborne said would happen if we voted Leave.
Yes, but we were also promised 350m a week and you certainly aren't getting that.
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:51
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Leavers were given lots of warnings about all this from lots of people before the referendum but would not listen.

This time take the warnings that are out there about the options still being the same whoever is PM after the next general election.
Massive misperception there.

We did listen and we voted leave because that is what we wanted to do.

The warnings were of no consequence they were warnings without substance they still are.
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:53
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Yes, but we were also promised 350m a week and you certainly aren't getting that.
No we weren't.
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:53
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No just bored of remainers who are always highlighting the negative and none of the positive news we are getting.

Rubbishing our country and running it down - time they believed in Britain!
We believe in a Britain that can help shape Europe to be a better place instead of one that runs away from its closest neighbours as soon as they're told by foreigners that it's getting difficult.
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:54
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Massive misperception there.

We did listen and we voted leave because that is what we wanted to do.

The warnings were of no consequence they were warnings without substance they still are.
That remains to be seen while we are still members.
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:55
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Read the official leave leaflet, it's mentioned many times; and there's this:

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/978061/img.jpg
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:56
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That remains to be seen while we are still members.
It does but you have proved my point they have no substance because it is might be, could be whatifferys.
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:57
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Massive misperception there.

We did listen and we voted leave because that is what we wanted to do.

The warnings were of no consequence they were warnings without substance they still are.
So growth isn't down, billions of taxpayer cash not pumped in to private firms to keep the economy going, growth down anyway, inflation not up, the pound isn't down?

That's the substance.
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:59
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Read the official leave leaflet, it's mentioned many times; and there's this:

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/978061/img.jpg
But it didn't say the NHS would get £350 million it suggested that if we didn't give the EU that amount we could fund the NHS more in the annual national budget.

Read it again.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:03
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But it didn't say the NHS would get £350 million it suggested that if we didn't give the EU that amount we could fund the NHS more in the annual national budget.
It said we could give the £350m to the NHS instead of the EU. Though of course we don't pay £350m to the EU.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:08
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But it didn't say the NHS would get £350 million it suggested that if we didn't give the EU that amount we could fund the NHS more in the annual national budget.

Read it again.
It's an imperative form of the verb. An order, if you like. Very useful in advertising. Says exactly what it claims.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:11
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But it didn't say the NHS would get £350 million it suggested that if we didn't give the EU that amount we could fund the NHS more in the annual national budget.

Read it again.
I didn't mention the NHS, just the 350m.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:11
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The NHS thing is true, we CAN give them more money that isn't used to fund the EU.. but that isn't up to Nigel Farage or Vote Leave, that is up to the government where they spend that extra dosh.

Farage said on Question Time the figure wasn't accurate but it was in the 100 millions we will have spare not paying the EU.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:13
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The NHS thing is true, we CAN give them more money that isn't used to fund the EU.. but that isn't up to Nigel Farage or Vote Leave, that is up to the government where they spend that extra dosh.

Farage said on Question Time the figure wasn't accurate but it was in the 100 millions we will have spare not paying the EU.
But there never was 350m to spend on anything in the first place.

And places like Cornwall, despite voting out, still want their 60m a year.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:24
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But there never was 350m to spend on anything in the first place.

And places like Cornwall, despite voting out, still want their 60m a year.
Don't forget south Wales!
The area that became an impoverished basket case under 'believe in Britain', until the EU had to intervene with Objective One!

Now going back to grovelling to tory english governments!... which will do sod all as they have done for 200 years.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:25
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But there never was 350m to spend on anything in the first place.

And places like Cornwall, despite voting out, still want their 60m a year.
You are in the school of "say it often enough and people will believe my lies".

Already on this thread, you have quoted that we were PROMISED £350m.
You have also said that a Leave vote would not necessarily take us out of the single market.

Please stop with your lies.

No one promised anything about where our contributions would end up.
But, you will accept that Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Johnson, Gisela Stuart and many others PROMISED you that a Leave vote would see the country leave the single market.

Now maybe Mrs May will negotiate the EU into free trade deals but that's up to the EU.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:27
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But there never was 350m to spend on anything in the first place.

And places like Cornwall, despite voting out, still want their 60m a year.
£350m a WEEK vs £60m a YEAR.

I think the country can find some money for the Cornish.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:32
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The NHS thing is true, we CAN give them more money that isn't used to fund the EU.. but that isn't up to Nigel Farage or Vote Leave, that is up to the government where they spend that extra dosh.

Farage said on Question Time the figure wasn't accurate but it was in the 100 millions we will have spare not paying the EU.
Soon after the referendum, Carswell suggested that £100m would go to the NHS.
Wouldn't people rather spend that money on UK hospitals rather than on French farmers?
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:44
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Nope, not changed my mind in fact more than ever do I believe the single market and FoM is compatible with Brexit.
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Old 12-12-2016, 15:46
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I voted Leave, still strongly believe it was the right decision but I can see exactly where we are heading with the Referendum result.. we are going to exit the EU to please Leave voters but we will remain in the EU in all but name. Still have FOM, access to the single market.. but with no say on EU laws and in a worse position.
Unfortunately, the confusion appears to be from the Remoaners as a way to fragment the leave vote...... we'll just have to see if it works.
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Old 12-12-2016, 16:15
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£350m a WEEK vs £60m a YEAR.

I think the country can find some money for the Cornish.
<sigh> Other counties are available.
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Old 12-12-2016, 16:16
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Unfortunately, the confusion appears to be from the Remoaners as a way to fragment the leave vote...... we'll just have to see if it works.
Oh please. The fragmentation has always been there and is worse than in any other vote.

All three (and I only have three) of my friends who voted leave are regretting it on the simple grounds that they disagree with the lack of statement guaranteeing the right to stay and live in the UK for EU citizens already here. In fact, they now call Vote.Leave liars as Gisela Stuart and BoJo said that rights would be guaranteed. One of them said they will pledge money if the case of deceiving the public will go to court.

Credit where credit is due though for Gisela Stuart - she is campaigning like no one else to make sure this happens, unfortunately she has no power.
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Old 12-12-2016, 16:19
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You are in the school of "say it often enough and people will believe my lies".

Already on this thread, you have quoted that we were PROMISED £350m.
You have also said that a Leave vote would not necessarily take us out of the single market.
But both of those are true. Leave said we would have an extra £350m to spend if we left the EU. And the Leave vote didn't mean we'd have to be out of the single market, though many expected that to be the case.
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Old 12-12-2016, 16:25
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You are in the school of "say it often enough and people will believe my lies".

Already on this thread, you have quoted that we were PROMISED £350m.
Look at the top of the "Why vote leave" page on the official leave campaign website:

"We will be able to save 350m a week"

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.html

No, we won't.
You have also said that a Leave vote would not necessarily take us out of the single market.
And that is true. Norway are in the single market but are not in the EU. We could, as the referendum suggested, "Leave the EU" and still remain in the single market.
Please stop with your lies.

No one promised anything about where our contributions would end up.
But, you will accept that Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Johnson, Gisela Stuart and many others PROMISED you that a Leave vote would see the country leave the single market.
Like I say, just like leave PROMISED that we could save 350m a week.
Now maybe Mrs May will negotiate the EU into free trade deals but that's up to the EU.
Maybe she will, but I suspect she doesn't want to go down in history as the PM who ignored almost every credible economic commentator and damaged the UK economy by taking us out of the single market.
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