Originally Posted by MrQuike:
“Maybe it's a black racist.”
“Maybe it's a black racist.”
A black, racist islamophobe. All we need now is to hear that he's gay, and some people on here's heads will explode.
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A black, racist islamophobe. All we need now is to hear that he's gay, and some people on here's heads will explode.
It's interesting that people just jumped to an assumption that the attacker "was white". That's why his skin colour is being mentioned on here. I know black people who can't stand Asians and some West Indian black people who hate Africans. Racism comes in several colours. Not that I'm saying attacking Muslims is "racist" as Muslims aren't a race obviously.
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Not really, no. When details are scarce on a breaking story, people are going to make comments and offer opinions based on what's available.
If that information changes then you would assume people's opinions would then subsequently. change.
Some people seem to delight in pointing out that people "jumped the gun" and got it wrong though ..”
“Not really, no. When details are scarce on a breaking story, people are going to make comments and offer opinions based on what's available.
If that information changes then you would assume people's opinions would then subsequently. change.
Some people seem to delight in pointing out that people "jumped the gun" and got it wrong though ..”
Indeed they do. And I'm pretty sure I've seen you do it a few times in the past.
Originally Posted by MrQuike:
“Confusing Muslim with being a race is not uncommon.”
“Confusing Muslim with being a race is not uncommon.”
It gets on my tits!!! And from what I've gathered it's only white people who seem to find it so hard to make this distinction which is why we have a thread of people surprised that the attacker was black. Yes, any race can hate muslims because MUSLIM IS NOT A RACE. Get it through your thick skulls!!!
Originally Posted by Armi:
“A black, racist islamophobe. All we need now is to hear that he's gay, and some people on here's heads will explode.”
“A black, racist islamophobe. All we need now is to hear that he's gay, and some people on here's heads will explode.”
He's not racist because MUSLIM IS NOT A RACE.
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“Interesting to see it's not being reported as a terrorist attack.
The attacker will be 'mentally ill' I presume?”
“Interesting to see it's not being reported as a terrorist attack.
The attacker will be 'mentally ill' I presume?”
I dont know why people demand these attacks to be deemed terrorist, just to balance things out.
There are regular attacks on all manner of people based on personal prejudices, but that doesn't make them terrorist crimes.
Many attacks by muslims are terrorist related, because they form part of a world wide campaign against people with different beliefs, and most of their victims are other muslims.
Originally Posted by Pink_Smurf:
“It's interesting that people just jumped to an assumption that the attacker "was white". That's why his skin colour is being mentioned on here. I know black people who can't stand Asians and some West Indian black people who hate Africans. Racism comes in several colours. Not that I'm saying attacking Muslims is "racist" as Muslims aren't a race obviously.”
“It's interesting that people just jumped to an assumption that the attacker "was white". That's why his skin colour is being mentioned on here. I know black people who can't stand Asians and some West Indian black people who hate Africans. Racism comes in several colours. Not that I'm saying attacking Muslims is "racist" as Muslims aren't a race obviously.”
There was the reported case of a black lady on a bus in London last year insulting and swearing at a woman in a hijab who deservedly got arrested. However the Guardian couldn't believe that a black person would be anti Muslim and posted many bizarre "identity politics" column pieces about it. They've got slightly better since.
Originally Posted by worzil:
“It doesn't matter what religion someone holds if they can do this sort of thing THEY ARE MENTALLY HILL .”
“It doesn't matter what religion someone holds if they can do this sort of thing THEY ARE MENTALLY HILL .”
It's certainly a slippery slope.
they are treating it as a hate crime, which sounds right to me.
shame the thread has been derailed by people jumping on the op`s back.
shame the thread has been derailed by people jumping on the op`s back.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“I dont know why people demand these attacks to be deemed terrorist, just to balance things out.
There are regular attacks on all manner of people based on personal prejudices, but that doesn't make them terrorist crimes.
Many attacks by muslims are terrorist related, because they form part of a world wide campaign against people with different beliefs, and most of their victims are other muslims.”
“I dont know why people demand these attacks to be deemed terrorist, just to balance things out.
There are regular attacks on all manner of people based on personal prejudices, but that doesn't make them terrorist crimes.
Many attacks by muslims are terrorist related, because they form part of a world wide campaign against people with different beliefs, and most of their victims are other muslims.”
I'm sure you're well aware that if it had been a Muslim person carrying out the attack, there would have been an immediate uproar on the forums and the news outlets.
It would have been described as a terrorist attack..carried out by a lone wolf.
There is no denying that there have been terrorist attacks by Muslims, however if a non Muslim goes into a public place to target a certain faith, then how else should that be described?
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“I'm sure you're well aware that if it had been a Muslim person carrying out the attack, there would have been an immediate uproar on the forums and the news outlets.
It would have been described as a terrorist attack..carried out by a lone wolf.
There is no denying that there have been terrorist attacks by Muslims, however if a non Muslim goes into a public place to target a certain faith, then how else should that be described?”
“I'm sure you're well aware that if it had been a Muslim person carrying out the attack, there would have been an immediate uproar on the forums and the news outlets.
It would have been described as a terrorist attack..carried out by a lone wolf.
There is no denying that there have been terrorist attacks by Muslims, however if a non Muslim goes into a public place to target a certain faith, then how else should that be described?”
Incidents should be described as they are.
Terrorist incidents are defined, and there is a world wide movement of islamic extremists carrying out these attacks everywhere. That cant be disputed.
Individuals who carry out personal attacks for revenge, prejudice, or whatever else are not terrorist incidents, unless they are carried out for the defined reasons.
Such attacks as this come under the umbrella of "hate crime", and rightly so, but you cant ask for attacks to be deemed terrorist attacks when they're not, just to balance something out.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Incidents should be described as they are.
Terrorist incidents are defined, and there is a world wide movement of islamic extremists carrying out these attacks everywhere. That cant be disputed.
Individuals who carry out personal attacks for revenge, prejudice, or whatever else are not terrorist incidents, unless they are carried out for the defined reasons.
Such attacks as this come under the umbrella of "hate crime", and rightly so, but you cant ask for attacks to be deemed terrorist attacks when they're not, just to balance something out.”
“Incidents should be described as they are.
Terrorist incidents are defined, and there is a world wide movement of islamic extremists carrying out these attacks everywhere. That cant be disputed.
Individuals who carry out personal attacks for revenge, prejudice, or whatever else are not terrorist incidents, unless they are carried out for the defined reasons.
Such attacks as this come under the umbrella of "hate crime", and rightly so, but you cant ask for attacks to be deemed terrorist attacks when they're not, just to balance something out.”
So if a Muslim carried out the same attack, screaming that he was going to kill non Muslims....then by your definition, that's not a terrorist attack?
Oh, wait...
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“So if a Muslim carried out the same attack, screaming that he was going to kill non Muslims....then by your definition, that's not a terrorist attack?
Oh, wait...”
“So if a Muslim carried out the same attack, screaming that he was going to kill non Muslims....then by your definition, that's not a terrorist attack?
Oh, wait...”
True Story.
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“So if a Muslim carried out the same attack, screaming that he was going to kill non Muslims....then by your definition, that's not a terrorist attack?
Oh, wait...”
“So if a Muslim carried out the same attack, screaming that he was going to kill non Muslims....then by your definition, that's not a terrorist attack?
Oh, wait...”
If it was a lone wolf who happened to be muslim not affiliated to any group like the guy in florida then no it wouldn't be considered an act of terrorism
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“If it was a lone wolf who happened to be muslim not affiliated to any group like the guy in florida then no it wouldn't be considered an act of terrorism”
“If it was a lone wolf who happened to be muslim not affiliated to any group like the guy in florida then no it wouldn't be considered an act of terrorism”
I doubt that very much.
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“So if a Muslim carried out the same attack, screaming that he was going to kill non Muslims....then by your definition, that's not a terrorist attack?
Oh, wait...”
“So if a Muslim carried out the same attack, screaming that he was going to kill non Muslims....then by your definition, that's not a terrorist attack?
Oh, wait...”
No. I didn't invent the definition, but often when we have had attacks by muslims, it has been in support of a terrorist cause.
I'm not sure why people have to argue this.
Whoever carries out such attacks are bad, but not always terrorist related.
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“I doubt that very much.”
“I doubt that very much.”
Why do you doubt it it? If something cant be defined as a terrorist incident, then it isn't one.
If you are going by posters on a forum claiming that, then that is a different matter, because people say all kind of things that are wrong online.
I don't know whether you're completely missing the point of what I'm saying on purpose, or if you're not understanding what I'm trying to put across.
If a Muslim person carries out an attack in the same circumstances, there is no question that they'd be described as a terrorist.
I remember the uproar on here when Jo Cox was murdered, and some folk here were livid that others were suggesting the scumbag who did it, was a terrorist.
If a Muslim person carries out an attack in the same circumstances, there is no question that they'd be described as a terrorist.
I remember the uproar on here when Jo Cox was murdered, and some folk here were livid that others were suggesting the scumbag who did it, was a terrorist.
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“I don't know whether you're completely missing the point of what I'm saying on purpose, or if you're not understanding what I'm trying to put across.
If a Muslim person carries out an attack in the same circumstances, there is no question that they'd be described as a terrorist.
I remember the uproar on here when Jo Cox was murdered, and some folk here were livid that others were suggesting the scumbag who did it, was a terrorist.”
“I don't know whether you're completely missing the point of what I'm saying on purpose, or if you're not understanding what I'm trying to put across.
If a Muslim person carries out an attack in the same circumstances, there is no question that they'd be described as a terrorist.
I remember the uproar on here when Jo Cox was murdered, and some folk here were livid that others were suggesting the scumbag who did it, was a terrorist.”
You're obviously entirely correct and as you suggest it's most likely purposeful misinterpretation on their part.
What illustrates your point perfectly is that when an act of violence such as this is perpetrated it's often assumed they'll be muslim, let alone that it will then be assumed as an act of terror in the name of Islam.
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“I doubt that very much.”
“I doubt that very much.”
You doubting that doesn't make it not true.
Originally Posted by MrQuike:
“Maybe it's a black racist.”
“Maybe it's a black racist.”
No such thing! Only "White" folk can be racist.
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“I don't know whether you're completely missing the point of what I'm saying on purpose, or if you're not understanding what I'm trying to put across.
If a Muslim person carries out an attack in the same circumstances, there is no question that they'd be described as a terrorist.
I remember the uproar on here when Jo Cox was murdered, and some folk here were livid that others were suggesting the scumbag who did it, was a terrorist.”
“I don't know whether you're completely missing the point of what I'm saying on purpose, or if you're not understanding what I'm trying to put across.
If a Muslim person carries out an attack in the same circumstances, there is no question that they'd be described as a terrorist.
I remember the uproar on here when Jo Cox was murdered, and some folk here were livid that others were suggesting the scumbag who did it, was a terrorist.”
I think you are proving my point about people on forums who rant about something without understanding it.
There is a definition of what terrorism is, and if an attack falls under that definition, it is what it is. If it doesn't, it isn't.
Like all other creeds, muslims are guilty of many assaults every year, and the vast majority are nothing to do with terrorism.
As for the Jo Cox killing, the charge was murder, which is far more serious than any terrorist offence.
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“I think you are proving my point about people on forums who rant about something without understanding it.
There is a definition of what terrorism is, and if an attack falls under that definition, it is what it is. If it doesn't, it isn't.
Like all other creeds, muslims are guilty of many assaults every year, and the vast majority are nothing to do with terrorism.
As for the Jo Cox killing, the charge was murder, which is far more serious than any terrorist offence.”
“I think you are proving my point about people on forums who rant about something without understanding it.
There is a definition of what terrorism is, and if an attack falls under that definition, it is what it is. If it doesn't, it isn't.
Like all other creeds, muslims are guilty of many assaults every year, and the vast majority are nothing to do with terrorism.
As for the Jo Cox killing, the charge was murder, which is far more serious than any terrorist offence.”
You said it...
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