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You're a perfect example of what I said. It is not 'opinion' that the show's Saturday premiere has lost 1.5M viewers and audience share despite all of the BBC3 repeats being axed for appalling viewing figures. All spin-offs were axed, and the latest attempt at a spin-off went down like a cup of cold sick. Magazine circulations being down with some being axed or reduced is not 'an opinion' either, nor is lower AI ratings, no mention at the NTAs, no longer anywhere near the number 1 Christmas Day ratings slot (even in the finals), not being the highest monthly iPlayer show for years or any of the other things I mentioned.
It is you who are confusing fact with your own emotional bias for the show. My only opinion is that the production of the show has turned into a real life version of the play, The Critic, with Moffat as Puff, Gatiss as Plagiary and Charlie Brooker as Sneer. The last few years of Doctor Who have been as unfinished/unexplained/unsatisfying as Puff's play about the Spanish Armada. He actually said he'd reduced it to a cinder rather than blew it up. I suppose the ruined atmosphere could have been the result of a fireball that engulfed the planet. Why the Daleks couldn't continue living there despite birds happily flapping around in the acid rain is beyond me though. But Moffat has a habit of setting big things up, only to throw them away in the very next episode, or at least the next connection episode. Not only did he do this with the Daleks forgetting the Doctor, he did it with the quest for Gallifrey, after a constant rhetoric throughout 2013 that the 50th was all about setting up the show for the next 50 years rather than looking at the last 50. It was generally accepted by experts on Internet forums at the time that whilst the first 50 years was about the Doctor running away from Gallifrey, the next 50 would thus be about him going back to it again. That whole concept managed to last a whopping 32 days, until the next Christmas special where he found it again. And then it just brought itself back without any explanation. Truly, a Tragedy Rehearsed. |
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But all shows have lost viewers
Doctor Who regularly gets under 20% audience share these days, and that's without any BBC3 repeats to detract from the BBC1 audience anymore. It also no longer dominates the iPlayer, like it used to. When was it last the highest rating programme on a Saturday night, like it used to be? |
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Perhaps the word genius is not used, but there is a definite feeling that some posters see criticism of Moffat as unjustified, and that we are lucky to have such a wonderful writer/showrunner.
I've struggled to avoid mentioning Moffat in posts where I'm critical of DW because I know someone will soon accuse me of Moffat bashing if I say something is downright bad. They don't take the criticism on board, however justified, but turn it round to blame the poster. In their eyes, we're not saying we dislike something because it's bad, and by implication Moffat is rubbish - we think Moffat is rubbish and therefore everything he's done is bad! It's ludicrous! Even worse is the rather patronising implication that if we say we don't think much of episodes such as Heaven Sent, for example, it's because they are far too intellectually challenging for us thickos to appreciate. I agree about the Beast Below; it made no sense on any level. I think it's when I felt the first twinge of concern that Moffat's reign might not be the unalloyed joy that I had expected. ![]() I justified why I said it at the time because you were having a pop at Moffat in a thread about Torchwood. A show that he's had naff all to do with. You or anyone else can be as critical of his work as you like but sometimes it just feels to me that people go out of their way to have a dig at him and blame him for everything, even when it's nothing to do with him. And just to try and show once again that I'm some sort of sycophant, who can't take any criticism of Moffat's work, I thought that the Return of Doctor Mysterio was crap. But never mind about the sorry state of Doctor Who, what about the sorry state of these forums? People used to be able to have a laugh and some banter. There used to the Whooie Inn. Things never used to be taken so seriously and it used to be fun. But as Tegan's Aunt Vanesa once said "If it stop's being fun then I should just f*** off" or something like that so I shall return to my self imposed exile. |
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Seriously?!? It was sodding months ago that I mentioned Moffat bashing and I've barely said a word on the forums since. Talk about holding onto a grudge!
I justified why I said it at the time because you were having a pop at Moffat in a thread about Torchwood. A show that he's had naff all to do with. You or anyone else can be as critical of his work as you like but sometimes it just feels to me that people go out of their way to have a dig at him and blame him for everything, even when it's nothing to do with him. And just to try and show once again that I'm some sort of sycophant, who can't take any criticism of Moffat's work, I thought that the Return of Doctor Mysterio was crap. But never mind about the sorry state of Doctor Who, what about the sorry state of these forums? People used to be able to have a laugh and some banter. There used to the Whooie Inn. Things never used to be taken so seriously and it used to be fun. But as Tegan's Aunt Vanesa once said "If it stop's being fun then I should just f*** off" or something like that so I shall return to my self imposed exile. This forum has lost some great members who were fair and balanced in their discussion of Moffat- they've been sneakily gotten rid of by the negative voices to the point that this place was becoming a sad punchline to a joke no-one ever wanted to tell. I loved the last Xmas special. You didnt. Lets discuss it properly. Thats what its all about isnt it? Lets bring THOSE days back instead of the destructive self hatred that seems so prevalent at the moment.
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This forum has lost some great members who were fair and balanced in their discussion of Moffat- they've been sneakily gotten rid of by the negative voices to the point that this place was becoming a sad punchline to a joke no-one ever wanted to tell. I loved the last Xmas special. You didnt. Lets discuss it properly. Thats what its all about isnt it? Lets bring THOSE days back instead of the destructive self hatred that seems so prevalent at the moment.