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What should the next referendum be?
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thenetworkbabe
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pencil:
“It should be to fix the voting system at general elections.

It's not fair that UKIP won 12.6% of the vote and gained 1 MP, while the SNP won only 4.7% of the vote, gained 56 MPs and are now calling shots where Brexit's concerned.”

Thats because the SNP managed to get the biggest vote in 56 seats,in many getting over 50% of the vote. In the other 560 seats available to UKIP, there was only one where more people wanted UKIP than anyone else. And that guy was an ex Tory ,and is in perpetual dispute with his UKIP leaders.

The alternative would force UKIP MPs on seats where they represented a small group of voters and many people thought they were obnoxious, or fascist.

And in parliamentary terms it would make the country ungovernable- as no one would have a majority , no one would enter a coalition with UKIP or the SNP , and the UKIP and Green tails would be demanding to tell the rest of the UK dog where to go, and in opposite directions.
Tanky
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“What are you on about? So the likes of Doctor Who, Top Gear, Happy Valley and The Fall don't bring in lots of money? And the whole point of public service television is that they provide some minority programming that wouldn't be served by commercial broadcasters.”

I guess I should have said not enough. Yes there's Doctor Who and other shows, but say Doctor Who for example, which is often goes into the off season in the winter, but what series takes it place? Sure, recently Class spin off, filled a slot, but much of the time there isn't another series with the same sort of presence.

The demand for creative drama TV series, is booming. The BBC should, actually needs to generate more dramas, to grab more of the pie so to speak. Worldwide, networks and content providers, are all pumping out TV drama series, and the BBC can benefit from more of that market. Netflix and Amazon, are investing heavily into content creation, mainly into dramas, because people want stories and the demand is huge. Even the Canadian branch of the Discovery Channel, released it's first scripted drama, called Frontier, which stars Jason Momoa. So why not have the BBC, generate more drama content, which it can sell and generate profit for the UK?
jjwales
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“Yet when we had a vote on AV ( the first and only referendum which would have been legally binding as opposed to advisory) only 42% turnout of which 68% turned it down.”

Perhaps because it wasn't offering much of a change. PR would be a massive change in comparison.
GTR Davo
12-12-2016
Should the United Kingdom become the 51st state of the United States of America and make Britain great again?

YES

NO
Lyricalis
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by GTR Davo:
“Should the United Kingdom become the 51st state of the United States of America and make Britain great again?

YES

NO”

Followed by one asking if we should build a wall down the middle of the English Channel and get the EU to pay for it.
Aristaeus
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Tanky:
“I guess I should have said not enough. Yes there's Doctor Who and other shows, but say Doctor Who for example, which is often goes into the off season in the winter, but what series takes it place? Sure, recently Class spin off, filled a slot, but much of the time there isn't another series with the same sort of presence.

The demand for creative drama TV series, is booming. The BBC should, actually needs to generate more dramas, to grab more of the pie so to speak. Worldwide, networks and content providers, are all pumping out TV drama series, and the BBC can benefit from more of that market. Netflix and Amazon, are investing heavily into content creation, mainly into dramas, because people want stories and the demand is huge. Even the Canadian branch of the Discovery Channel, released it's first scripted drama, called Frontier, which stars Jason Momoa. So why not have the BBC, generate more drama content, which it can sell and generate profit for the UK?”

If the Tories weren't bleeding the BBC dry, then I'm sure they would.
alan29
12-12-2016
Two alternatives for funding social care.
Government should do the research, cost it and let the people choose how to fund it.
speigel
12-12-2016
A referendum to dissolve the house of lords! (preferably in acid)
MidnightFalcon
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lyricalis:
“Should misleading voters in a referendum campaign become a criminal offence?

It's a shame that this couldn't be made retrospective.”

Indeed, our entire political class and most of the media would be in the slammer.
Sexbomb
12-12-2016
How to get rid of the nasty uncaring on the sick Tory party.
Lyricalis
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by MidnightFalcon:
“Indeed, our entire political class and most of the media would be in the slammer. ”

Best place for many of them. It wasn't even as if it was just one side.
Resonance
12-12-2016
We should definitely have a referendum on PR voting. The problem with the AV referendum was people from both sides voted against. The ones who wanted to protect the status quo and others who wanted proper PR.

I voted for AV, as although it wasn't proper PR I saw it as a stepping stone.
BRITLAND
12-12-2016
Bring back capital punishment for murder, serial and child rape, terrorism and serious cases paedophilia because Britain wants it and it also fits with British culture and represents who we all are as a country. The United States also does it and plays a major role to why they are the global powerhouse and why they are the most respected nation on the planet.

Have three referendums on it (one for England & Wales, one for Scotland and one for Northern Ireland).
dave666
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sexbomb:
“How to get rid of the nasty uncaring on the sick Tory party.”

If they fail to deliver on Brexit that may well happen we will see the rise of UKIP
Lyricalis
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by BRITLAND:
“Bring back capital punishment for murder, serial and child rape, terrorism and serious cases paedophilia because Britain wants it and it also fits with British culture and represents who we all are as a country. The United States also does it and plays a major role to why they are the global powerhouse and why they are the most respected nation on the planet.

Have three referendums on it (one for England & Wales, one for Scotland and one for Northern Ireland).”

You're saying that the state murdering people is part of British culture? I really would leave the country if we did have a referendum on that issue and capital punishment came back. It's an abhorrent thing that no civilised country should ever do.
BRITLAND
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lyricalis:
“You're saying that the state murdering people is part of British culture? I really would leave the country if we did have a referendum on that issue and capital punishment came back. It's an abhorrent thing that no civilised country should ever do.”

But the US and Japan do it, they are civilised countries.

Plus you could always move up North to Scotland as cocaine dealing face kranky Nicola would block it returning to the Scottish criminal justice system despite the fact that while England hung the witches, Scotland burnt the witches.
Mesostim
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aristaeus:
“Surely you mean monkey tennis.”

He brings himself back a lot I;ve heard
skp20040
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by BRITLAND:
“Bring back capital punishment for murder, serial and child rape, terrorism and serious cases paedophilia because Britain wants it and it also fits with British culture and represents who we all are as a country. The United States also does it and plays a major role to why they are the global powerhouse and why they are the most respected nation on the planet.

Have three referendums on it (one for England & Wales, one for Scotland and one for Northern Ireland).”

If Capital Punishment works how come all those countries with it have not seen an end to capital crimes ? how come the USA has so many people on death row ? Do you seriously believe the reason the USA is a strong nation and you feel the most respected ( I would disagree with both) is because they kill people in the name of the state ?

Britain wants it , since when did we want people killed by the state as revenge punishment because that is all it is. The death penalty does not help the victim, it does not help the victims family (they may feel temporary relief but not for long ) all it does is allows the criminal to escape after a few minutes at the end of a rope , they should be made to sit in prison and remember why they are there . More life sentences meaning life for the worst criminals but not the death penalty, not only are we better than that at least if someone is wrongfully convicted they can be released from prison, you can bring them back once you have killed them
Tanky
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by BRITLAND:
“But the US and Japan do it, they are civilised countries. ”

In Japan, it's only for multiple murders according to wiki.

in the US, not all states have the death penalty, it's only when a case becomes federal, that states without the death penalty, will be given such a sentence. No other western country has the death penalty.
BRITLAND
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“If Capital Punishment works how come all those countries with it have not seen an end to capital crimes ? how come the USA has so many people on death row ? Do you seriously believe the reason the USA is a strong nation and you feel the most respected ( I would disagree with both) is because they kill people in the name of the state ?

Britain wants it , since when did we want people killed by the state as revenge punishment because that is all it is. The death penalty does not help the victim, it does not help the victims family (they may feel temporary relief but not for long ) all it does is allows the criminal to escape after a few minutes at the end of a rope , they should be made to sit in prison and remember why they are there . More life sentences meaning life for the worst criminals but not the death penalty, not only are we better than that at least if someone is wrongfully convicted they can be released from prison, you can bring them back once you have killed them”

It fits perfectly with British culture imo, plus I like seeing the likes of Mick Philpott getting hanged, beheaded or fried on the yellow mama electric chair, it gives me pleasure so to the rest of the UK. Only brainwashed SNP voters from Glasgow don't get that because of stupid Nicola.
Radlestort
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jellied Eel:
“Remove 'y' from all days of the week. People shouldn't be asking y, just doing as they're told. Nanny has spoken.”

Just as well Gina Miller had the guts to ask Y, isn't it?
Tanky
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by BRITLAND:
“It fits perfectly with British culture imo, plus I like seeing the likes of Mick Philpott getting hanged, beheaded or fried on the yellow mama electric chair, it gives me pleasure so to the rest of the UK. Only brainwashed SNP voters from Glasgow don't get that because of stupid Nicola.”

The death penalty is a bad idea for the UK, especially when the police could get it badly wrong. There's also the appeal process, when it can get over turned, which will divide people on the matter, on whether the person should have been killed. Judges aren't exactly flawless beings neither, and they could end up giving a death penalty when a lesser sentence was enough.

In any case, even the US doesn't have the death penalty across all the states. So why should the UK adopt this? When every other western country apart from the US, does not have the death penalty.
BRITLAND
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Tanky:
“The death penalty is a bad idea for the UK, especially when the police could get it badly wrong. There's also the appeal process, when it can get over turned, which will divide people on the matter, on whether the person should have been killed. Judges aren't exactly flawless beings neither, and they could end up giving a death penalty when a lesser sentence was enough.

In any case, even the US doesn't have the death penalty across all the states. So why should the UK adopt this? When every other western country apart from the US, does not have the death penalty.”

I'm amazed by all the loony lefties in this thread! The UK is (or England & Wales at the very least) is the Texas of Europe (whether in or out of EU). It's in our DNA
MARTYM8
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by speigel:
“A referendum to dissolve the house of lords! (preferably in acid)”

A referendum as you suggest to introduce An elected Senate to replace the House of Lords elected by STV from multi member seats.

As a start those 104 Lib Dem peers really need to go - their numbers are way out of proportion with their vote share.
skp20040
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“A referendum as you suggest to introduce An elected Senate to replace the House of Lords elected by STV from multi member seats.

As a start those 104 Lib Dem peers really need to go - their numbers are way out of proportion with their vote share.”

The problem is an elected upper house on a STV/PR basis could have the house seen as more legit than the House of Commons. But if we did have an elected upper chamber I would like to keep the name the House of Lords, it is part of history and for all the ones we do not like there are those with a wealth of experience . In fact I would also say anyone standing for the upper house should not have been an MP and should come from varied backgrounds and work experience.
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