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Old 12-12-2016, 19:16
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38291484

Who's side are you on in this little argument?
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:25
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Entertaining bit of pre-Christmas fluff.
Clever management from Klopp but deep down he must know that his two main goalkeepers are neither good enough.
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:26
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The side of the adults

So ignoring both sides and taking it for the normal media lead rubbish that sadly surrounds the game today.
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:26
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The Neville Brothers, obviously, because all they are doing is saying what everyone already knows - that Karius is rubbish.

Klopp is obviously never going to admit to that. But, same as what he did with Mignolet, he'll quietly buy a replacement in the summer.
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:26
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Maybe im mistaken but im sure i heard Carragher say something like "shut up and do your job" to the liverpool keeper as well but no-one is taking him to task for it
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:28
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Klopp, of course.

I'm just going to copy my post from the neutral thread.



Klopp generally doesn't take notice of the media, when he can help it. He was asked about it in a press conference and so answered it.

In fact, when he was asked, he said he doesn't care, and said he doesn't want to answer, because anything he says would create headlines. And he was asked again, and still didn't want to answer. And later on he was asked again, about the criticism, and then spoke about the pundits being former players and how they should understand the effect criticism has on a player.

I don't think there was anything wrong or precious in what he actually says. They kept asking and eventually got an answer. His comment on Gary Neville's time as manager was about him understanding criticism.
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:40
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I'm on the side of whoever wants this sort of shite as far away from the football news as possible.

From the goals and what I saw of the Bournemouth match, there were a lot more people at fault than the goalkeeper.
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:42
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I'm on the side of whoever wants this sort of shite as far away from the football news as possible.

From the goals and what I saw of the Bournemouth match, there were a lot more people at fault than the goalkeeper.
Yep. Klopp has said this, multiple times, in fact, whenever a journalist singles out a player for criticism or points out a costly error a player made.
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:49
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Klopp, of course.

I'm just going to copy my post from the neutral thread.



Klopp generally doesn't take notice of the media, when he can help it. He was asked about it in a press conference and so answered it.

In fact, when he was asked, he said he doesn't care, and said he doesn't want to answer, because anything he says would create headlines. And he was asked again, and still didn't want to answer. And later on he was asked again, about the criticism, and then spoke about the pundits being former players and how they should understand the effect criticism has on a player.

I don't think there was anything wrong or precious in what he actually says. They kept asking and eventually got an answer. His comment on Gary Neville's time as manager was about him understanding criticism.

I am sure that there are plent of people who look at the journalism there as very good and persistent, eventually getting some good comment and "a story."

I look at it, as being a bit thick and disingenuous too.
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Old 12-12-2016, 20:23
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In the Neville thread i took pelters from the forum when I suggested that Gary's abysmal record as a manager would be thrown in his face if he dared be a pundit again.

It's taken until December for me to be proven correct, as klopp has thrown nevilles managerial record back at him.

I told you so.
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Old 12-12-2016, 20:29
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I'm on no ones side, the only one who should shut up is Carragher, his remarks about the keeper shutting up were just childish and not at all incite-full
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Old 12-12-2016, 20:34
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In the Neville thread i took pelters from the forum when I suggested that Gary's abysmal record as a manager would be thrown in his face if he dared be a pundit again.

It's taken until December for me to be proven correct, as klopp has thrown nevilles managerial record back at him.

I told you so.
Not sure what "pelters" are but sounds like something from a school playground but people disagreed with the importance of if happening and why it should make any difference and that is still the case, it's irrelevant nonsense stocked up by a dumbed down media serving a even more dumber downed audience.
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Old 12-12-2016, 20:45
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In the Neville thread i took pelters from the forum when I suggested that Gary's abysmal record as a manager would be thrown in his face if he dared be a pundit again.

It's taken until December for me to be proven correct, as klopp has thrown nevilles managerial record back at him.

I told you so.
You also got your knickers in a twist when Everton refused to sell John Stones to Chelsea. They should know their place you said, now he's at City and struggling a bit you are basking in his misfortune.

Full circle turnaround.

A little like Jose going from hero to zero.

It must be difficult to know which mast to nail the flag to at times when it comes to who is next in line for your ire.
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Old 12-12-2016, 20:54
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I dont have an issue with Gary Neville being critical of the Loris Karius. He has been fault in the last two games of costing Liverpool the victory. However it has to be a balanced view that the keeper is young and did make some good saves.

I do have an issue with Phil Neville telling Loris he should keep is mouth shut. That is out of order it does not matter how young Loris is he has a right to speak out and reply to to Gary's view. Phil should have kept out of the issue to be honest.

Klopp is also right to throw the management record back at them. The pundits should not excluded from comments managers make. You have to question in the light of the awful management skills he showed what right he has as a pundit to make any comment. I have far more respect for Klopp who has managed at the highest level on merit not because he was mates with the chairman.
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Old 12-12-2016, 21:04
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Valencia are currently 17th in La Liga so I'm not quite sure Gary failed as a manager. it seems there are big problems at that club currently. Anyway, regardless of whether he failed as a manager or not, he's still a top pundit and he is right in his assessments of Karius.

Honestly, are we going to have footballers constantly trade blows in the media with pundits who criticise them? If so, we are in for a long long ride and not a very entertaining one. Neville heavily criticised DDG when he was 19 and he took it on the chin.

I also agree with Phil telling him to shut up and do his job. It was very blunt but Gary is not playing football anymore, Karius is and he's the one who'll be affected more by this. He's going to make more mistakes in games and it will be highlighted even more because of this whole debacle.
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Old 12-12-2016, 21:04
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I do have an issue with Phil Neville telling Loris he should keep is mouth shut. That is out of order .
I hope you have the same opinion of Jamie Carragher telling the keeper to "shut up and do your job" as well?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a7468741.html
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Old 12-12-2016, 21:31
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It's not a surprise to me at all that Klopp chose to defend his player and divert some of the negative attention onto himself. Watching the press conferences, I can see he's become more and more agitated every time someone has singled out Karius for criticism in the past few weeks.

Karius really should keep quiet in my opinion though. Neville's a pundit, part of his job is to criticise or praise players, which he usually does in a balanced way. The best way for players to silence their critics is with good performances.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:36
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Klopp commands respect and goes against the grain, even picking Firmino who got a load of pelters here as a waste of money flop about two minutes after he signed
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:38
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I hope you have the same opinion of Jamie Carragher telling the keeper to "shut up and do your job" as well?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a7468741.html

He should do what carragher tells him, or he will try and arrange to have him assaulted, like he did with that player in his autobiography.

The pundits with the biggest mouths seem to have the shortest memory.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:43
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Personally, I feel like what Klopp has done here is deflect attention onto himself. Not as many people are talking about Karius anymore....they're talking about Klopp.

It's a smart move, and he's done a fair bit in protecting his player. Obviously Karius won't be fully protected until he starts putting in better performances, but there's not as much focus on Karius now as there was yesterday evening, because the media are too busy lapping up this make-believe war.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:50
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Agreed. I like Karius standing up for himself, but it means every little hesitation and mistake would be scrutinised more than it normally would, so Klopp has been very wily with this.
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Old 12-12-2016, 23:16
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Klopp is very consistent in press conferences. He's personable to a fault and journos probably love him because he gives expansive answers and comes across first and foremost as a fan of football. A not unconnected result of his technique is he gets to control the room. One topic he is never expansive on is giving either praise or negative feedback on individual players which is why the Nevilles' feedback got short shrift.

Not long ago he was asked what kind of footballer Coutinho was. "Good" was the reply. Asked to expand he said "Very good"!

Mourinho should take a leaf out of his book. When he was being hounded to speak about the choice of referee for the match at Anfield he should have chastised the journalist for urging him to break league rules by speaking about an official before the match. Call him out on it instead of taking the bait.
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Old 12-12-2016, 23:42
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I'm on no ones side, the only one who should shut up is Carragher, his remarks about the keeper shutting up were just childish and not at all incite-full
Last week us LFC fans (and Carra is for the purposes of this debate is just that) had a shocking experience when a team who we had played off the park for large portions of the game - in the first half as the home team they hardly got into our half never mind threatened to score - some how beat us. Our keeper who has played very few games for us was at fault - again - in the say 10 games he has played he has shown next to nothing in terms of ability to do the job letting in several easy goals and always punching (or flapping really) at crosses putting the fear of God into LFC fans every time the ball goes near our goal

That is a worry and could be the reason why our PL challenge falls by the wayside so Carra says so - and Neville agrees. They are both spot on. What Karius should then do is keep quiet and do his talking on the pitch - that is how players at good teams conduct themselves - how we as LFC fans expect him to react - but last week this lad seemed to think it was a good idea to have a go back in the media.

Then the next game he is once again rubbish being at fault for both the opposition goals which led to further lost points - that is why Carra told him to shut up and do his job - and as a LFC fan i would tell him exactly the same. Forget about interviews, concentrate a bit more on being a better keeper and stopping the ball going into our net - please!!
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Old 12-12-2016, 23:52
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Re Klopps role i have not seen the press conference - only the quotes. I am far less critical of Klopp and it seems as if he was almost goaded into making a comment about it - he did not go into the conference looking to say what he did. I like him standing up for his players in public, but i also hope he does leave Karius out soon (Wed V Boro for instance!!) as that would be the best move for everyone - Karius himself, and the LFC title challenge.

And yes i do think we are still title challengers - if the team who is 3rd say in early December when they are just 6 points behind that their challenge has gone then that sends out all the wrong messages. Yes it will be hard, yes we need better defensive performances and to stop leaking silly goals almost every game but we are still in it - as i think all the top 5 are
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Old 13-12-2016, 01:10
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In 1350 both Klopp and the Neville brothers would be drowned.
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