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I find it interesting that Neville's managerial career, however brief is thrown at him yet Carra who hasn't managed at all yet isn't questioned and referred to as a fan.
This is just a manager defending his players from the media, who have been critical of one his players. It's been pointed out else where I'm sure how similar in some ways this is of De Gea's first season in English football, the media also had a go at Schmeichel when he first came to United. The English game is still has more crosses and physical than mainland Europe and it takes time to adjust. If Karius turns the corner, and is then praised by Neville for his improvement will Karius and Klopp say anything?? I doubt it, so as the saying goes, today's newspaper, tomorrows fish and chip paper. |
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I find it interesting that Neville's managerial career, however brief is thrown at him yet Carra who hasn't managed at all yet isn't questioned and referred to as a fan.
Neville has proved that he is no manager, that he cannot pick or motivate players, that he can only talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. Klopp is correct when he tells neville he has no right to criticize, as his record proves he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Neville is no better than amateur fans on this forum, its just that his name recognition gets him a mouthpiece. |
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Neville has failed in management twice. With England, being assistant manager over a complete international disaster and of course his time in spain where he had the worst record of a manager in their history, and was boo'ed by his own fans.
Neville has proved that he is no manager, that he cannot pick or motivate players, that he can only talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. Klopp is correct when he tells neville he has no right to criticize, as his record proves he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Neville is no better than amateur fans on this forum, its just that his name recognition gets him a mouthpiece. Neville had it right: 'I'm not a chef, but I know a good steak.' I suggest that you familiarise yourself with the role of a pundit. |
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Absolute horse.
Neville had it right: 'I'm not a chef, but I know a good steak.' I suggest that you familiarise yourself with the role of a pundit. |
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Exactly, he knows what he is talking about in this situation, so quite why people are saying Gary is in the wrong here, heaven only knows.
When he has been in that situation he failed miserably. |
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Why does he know?
When he has been in that situation he failed miserably. Neither need to have any skill sets in the other field to do their job |
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what you have chosen to fail to understand is they are two different jobs and have nothing to do with each other.
Neither need to have any skill sets in the other field to do their job |
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so ex players make better pundits than ex managers?
The pundits job is to put across their views and reasoning behind those views regardless of anyone agreeing or disagreeing with them. The people who make better pundits are those who can do so, It's not about their former jobs, For example JT,Lamps,Messi and Ronaldo would make IMO awful pundits, In regards to managers Clough made a very good pundit where as another top manager would make a awful pundit (Wenger for example). The best people who make pundits are the people who can go in front of a camera and come across well, It don't matter if you are a former player/manager etc or what level you did that previous job at. The jobs are very different and require a different skill set and mentality. They are there to put across their views nothing else nothing more. Since this pundit has done it in a way you understand he has done a very good job. |
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You can be a bit crap at something yet still know how it should be done. Look at Pep, who needs to learn a thing or two about defending if he ever wants to win at the footballs
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But Neville doesn't come across well on camera, neither does carragher, who at times seems barely literate.
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You can be a bit crap at something yet still know how it should be done. Look at Pep, who needs to learn a thing or two about defending if he ever wants to win at the footballs
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But Neville doesn't come across well on camera, neither does carragher, who at times seems barely literate.
Most football fans seem to say he is very good at this job, Maybe it's his Utd connection that is the reasoning behind your opinion? Whenever I have seen him he looks quite comfortable in front of the camera and seems to be doing a good job. |
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Why do you keep on baiting batdude?
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Why did you call someone out for spelling it 'Pepe'?
To compare that with your constant, day after day baiting of batdude is very odd indeed. Could you go a day without baiting him? |
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No, you knew exactly who the obvious typo was in reference to and were clearly trolling someone you are in constant disagreement with. Very odd indeed, right
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Neville has failed in management twice. With England, being assistant manager over a complete international disaster and of course his time in spain where he had the worst record of a manager in their history, and was boo'ed by his own fans.
Neville has proved that he is no manager, that he cannot pick or motivate players, that he can only talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. Klopp is correct when he tells neville he has no right to criticize, as his record proves he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Neville is no better than amateur fans on this forum, its just that his name recognition gets him a mouthpiece. Just out of curiosity, how many managers are comprehensive success in the first job they take, more so in arguably the best league in the world, and not knowing the language? If you have the the many examples please show us. |
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Is t it odd that the tv co panties on,y employ pundits with huge name recognition?
It's nothing to do with how well they can broadcast or how they can transfer their insight. Why can't we have pundits who were not pl players, or players at all? Just insightful broadcasters. After all, you don't have to be. Chef to appreciate a good steak. |
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Is t it odd that the tv co panties on,y employ pundits with huge name recognition?
It's nothing to do with how well they can broadcast or how they can transfer their insight. Why can't we have pundits who were not pl players, or players at all? Just insightful broadcasters. After all, you don't have to be. Chef to appreciate a good steak. We have insightful broadcasters or ones that many people seem to think are. Just because you disagree with their insights is not important, They give THEIR views in very insightful way, People agreeing with them is not part of the job This is why some are used regularly and some are not. Someone like Neville is used as often as he is being used (and was given his job back when he left) because he is popular with the viewer. |
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we need you on TV codeblue
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we need you on TV codeblue
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Is t it odd that the tv co panties on,y employ pundits with huge name recognition?
It's nothing to do with how well they can broadcast or how they can transfer their insight. Why can't we have pundits who were not pl players, or players at all? Just insightful broadcasters. After all, you don't have to be. Chef to appreciate a good steak. As it happens, I agree with your general point in bold. I'd be more than happy to see more well-informed journalists given punditry gigs. However, there's obviously some 'pulling power' when it comes to ex-players. You've only got to look at Sky's cricket broadcasting line-up to see that. I think that they're all former players. |
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Re above, some of the European football journalists on bt champions league coverage are excellent
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Re above, some of the European football journalists on bt champions league coverage are excellent
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I always liked Gab Marcotti, don't know if anyone still uses him. On the other side, Sky have an occasional habit of using print journalists who aren't much better than Robbie Savage, with the main difference being they definitely know how to write.
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I always liked Gab Marcotti, don't know if anyone still uses him. On the other side, Sky have an occasional habit of using print journalists who aren't much better than Robbie Savage, with the main difference being they definitely know how to write.
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