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Old 13-12-2016, 09:35
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I find it interesting that Neville's managerial career, however brief is thrown at him yet Carra who hasn't managed at all yet isn't questioned and referred to as a fan.

This is just a manager defending his players from the media, who have been critical of one his players. It's been pointed out else where I'm sure how similar in some ways this is of De Gea's first season in English football, the media also had a go at Schmeichel when he first came to United. The English game is still has more crosses and physical than mainland Europe and it takes time to adjust.

If Karius turns the corner, and is then praised by Neville for his improvement will Karius and Klopp say anything?? I doubt it, so as the saying goes, today's newspaper, tomorrows fish and chip paper.
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Old 13-12-2016, 12:33
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I find it interesting that Neville's managerial career, however brief is thrown at him yet Carra who hasn't managed at all yet isn't questioned and referred to as a fan.
Neville has failed in management twice. With England, being assistant manager over a complete international disaster and of course his time in spain where he had the worst record of a manager in their history, and was boo'ed by his own fans.

Neville has proved that he is no manager, that he cannot pick or motivate players, that he can only talk the talk but cannot walk the walk.

Klopp is correct when he tells neville he has no right to criticize, as his record proves he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Neville is no better than amateur fans on this forum, its just that his name recognition gets him a mouthpiece.
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Old 13-12-2016, 12:37
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Neville has failed in management twice. With England, being assistant manager over a complete international disaster and of course his time in spain where he had the worst record of a manager in their history, and was boo'ed by his own fans.

Neville has proved that he is no manager, that he cannot pick or motivate players, that he can only talk the talk but cannot walk the walk.

Klopp is correct when he tells neville he has no right to criticize, as his record proves he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Neville is no better than amateur fans on this forum, its just that his name recognition gets him a mouthpiece.
Absolute horse.

Neville had it right: 'I'm not a chef, but I know a good steak.'

I suggest that you familiarise yourself with the role of a pundit.
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Old 13-12-2016, 12:44
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Absolute horse.

Neville had it right: 'I'm not a chef, but I know a good steak.'

I suggest that you familiarise yourself with the role of a pundit.
Exactly, he knows what he is talking about in this situation, so quite why people are saying Gary is in the wrong here, heaven only knows.
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Old 13-12-2016, 12:52
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Exactly, he knows what he is talking about in this situation, so quite why people are saying Gary is in the wrong here, heaven only knows.
Why does he know?

When he has been in that situation he failed miserably.
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:08
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Why does he know?

When he has been in that situation he failed miserably.
what you have chosen to fail to understand is they are two different jobs and have nothing to do with each other.

Neither need to have any skill sets in the other field to do their job
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:09
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what you have chosen to fail to understand is they are two different jobs and have nothing to do with each other.

Neither need to have any skill sets in the other field to do their job
so ex players make better pundits than ex managers?
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:27
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so ex players make better pundits than ex managers?
Simplicity at its very worst.

The pundits job is to put across their views and reasoning behind those views regardless of anyone agreeing or disagreeing with them. The people who make better pundits are those who can do so, It's not about their former jobs, For example JT,Lamps,Messi and Ronaldo would make IMO awful pundits, In regards to managers Clough made a very good pundit where as another top manager would make a awful pundit (Wenger for example).

The best people who make pundits are the people who can go in front of a camera and come across well, It don't matter if you are a former player/manager etc or what level you did that previous job at.

The jobs are very different and require a different skill set and mentality.

They are there to put across their views nothing else nothing more. Since this pundit has done it in a way you understand he has done a very good job.
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:41
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You can be a bit crap at something yet still know how it should be done. Look at Pep, who needs to learn a thing or two about defending if he ever wants to win at the footballs
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:56
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But Neville doesn't come across well on camera, neither does carragher, who at times seems barely literate.
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:57
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You can be a bit crap at something yet still know how it should be done. Look at Pep, who needs to learn a thing or two about defending if he ever wants to win at the footballs
Why do you keep on baiting batdude?
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:06
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But Neville doesn't come across well on camera, neither does carragher, who at times seems barely literate.
Unfortunately for you with regards to Neville most people seem to disagree with you.

Most football fans seem to say he is very good at this job, Maybe it's his Utd connection that is the reasoning behind your opinion?

Whenever I have seen him he looks quite comfortable in front of the camera and seems to be doing a good job.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:17
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Why do you keep on baiting batdude?
Why did you call someone out for spelling it 'Pepe'?
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:24
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Why did you call someone out for spelling it 'Pepe'?
I think it's important to get names correct, do you not think?

To compare that with your constant, day after day baiting of batdude is very odd indeed.

Could you go a day without baiting him?
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:26
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No, you knew exactly who the obvious typo was in reference to and were clearly trolling someone you are in constant disagreement with. Very odd indeed, right
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:34
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Neville has failed in management twice. With England, being assistant manager over a complete international disaster and of course his time in spain where he had the worst record of a manager in their history, and was boo'ed by his own fans.

Neville has proved that he is no manager, that he cannot pick or motivate players, that he can only talk the talk but cannot walk the walk.

Klopp is correct when he tells neville he has no right to criticize, as his record proves he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Neville is no better than amateur fans on this forum, its just that his name recognition gets him a mouthpiece.
So I'm guessing the tv channels shouldn't be allowing Souness, Gullit, Hoddle or Shearer in the studio as pundits? That perhaps the only pundit should be someone like say Sir Alex Ferguson seeing as he won so much??? Then again you'd complain about not being able to understand him then.

Just out of curiosity, how many managers are comprehensive success in the first job they take, more so in arguably the best league in the world, and not knowing the language? If you have the the many examples please show us.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:41
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Is t it odd that the tv co panties on,y employ pundits with huge name recognition?

It's nothing to do with how well they can broadcast or how they can transfer their insight.

Why can't we have pundits who were not pl players, or players at all? Just insightful broadcasters.

After all, you don't have to be. Chef to appreciate a good steak.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:52
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Is t it odd that the tv co panties on,y employ pundits with huge name recognition?

It's nothing to do with how well they can broadcast or how they can transfer their insight.

Why can't we have pundits who were not pl players, or players at all? Just insightful broadcasters.

After all, you don't have to be. Chef to appreciate a good steak.
Not really, Its quite common in a field such as this to get in a reconsidered name, It can help with people connection with the on-air talent. Look at many TV productions that use a pundit and you will find many have a connection with the production being broadcast

We have insightful broadcasters or ones that many people seem to think are. Just because you disagree with their insights is not important, They give THEIR views in very insightful way, People agreeing with them is not part of the job

This is why some are used regularly and some are not. Someone like Neville is used as often as he is being used (and was given his job back when he left) because he is popular with the viewer.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:52
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we need you on TV codeblue
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:55
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we need you on TV codeblue
I'd rather have you as a pundit than jenas, wright, shearer, Owen, Henry, savage, keown, Murphy etc
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:19
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Is t it odd that the tv co panties on,y employ pundits with huge name recognition?

It's nothing to do with how well they can broadcast or how they can transfer their insight.

Why can't we have pundits who were not pl players, or players at all? Just insightful broadcasters.

After all, you don't have to be. Chef to appreciate a good steak.
What are these "tv co panties" of which you speak?

As it happens, I agree with your general point in bold.

I'd be more than happy to see more well-informed journalists given punditry gigs. However, there's obviously some 'pulling power' when it comes to ex-players. You've only got to look at Sky's cricket broadcasting line-up to see that. I think that they're all former players.
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:24
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Re above, some of the European football journalists on bt champions league coverage are excellent
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:26
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Re above, some of the European football journalists on bt champions league coverage are excellent
And yet they're tucked away on the highlights show, whilst viewers of the full, live games get lumbered with drones like Owen, Scholes and the abysmal Hoddle.
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:28
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I always liked Gab Marcotti, don't know if anyone still uses him. On the other side, Sky have an occasional habit of using print journalists who aren't much better than Robbie Savage, with the main difference being they definitely know how to write.
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:34
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I always liked Gab Marcotti, don't know if anyone still uses him. On the other side, Sky have an occasional habit of using print journalists who aren't much better than Robbie Savage, with the main difference being they definitely know how to write.
What about Guillem Balagué?
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