DS Forums

 
 

Is it a travesty of justice ?


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-12-2016, 22:01
LovesATango
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 186

i don't know where you are but no sunshine here, just rain.
Ah, but I didn't say anything about "sunshine"
LovesATango is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 12-12-2016, 22:02
hansue
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,038
Thank you for your comments-food for thought!!

I watch the show and have loved it since day one-the dresses, make up, music, theatricality of the whole thing. Some years I have a favourite, most years not. I usually come to his forum on a Saturday night for the spoiler .

As we're so near the end I have wandered into other threads and have been surprised at the level of emotion. One thing that did stand out was that the folks who are crying foul, have absolutely no proper evidence and they all are angry because THEIR choice left the show.

TBH, if there was any skulduggery going on ref public vote or even judges votes, it would have surfaced well before now.

If throwing insults at each other suits some, fine, but please lets keep a sense of proportion,
I think some people do get emotionally involved. I have to say that I haven't felt much emotion up to now but I am a tad annoyed about what happened on Saturday.

I have to admit that I have thrown my toys out of the pram this year and I'm flouncing off and not watching the final as to be honest I don't really have any connection with the three that are left.

As I said, most people want to see fair play, but sometimes it does appear that they are taking it to heart too much. After Saturday we will all go back to our normal lives (well from tomorrow I will!!) and it wont make an iota of difference who has won.

Last year I really liked Jay and was pleased he won. I liked him from the days he was in The Wanted so I have kept a keen eye on what he has done since he left Strictly and it seems that he is doing well in theatre. This year I don't give a damn what the three finalists do but I do hope that Claudia finds something other than gymnastics to do. I thought he interview on ITT tonight was lovely.
hansue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:05
Moany Liza
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 8,749
I think some people do get emotionally involved. I have to say that I haven't felt much emotion up to now but I am a tad annoyed about what happened on Saturday.

I have to admit that I have thrown my toys out of the pram this year and I'm flouncing off and not watching the final as to be honest I don't really have any connection with the three that are left.

As I said, most people want to see fair play, but sometimes it does appear that they are taking it to heart too much. After Saturday we will all go back to our normal lives (well from tomorrow I will!!) and it wont make an iota of difference who has won.

Last year I really liked Jay and was pleased he won. I liked him from the days he was in The Wanted so I have kept a keen eye on what he has done since he left Strictly and it seems that he is doing well in theatre. This year I don't give a damn what the three finalists do but I do hope that Claudia finds something other than gymnastics to do. I thought he interview on ITT tonight was lovely.
I think Claudia is very keen to continue to give gymnastics her full attention for a good few years yet. There's no reason to believe that she's even reached her full potential yet.
Moany Liza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:09
Twinkle toes no
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,661
Thank you for your comments-food for thought!!

I watch the show and have loved it since day one-the dresses, make up, music, theatricality of the whole thing. Some years I have a favourite, most years not. I usually come to his forum on a Saturday night for the spoiler .

As we're so near the end I have wandered into other threads and have been surprised at the level of emotion. One thing that did stand out was that the folks who are crying foul, have absolutely no proper evidence and they all are angry because THEIR choice left the show.

TBH, if there was any skulduggery going on ref public vote or even judges votes, it would have surfaced well before now.

If throwing insults at each other suits some, fine, but please lets keep a sense of proportion,
Who's throwing insults on this thread? TBH I think you're the only one that's gone 'over the top'.
Twinkle toes no is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:14
madetomeasure
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,972
A travesty of Justice??

No. It's a Saturday night entertainment programme which some folks take to a dangerous level of involvement. TBH, it's scary how involved some of the audience are.
........and yet here you are, like the rest of us, commenting on the "Saturday night entertainment programme".
madetomeasure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:16
vald
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 30,979
The right people are in the final and I'm really looking forward to it now.
vald is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:20
hansue
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,038
The right people are in the final and I'm really looking forward to it now.
That's your opinion. Its not mine
hansue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:24
vald
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 30,979
That's your opinion. Its not mine
Well yes...I never speak for other people.
vald is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:30
daisydee
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,817
Dangerous level of involvement - that's a bit OTT.

Some people like to see fair play and to a lot of people on here, and off, it was not fair play on Saturday.

If people want to get involved and feel very strongly about it, then it is their right to do so. It may not be your way but they shouldn't be condemned if it is theirs.
Well said.
And this IS a discussion forum, emotions do run high when we feel strongly about something. I'm not miffed because my 'favourite' went out because I didn't have one. But I did think that AJ & Claudia were the best on the night. And though it would have been painful to have to choose between Danny & Claudia, as I think Danny has been brilliant all the way through, we are told that the vote in the DO is on that particular performance alone, and in that case i would have chosen Claudia.
I should think production at SCD are thrilled with any controversy, may even make more people watch. It certainly gives them lots of free publicity.
daisydee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:31
Dragonlady 25
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 8,038
Who's throwing insults on this thread? TBH I think you're the only one that's gone 'over the top'.
Please check what I wrote. I did not say there were insults being thrown on this thread, I specifically referred to other threads I had wondered into.

........and yet here you are, like the rest of us, commenting on the "Saturday night entertainment programme".
I'm not commenting on the programme, just the way some folks are commenting on it.

Well yes...I never speak for other people.
Dragonlady 25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:38
madetomeasure
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,972
Please check what I wrote. I did not say there were insults being thrown on this thread, I specifically referred to other threads I had wondered into.



I'm not commenting on the programme, just the way some folks are commenting on it.



You are saying some people get dangerously involved, which in itself is hyperbole. Your inference was that its only an entertainment show so why invest so much time commenting...that's why I pointed out your hypocrisy. If you don't like alternative opinions, counter argue, not generalise or preach.
madetomeasure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:40
Dragonlady 25
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 8,038
You are saying some people get dangerously involved, which in itself is hyperbole. Your inference was that its only an entertainment show so why invest so much time commenting...that's why I pointed out your hypocrisy. If you don't like alternative opinions, counter argue, not generalise or preach.
I've not generalised nor preached. Check meaning of hyperbole.
Dragonlady 25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:44
madetomeasure
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,972
I've not generalised nor preached. Check meaning of hyperbole.
I don't need to; it means to exaggerate. You are an audience member and you're involving yourself. Check meaning of hypocrite.
madetomeasure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:44
Dragonlady 25
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 8,038
Well said.
And this IS a discussion forum, emotions do run high when we feel strongly about something. I'm not miffed because my 'favourite' went out because I didn't have one. But I did think that AJ & Claudia were the best on the night. And though it would have been painful to have to choose between Danny & Claudia, as I think Danny has been brilliant all the way through, we are told that the vote in the DO is on that particular performance alone, and in that case i would have chosen Claudia.
I should think production at SCD are thrilled with any controversy, may even make more people watch. It certainly gives them lots of free publicity.
I do understand that folks get cheesed off but unless they were there and watched the dance through the eyes of a qualified judge, they can't then cry foul because the judges answer was different from their own.

When folks confuse opinion with fact, the whole thing becomes confusing.
Dragonlady 25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:46
Dragonlady 25
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 8,038
I don't need to; it means to exaggerate. You are an audience member and you're involving yourself. Check meaning of hypocrite.
A) Where did I exaggerate?

B) Where was I hypocritical?
Dragonlady 25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:46
Flowes
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 3,773
That's arguable.

What is NOT arguable is that Claudia didn't beat Louise in the vote.

And Ore must have beaten Danny.
Oh! Is that what happened, it's very confusing
Flowes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 22:58
madetomeasure
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,972
A) Where did I exaggerate?

B) Where was I hypocritical?
Sorry Ping, Pong hasn't got the will nor inclination to play. Look back to your earlier post and you will find your answers.
madetomeasure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 23:00
madetomeasure
Guest
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,972
Oh! Is that what happened, it's very confusing
......that's what happens when the audience gets too involved
madetomeasure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 23:01
Dragonlady 25
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 8,038
Sorry Ping, Pong hasn't got the will nor inclination to play. Look back to your earlier post and you will find your answers.
OK.

Night night!
Dragonlady 25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 23:08
Moany Liza
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 8,749
I do understand that folks get cheesed off but unless they were there and watched the dance through the eyes of a qualified judge, they can't then cry foul because the judges answer was different from their own.

When folks confuse opinion with fact, the whole thing becomes confusing.
It's a bit ironic also that some people cannot accept that the outcome of the dance-off is based upon the judges' opinions.

Like it or not, the rules of the show state that it is the judges who determine the result of the dance-off and as there are no objective method they can use at this stage, this can only be based upon subjective opinion.

For that reason, it seems odd that some people want THEIR opinions to be respected - and some appear to actually demand it - but are unwilling to accept opinions which are at variance with theirs - including those of the judges.

I get it that people think there is bias but whenever someone is required to make a judgment based on their opinion of something as is the case with the judges on Strictly, they will inevitably be accused of bias by someone whose opinion is different to theirs - regardless what actual decision the judges arrive at.

The judges will never be able to get it right, no matter what they decide - because someone will always disagree with them.
Moany Liza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2016, 23:35
MACTOWIN
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Broughty Ferry
Posts: 30,532
Its a bit strange that some people cant except that the judges could manipulate the result and think that anyone thinking otherwise at crazy in the head.
MACTOWIN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 00:19
hansue
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,038
It's a bit ironic also that some people cannot accept that the outcome of the dance-off is based upon the judges' opinions.

Like it or not, the rules of the show state that it is the judges who determine the result of the dance-off and as there are no objective method they can use at this stage, this can only be based upon subjective opinion.

For that reason, it seems odd that some people want THEIR opinions to be respected - and some appear to actually demand it - but are unwilling to accept opinions which are at variance with theirs - including those of the judges.

I get it that people think there is bias but whenever someone is required to make a judgment based on their opinion of something as is the case with the judges on Strictly, they will inevitably be accused of bias by someone whose opinion is different to theirs - regardless what actual decision the judges arrive at.


The judges will never be able to get it right, no matter what they decide - because someone will always disagree with them.
I dont think the main complaint is the result of the dance off. It was felt by many that the marking was unfair and it appeared that Ore was overmarked which put him at the top of the leaderboard and that Claudia should have got better marks than Louise. Also there was an issue with the voting system which could have affected the votes cast for all the dancers.
hansue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 00:27
Mystical123
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 12,792
A travesty of Justice??

No. It's a Saturday night entertainment programme which some folks take to a dangerous level of involvement. TBH, it's scary how involved some of the audience are.
Exactly! A travesty of justice is someone spending 25 years on Death Row for a crime they didn't commit, not someone being voted off a reality TV show.

Some people on here really do need to get more than a little perspective!
Mystical123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 00:33
Moany Liza
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 8,749
I dont think the main complaint is the result of the dance off. It was felt by many that the marking was unfair and it appeared that Ore was overmarked which put him at the top of the leaderboard and that Claudia should have got better marks than Louise. Also there was an issue with the voting system which could have affected the votes cast for all the dancers.
Unfortunately, the marking is also always going to be subjective - and also based upon the judges opinions and upon what they actually see e.g sometimes there is an error or incident which they do not see at the time and they award marks accordingly. Whether or not Ore - or indeed anyone - was overmarked is, yet again, simply a matter of opinion.

You are right though about the voting system. That had the same potential to impact equally on all the couples.

It is of course up to the individual to decide whether they refuse to watch the final, as a protest - or not - but I would be very surprised if the fairly insignificant numbers of protesters here on DS would even register as a tiny blip in the ratings.

In the same way that no contestant, pro dancer, judge or presenter is more important than the show itself, the same can be said of viewers. If a handful of disgruntled people refuse to tune in to watch the final, I suspect it will pale into insignificance compared to the millions who do. The show will go on again next year, regardless.
Moany Liza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 00:39
Rhumbatugger
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 80,211
I dont think the main complaint is the result of the dance off. It was felt by many that the marking was unfair and it appeared that Ore was overmarked which put him at the top of the leaderboard and that Claudia should have got better marks than Louise. Also there was an issue with the voting system which could have affected the votes cast for all the dancers.
I think it's really peculiar that people blame ORE and say that Claudia went because of some convoluted rationalising about the marks -

When it seems glaringly obvious that the judges favoured Danny over Claudia in the DO, with a dance that was NOT actually better than Claudias.

What gives? Are Danny fans also Claudia fans, or is Ore some automatic 'evil one' in any scenario?


Not saying this is you particularly Hansue, but's it's a theme people seem to run with.
Rhumbatugger is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:23.