Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
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i don't know where you are but no sunshine here, just rain.
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i don't know where you are but no sunshine here, just rain.
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Ah, but I didn't say anything about "sunshine"
Is it a travesty of justice ?
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Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“Thank you for your comments-food for thought!!
I watch the show and have loved it since day one-the dresses, make up, music, theatricality of the whole thing. Some years I have a favourite, most years not. I usually come to his forum on a Saturday night for the spoiler
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As we're so near the end I have wandered into other threads and have been surprised at the level of emotion. One thing that did stand out was that the folks who are crying foul, have absolutely no proper evidence and they all are angry because THEIR choice left the show.
TBH, if there was any skulduggery going on ref public vote or even judges votes, it would have surfaced well before now.
If throwing insults at each other suits some, fine, but please lets keep a sense of proportion,
”
“Thank you for your comments-food for thought!!
I watch the show and have loved it since day one-the dresses, make up, music, theatricality of the whole thing. Some years I have a favourite, most years not. I usually come to his forum on a Saturday night for the spoiler
.As we're so near the end I have wandered into other threads and have been surprised at the level of emotion. One thing that did stand out was that the folks who are crying foul, have absolutely no proper evidence and they all are angry because THEIR choice left the show.
TBH, if there was any skulduggery going on ref public vote or even judges votes, it would have surfaced well before now.
If throwing insults at each other suits some, fine, but please lets keep a sense of proportion,
”
I think some people do get emotionally involved. I have to say that I haven't felt much emotion up to now but I am a tad annoyed about what happened on Saturday.
I have to admit that I have thrown my toys out of the pram this year and I'm flouncing off and not watching the final as to be honest I don't really have any connection with the three that are left.
As I said, most people want to see fair play, but sometimes it does appear that they are taking it to heart too much. After Saturday we will all go back to our normal lives (well from tomorrow I will!!) and it wont make an iota of difference who has won.
Last year I really liked Jay and was pleased he won. I liked him from the days he was in The Wanted so I have kept a keen eye on what he has done since he left Strictly and it seems that he is doing well in theatre. This year I don't give a damn what the three finalists do but I do hope that Claudia finds something other than gymnastics to do. I thought he interview on ITT tonight was lovely.
Originally Posted by hansue:
“I think some people do get emotionally involved. I have to say that I haven't felt much emotion up to now but I am a tad annoyed about what happened on Saturday.
I have to admit that I have thrown my toys out of the pram this year and I'm flouncing off and not watching the final as to be honest I don't really have any connection with the three that are left.
As I said, most people want to see fair play, but sometimes it does appear that they are taking it to heart too much. After Saturday we will all go back to our normal lives (well from tomorrow I will!!) and it wont make an iota of difference who has won.
Last year I really liked Jay and was pleased he won. I liked him from the days he was in The Wanted so I have kept a keen eye on what he has done since he left Strictly and it seems that he is doing well in theatre. This year I don't give a damn what the three finalists do but I do hope that Claudia finds something other than gymnastics to do. I thought he interview on ITT tonight was lovely.”
“I think some people do get emotionally involved. I have to say that I haven't felt much emotion up to now but I am a tad annoyed about what happened on Saturday.
I have to admit that I have thrown my toys out of the pram this year and I'm flouncing off and not watching the final as to be honest I don't really have any connection with the three that are left.
As I said, most people want to see fair play, but sometimes it does appear that they are taking it to heart too much. After Saturday we will all go back to our normal lives (well from tomorrow I will!!) and it wont make an iota of difference who has won.
Last year I really liked Jay and was pleased he won. I liked him from the days he was in The Wanted so I have kept a keen eye on what he has done since he left Strictly and it seems that he is doing well in theatre. This year I don't give a damn what the three finalists do but I do hope that Claudia finds something other than gymnastics to do. I thought he interview on ITT tonight was lovely.”
I think Claudia is very keen to continue to give gymnastics her full attention for a good few years yet. There's no reason to believe that she's even reached her full potential yet.
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“Thank you for your comments-food for thought!!
I watch the show and have loved it since day one-the dresses, make up, music, theatricality of the whole thing. Some years I have a favourite, most years not. I usually come to his forum on a Saturday night for the spoiler.
As we're so near the end I have wandered into other threads and have been surprised at the level of emotion. One thing that did stand out was that the folks who are crying foul, have absolutely no proper evidence and they all are angry because THEIR choice left the show.
TBH, if there was any skulduggery going on ref public vote or even judges votes, it would have surfaced well before now.
If throwing insults at each other suits some, fine, but please lets keep a sense of proportion,”
“Thank you for your comments-food for thought!!
I watch the show and have loved it since day one-the dresses, make up, music, theatricality of the whole thing. Some years I have a favourite, most years not. I usually come to his forum on a Saturday night for the spoiler
.As we're so near the end I have wandered into other threads and have been surprised at the level of emotion. One thing that did stand out was that the folks who are crying foul, have absolutely no proper evidence and they all are angry because THEIR choice left the show.
TBH, if there was any skulduggery going on ref public vote or even judges votes, it would have surfaced well before now.
If throwing insults at each other suits some, fine, but please lets keep a sense of proportion,
”
Who's throwing insults on this thread? TBH I think you're the only one that's gone 'over the top'.
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“A travesty of Justice??
No. It's a Saturday night entertainment programme which some folks take to a dangerous level of involvement. TBH, it's scary how involved some of the audience are.
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“A travesty of Justice??
No. It's a Saturday night entertainment programme which some folks take to a dangerous level of involvement. TBH, it's scary how involved some of the audience are.
”
........and yet here you are, like the rest of us, commenting on the "Saturday night entertainment programme".
Originally Posted by vald:
“The right people are in the final and I'm really looking forward to it now.”
“The right people are in the final and I'm really looking forward to it now.”
That's your opinion. Its not mine
Originally Posted by hansue:
“That's your opinion. Its not mine”
“That's your opinion. Its not mine
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Well yes...I never speak for other people.
Originally Posted by hansue:
“Dangerous level of involvement - that's a bit OTT.
Some people like to see fair play and to a lot of people on here, and off, it was not fair play on Saturday.
If people want to get involved and feel very strongly about it, then it is their right to do so. It may not be your way but they shouldn't be condemned if it is theirs.”
“Dangerous level of involvement - that's a bit OTT.
Some people like to see fair play and to a lot of people on here, and off, it was not fair play on Saturday.
If people want to get involved and feel very strongly about it, then it is their right to do so. It may not be your way but they shouldn't be condemned if it is theirs.”
Well said.
And this IS a discussion forum, emotions do run high when we feel strongly about something. I'm not miffed because my 'favourite' went out because I didn't have one. But I did think that AJ & Claudia were the best on the night. And though it would have been painful to have to choose between Danny & Claudia, as I think Danny has been brilliant all the way through, we are told that the vote in the DO is on that particular performance alone, and in that case i would have chosen Claudia.
I should think production at SCD are thrilled with any controversy, may even make more people watch. It certainly gives them lots of free publicity.
Originally Posted by Twinkle toes no:
“Who's throwing insults on this thread? TBH I think you're the only one that's gone 'over the top'.”
“Who's throwing insults on this thread? TBH I think you're the only one that's gone 'over the top'.”
Please check what I wrote. I did not say there were insults being thrown on this thread, I specifically referred to other threads I had wondered into.
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“........and yet here you are, like the rest of us, commenting on the "Saturday night entertainment programme".”
“........and yet here you are, like the rest of us, commenting on the "Saturday night entertainment programme".”
I'm not commenting on the programme, just the way some folks are commenting on it.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Well yes...I never speak for other people.”
“Well yes...I never speak for other people.”
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“Please check what I wrote. I did not say there were insults being thrown on this thread, I specifically referred to other threads I had wondered into.
I'm not commenting on the programme, just the way some folks are commenting on it.
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“Please check what I wrote. I did not say there were insults being thrown on this thread, I specifically referred to other threads I had wondered into.
I'm not commenting on the programme, just the way some folks are commenting on it.
”
You are saying some people get dangerously involved, which in itself is hyperbole. Your inference was that its only an entertainment show so why invest so much time commenting...that's why I pointed out your hypocrisy. If you don't like alternative opinions, counter argue, not generalise or preach.
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“You are saying some people get dangerously involved, which in itself is hyperbole. Your inference was that its only an entertainment show so why invest so much time commenting...that's why I pointed out your hypocrisy. If you don't like alternative opinions, counter argue, not generalise or preach.”
“You are saying some people get dangerously involved, which in itself is hyperbole. Your inference was that its only an entertainment show so why invest so much time commenting...that's why I pointed out your hypocrisy. If you don't like alternative opinions, counter argue, not generalise or preach.”
I've not generalised nor preached. Check meaning of hyperbole.
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“I've not generalised nor preached. Check meaning of hyperbole.”
“I've not generalised nor preached. Check meaning of hyperbole.
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I don't need to; it means to exaggerate. You are an audience member and you're involving yourself. Check meaning of hypocrite.
Originally Posted by daisydee:
“Well said.
And this IS a discussion forum, emotions do run high when we feel strongly about something. I'm not miffed because my 'favourite' went out because I didn't have one. But I did think that AJ & Claudia were the best on the night. And though it would have been painful to have to choose between Danny & Claudia, as I think Danny has been brilliant all the way through, we are told that the vote in the DO is on that particular performance alone, and in that case i would have chosen Claudia.
I should think production at SCD are thrilled with any controversy, may even make more people watch. It certainly gives them lots of free publicity.”
“Well said.
And this IS a discussion forum, emotions do run high when we feel strongly about something. I'm not miffed because my 'favourite' went out because I didn't have one. But I did think that AJ & Claudia were the best on the night. And though it would have been painful to have to choose between Danny & Claudia, as I think Danny has been brilliant all the way through, we are told that the vote in the DO is on that particular performance alone, and in that case i would have chosen Claudia.
I should think production at SCD are thrilled with any controversy, may even make more people watch. It certainly gives them lots of free publicity.
”
I do understand that folks get cheesed off but unless they were there and watched the dance through the eyes of a qualified judge, they can't then cry foul because the judges answer was different from their own.
When folks confuse opinion with fact, the whole thing becomes confusing.
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“I don't need to; it means to exaggerate. You are an audience member and you're involving yourself. Check meaning of hypocrite.”
“I don't need to; it means to exaggerate. You are an audience member and you're involving yourself. Check meaning of hypocrite.”
A) Where did I exaggerate?
B) Where was I hypocritical?
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“That's arguable.
What is NOT arguable is that Claudia didn't beat Louise in the vote.
And Ore must have beaten Danny.”
“That's arguable.
What is NOT arguable is that Claudia didn't beat Louise in the vote.
And Ore must have beaten Danny.”
Oh! Is that what happened, it's very confusing
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“A) Where did I exaggerate?
B) Where was I hypocritical?”
“A) Where did I exaggerate?
B) Where was I hypocritical?”
Sorry Ping, Pong hasn't got the will nor inclination to play. Look back to your earlier post and you will find your answers.
Originally Posted by Flowes:
“Oh! Is that what happened, it's very confusing”
“Oh! Is that what happened, it's very confusing
”
......that's what happens when the audience gets too involved
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“Sorry Ping, Pong hasn't got the will nor inclination to play. Look back to your earlier post and you will find your answers.”
“Sorry Ping, Pong hasn't got the will nor inclination to play. Look back to your earlier post and you will find your answers.”
OK.
Night night!
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“I do understand that folks get cheesed off but unless they were there and watched the dance through the eyes of a qualified judge, they can't then cry foul because the judges answer was different from their own.
When folks confuse opinion with fact, the whole thing becomes confusing.”
“I do understand that folks get cheesed off but unless they were there and watched the dance through the eyes of a qualified judge, they can't then cry foul because the judges answer was different from their own.
When folks confuse opinion with fact, the whole thing becomes confusing.”
It's a bit ironic also that some people cannot accept that the outcome of the dance-off is based upon the judges' opinions.
Like it or not, the rules of the show state that it is the judges who determine the result of the dance-off and as there are no objective method they can use at this stage, this can only be based upon subjective opinion.
For that reason, it seems odd that some people want THEIR opinions to be respected - and some appear to actually demand it - but are unwilling to accept opinions which are at variance with theirs - including those of the judges.
I get it that people think there is bias but whenever someone is required to make a judgment based on their opinion of something as is the case with the judges on Strictly, they will inevitably be accused of bias by someone whose opinion is different to theirs - regardless what actual decision the judges arrive at.
The judges will never be able to get it right, no matter what they decide - because someone will always disagree with them.
Its a bit strange that some people cant except that the judges could manipulate the result and think that anyone thinking otherwise at crazy in the head.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“It's a bit ironic also that some people cannot accept that the outcome of the dance-off is based upon the judges' opinions.
Like it or not, the rules of the show state that it is the judges who determine the result of the dance-off and as there are no objective method they can use at this stage, this can only be based upon subjective opinion.
For that reason, it seems odd that some people want THEIR opinions to be respected - and some appear to actually demand it - but are unwilling to accept opinions which are at variance with theirs - including those of the judges.
I get it that people think there is bias but whenever someone is required to make a judgment based on their opinion of something as is the case with the judges on Strictly, they will inevitably be accused of bias by someone whose opinion is different to theirs - regardless what actual decision the judges arrive at.
The judges will never be able to get it right, no matter what they decide - because someone will always disagree with them.”
“It's a bit ironic also that some people cannot accept that the outcome of the dance-off is based upon the judges' opinions.
Like it or not, the rules of the show state that it is the judges who determine the result of the dance-off and as there are no objective method they can use at this stage, this can only be based upon subjective opinion.
For that reason, it seems odd that some people want THEIR opinions to be respected - and some appear to actually demand it - but are unwilling to accept opinions which are at variance with theirs - including those of the judges.
I get it that people think there is bias but whenever someone is required to make a judgment based on their opinion of something as is the case with the judges on Strictly, they will inevitably be accused of bias by someone whose opinion is different to theirs - regardless what actual decision the judges arrive at.
The judges will never be able to get it right, no matter what they decide - because someone will always disagree with them.”
I dont think the main complaint is the result of the dance off. It was felt by many that the marking was unfair and it appeared that Ore was overmarked which put him at the top of the leaderboard and that Claudia should have got better marks than Louise. Also there was an issue with the voting system which could have affected the votes cast for all the dancers.
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“A travesty of Justice??
No. It's a Saturday night entertainment programme which some folks take to a dangerous level of involvement. TBH, it's scary how involved some of the audience are. ”
“A travesty of Justice??
No. It's a Saturday night entertainment programme which some folks take to a dangerous level of involvement. TBH, it's scary how involved some of the audience are.
”
Exactly! A travesty of justice is someone spending 25 years on Death Row for a crime they didn't commit, not someone being voted off a reality TV show.
Some people on here really do need to get more than a little perspective!
Originally Posted by hansue:
“I dont think the main complaint is the result of the dance off. It was felt by many that the marking was unfair and it appeared that Ore was overmarked which put him at the top of the leaderboard and that Claudia should have got better marks than Louise. Also there was an issue with the voting system which could have affected the votes cast for all the dancers.”
“I dont think the main complaint is the result of the dance off. It was felt by many that the marking was unfair and it appeared that Ore was overmarked which put him at the top of the leaderboard and that Claudia should have got better marks than Louise. Also there was an issue with the voting system which could have affected the votes cast for all the dancers.”
Unfortunately, the marking is also always going to be subjective - and also based upon the judges opinions and upon what they actually see e.g sometimes there is an error or incident which they do not see at the time and they award marks accordingly. Whether or not Ore - or indeed anyone - was overmarked is, yet again, simply a matter of opinion.
You are right though about the voting system. That had the same potential to impact equally on all the couples.
It is of course up to the individual to decide whether they refuse to watch the final, as a protest - or not - but I would be very surprised if the fairly insignificant numbers of protesters here on DS would even register as a tiny blip in the ratings.
In the same way that no contestant, pro dancer, judge or presenter is more important than the show itself, the same can be said of viewers. If a handful of disgruntled people refuse to tune in to watch the final, I suspect it will pale into insignificance compared to the millions who do. The show will go on again next year, regardless.
Originally Posted by hansue:
“I dont think the main complaint is the result of the dance off. It was felt by many that the marking was unfair and it appeared that Ore was overmarked which put him at the top of the leaderboard and that Claudia should have got better marks than Louise. Also there was an issue with the voting system which could have affected the votes cast for all the dancers.”
“I dont think the main complaint is the result of the dance off. It was felt by many that the marking was unfair and it appeared that Ore was overmarked which put him at the top of the leaderboard and that Claudia should have got better marks than Louise. Also there was an issue with the voting system which could have affected the votes cast for all the dancers.”
I think it's really peculiar that people blame ORE and say that Claudia went because of some convoluted rationalising about the marks -
When it seems glaringly obvious that the judges favoured Danny over Claudia in the DO, with a dance that was NOT actually better than Claudias.
What gives? Are Danny fans also Claudia fans, or is Ore some automatic 'evil one' in any scenario?
Not saying this is you particularly Hansue, but's it's a theme people seem to run with.
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