The judges got what the wanted and it was ever so obvious.
Is it a travesty of justice ?
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Originally Posted by Scorpio2:
“The judges got what the wanted and it was ever so obvious.”
“The judges got what the wanted and it was ever so obvious.”
Why would they want Ore over the sparky, Olympian, charming young girl they were talking about so often the week before
Surely they'd want to keep the most popular in, if anything
And the previous week, he was low on the LB and in the dance off.
Something doesn't quite make any bloody sense.
Originally Posted by Scorpio2:
“The judges got what the wanted and it was ever so obvious.”
“The judges got what the wanted and it was ever so obvious.”
Of course they did. Len did his usual throwing in his pearls of wisdom about how much one contestant deserves it more than the others and Bob's your Uncle or Kev's your adopted Godson
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I think it's really peculiar that people blame ORE and say that Claudia went because of some convoluted rationalising about the marks -
When it seems glaringly obvious that the judges favoured Danny over Claudia in the DO, with a dance that was NOT actually better than Claudias.
What gives? Are Danny fans also Claudia fans, or is Ore some automatic 'evil one' in any scenario?
Not saying this is you particularly Hansue, but's it's a theme people seem to run with.”
“I think it's really peculiar that people blame ORE and say that Claudia went because of some convoluted rationalising about the marks -
When it seems glaringly obvious that the judges favoured Danny over Claudia in the DO, with a dance that was NOT actually better than Claudias.
What gives? Are Danny fans also Claudia fans, or is Ore some automatic 'evil one' in any scenario?
Not saying this is you particularly Hansue, but's it's a theme people seem to run with.”
I agree with you, based n the dance off alone I thnk one would struggle to put a cigarette paper between Danny and Claudia's dances. Although overall Danny is clearly the better dancer. So maybe the alleged "fix" was to get Danny into the final.
I think we need a poll to find out who the alleged fix was intended to protect. I just read a thread where the theme is that the semi final was fixed to get Louise into the final. There are several threads claiming there was a fix to get Ore into the final.
I really not getting all the fix accusations, although this seems to happen every year when someones favourite doesn't get through. The judges played a big part in her even getting to the semi final and championed her a lot, i.e that overmarked Jive a few weeks ago. I did think Louise didn't have her best week but she obviously has the public vote to stay out of the bottom two. If Claudia had enough people voting she would have made it through! I thought she was great but there are really strong contestants this year and I feel like the best three are in the final.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I agree with you, based n the dance off alone I thnk one would struggle to put a cigarette paper between Danny and Claudia's dances. Although overall Danny is clearly the better dancer. So maybe the alleged "fix" was to get Danny into the final.
I think we need a poll to find out who the alleged fix was intended to protect. I just read a thread where the theme is that the semi final was fixed to get Louise into the final. There are several threads claiming there was a fix to get Ore into the final.”
“I agree with you, based n the dance off alone I thnk one would struggle to put a cigarette paper between Danny and Claudia's dances. Although overall Danny is clearly the better dancer. So maybe the alleged "fix" was to get Danny into the final.
I think we need a poll to find out who the alleged fix was intended to protect. I just read a thread where the theme is that the semi final was fixed to get Louise into the final. There are several threads claiming there was a fix to get Ore into the final.”
It was designed to get Claudia out. Most people's alternate leaderboard would have kept her safe or pitched her against Louise , or Ore with a worse dance on the alternative marking. Most people would include a large proportion of fan comments , and equally qualified professionals. There's overmarking of Louise and Ore, undermarking of Claudia, and then a 4-0 vote in a dance off- that many scored the opposite way, and the judge's comments , could find no objective reaons for.
You can then speculate what a final might have looked like - if its judges choice the judges might give her a weak dance, but, otherwise, she's got dances as good as anyone to revisit, and she can do a showdance thats really voter friendly.
The question is why they wouldn't want that . And how on earth you could prove it, or disprove it - without thoroughly investigating everyone involved.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“It was designed to get Claudia out. Most people's alternate leaderboard would have kept her safe or pitched her against Louise , or Ore with a worse dance on the alternative marking. Most people would include a large proportion of fan comments , and equally qualified professionals. There's overmarking of Louise and Ore, undermarking of Claudia, and then a 4-0 vote in a dance off- that many scored the opposite way, and the judge's comments , could find no objective reaons for.
You can then speculate what a final might have looked like - if its judges choice the judges might give her a weak dance, but, otherwise, she's got dances as good as anyone to revisit, and she can do a showdance thats really voter friendly.
The question is why they wouldn't want that . And how on earth you could prove it, or disprove it - without thoroughly investigating everyone involved.”
“It was designed to get Claudia out. Most people's alternate leaderboard would have kept her safe or pitched her against Louise , or Ore with a worse dance on the alternative marking. Most people would include a large proportion of fan comments , and equally qualified professionals. There's overmarking of Louise and Ore, undermarking of Claudia, and then a 4-0 vote in a dance off- that many scored the opposite way, and the judge's comments , could find no objective reaons for.
You can then speculate what a final might have looked like - if its judges choice the judges might give her a weak dance, but, otherwise, she's got dances as good as anyone to revisit, and she can do a showdance thats really voter friendly.
The question is why they wouldn't want that . And how on earth you could prove it, or disprove it - without thoroughly investigating everyone involved.”
Very good points. The bias, preference,favourite - whatever you want to call it - by the judges has been evident for quite a few weeks now and I really hate it.
Perhaps an easy way would be to publish the voting figures every week - that would stop all the speculation.
One point, which I'm sure has been made on this thread is that there were technical problems with both the online and telephone lines for both Danny and Louise - don't know about the others as I didn't use them. This could explain the result - and going on from this, I personally think the voting time should have been extended by the time the fault occurred.
Originally Posted by nyannie:
“Very good points. The bias, preference,favourite - whatever you want to call it - by the judges has been evident for quite a few weeks now and I really hate it.
Perhaps an easy way would be to publish the voting figures every week - that would stop all the speculation.
One point, which I'm sure has been made on this thread is that there were technical problems with both the online and telephone lines for both Danny and Louise - don't know about the others as I didn't use them. This could explain the result - and going on from this, I personally think the voting time should have been extended by the time the fault occurred.”
“Very good points. The bias, preference,favourite - whatever you want to call it - by the judges has been evident for quite a few weeks now and I really hate it.
Perhaps an easy way would be to publish the voting figures every week - that would stop all the speculation.
One point, which I'm sure has been made on this thread is that there were technical problems with both the online and telephone lines for both Danny and Louise - don't know about the others as I didn't use them. This could explain the result - and going on from this, I personally think the voting time should have been extended by the time the fault occurred.”
Apparently there were problems voting for everyone. I agree that they should have extended the voting time.
No, it's not a travesty of justice. It's a light entertainment show that relies on public opinion, never a good idea in my eyes, far to unreliable.
Originally Posted by LovesATango:
“No...it is what it is...'Strictly'. ”
“No...it is what it is...'Strictly'. ”
I didn't know Tristan MacManus was on this board
Is it a travesty of justice? No. Was it the wrong result ? Yes
But in real life competitions, this sort of thing does and can happen unfortunately. There can be even more bias in real competitions and there is nothing you can do about it.
An example is that you can be on the floor dancing against a couple or couples where their teachers/coaches are judging the competition. Of course they are going to favour their own couples, and if you are a threat their couple, even if they mark you into the final, could well mark you very poorly so as to give their couple every chance of winning.
But in real life competitions, this sort of thing does and can happen unfortunately. There can be even more bias in real competitions and there is nothing you can do about it.
An example is that you can be on the floor dancing against a couple or couples where their teachers/coaches are judging the competition. Of course they are going to favour their own couples, and if you are a threat their couple, even if they mark you into the final, could well mark you very poorly so as to give their couple every chance of winning.
Really interesting reading thee overnight posts but again, there are so many comments which confuse opinion with facts, the judges got what they wanted. Proof? Evidence?
I'm sad that so many people feel cheated and call on conspiracy theories to 'prove' their opinion.
Also, I had no idea how many professional judges there are contributing to the forum.
OK, I'm not admitting defeat but I'm going to withdraw now. It hurts banging your head on a wall.
Merry Christmas all. XXX
I'm sad that so many people feel cheated and call on conspiracy theories to 'prove' their opinion.
Also, I had no idea how many professional judges there are contributing to the forum.
OK, I'm not admitting defeat but I'm going to withdraw now. It hurts banging your head on a wall.
Merry Christmas all. XXX
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Why would they want Ore over the sparky, Olympian, charming young girl they were talking about so often the week before
Surely they'd want to keep the most popular in, if anything
And the previous week, he was low on the LB and in the dance off.
Something doesn't quite make any bloody sense.”
“Why would they want Ore over the sparky, Olympian, charming young girl they were talking about so often the week before
Surely they'd want to keep the most popular in, if anything
And the previous week, he was low on the LB and in the dance off.
Something doesn't quite make any bloody sense.”
Keep stirring the sh@t
your entertainment maybe
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Why would they want Ore over the sparky, Olympian, charming young girl they were talking about so often the week before
Surely they'd want to keep the most popular in, if anything
And the previous week, he was low on the LB and in the dance off.
Something doesn't quite make any bloody sense.”
“Why would they want Ore over the sparky, Olympian, charming young girl they were talking about so often the week before
Surely they'd want to keep the most popular in, if anything
And the previous week, he was low on the LB and in the dance off.
Something doesn't quite make any bloody sense.”
I'm afraid your post doesn't make sense.
For the result we saw on Sunday, Claudia cannot be that popular with viewers.
Also from the result we saw on Sunday, Louise and Ore must be more popular than Danny. But we have no idea how the public vote fluctuates from week to week. There's no reason to believe that everything stays the same week on week - the bottom two aren't always predictable - e.g. why did Ed suddenly end up in the dance-off after escaping it for so long?
If you want to blame anyone, try Will Young. If he hadn't bailed, then we might have had a four-person final with the four we saw last weekend. Otherwise, I'm afraid you will just have to blame everyone who didn't vote for Claudia when you think they should have. And good luck with that.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Well yes...I never speak for other people.”
“Well yes...I never speak for other people.”
Just as well since I hope Ore and Danny are the final two.
Well not a travesty , other people have put it better than I possibly could ! However having watched SCD for quite some time with my Bacardi and coke in hand sprawled on the couch now consider myself an expert in all things ballroom
and can say that Claudia was robbed lol
and can say that Claudia was robbed lol
Originally Posted by Tracker321:
“Just as well since I hope Ore and Danny are the final two.”
“Just as well since I hope Ore and Danny are the final two.”
I said I thought we had the right people in the final. My votes will be going to Ore.Beside you'll get one winner and two runners up....they don't do 1st 2nd and 3rd.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Unfortunately, the marking is also always going to be subjective - and also based upon the judges opinions and upon what they actually see e.g sometimes there is an error or incident which they do not see at the time and they award marks accordingly. Whether or not Ore - or indeed anyone - was overmarked is, yet again, simply a matter of opinion.
You are right though about the voting system. That had the same potential to impact equally on all the couples.
It is of course up to the individual to decide whether they refuse to watch the final, as a protest - or not - but I would be very surprised if the fairly insignificant numbers of protesters here on DS would even register as a tiny blip in the ratings.
In the same way that no contestant, pro dancer, judge or presenter is more important than the show itself, the same can be said of viewers. If a handful of disgruntled people refuse to tune in to watch the final, I suspect it will pale into insignificance compared to the millions who do. The show will go on again next year, regardless.”
“Unfortunately, the marking is also always going to be subjective - and also based upon the judges opinions and upon what they actually see e.g sometimes there is an error or incident which they do not see at the time and they award marks accordingly. Whether or not Ore - or indeed anyone - was overmarked is, yet again, simply a matter of opinion.
You are right though about the voting system. That had the same potential to impact equally on all the couples.
It is of course up to the individual to decide whether they refuse to watch the final, as a protest - or not - but I would be very surprised if the fairly insignificant numbers of protesters here on DS would even register as a tiny blip in the ratings.
In the same way that no contestant, pro dancer, judge or presenter is more important than the show itself, the same can be said of viewers. If a handful of disgruntled people refuse to tune in to watch the final, I suspect it will pale into insignificance compared to the millions who do. The show will go on again next year, regardless.
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The reason Im not watching on Saturday is not to get back at the BBC in protest, I'm not watching cause I don't care for any of the couples and I really don't think I would enjoy it. If I do change my mind by Saturday, I will be supporting Danny. Its purely a personal choice and quite sad because Ive not missed a final since the beginning.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“I'm afraid your post doesn't make sense.
For the result we saw on Sunday, Claudia cannot be that popular with viewers.
Also from the result we saw on Sunday, Louise and Ore must be more popular than Danny. But we have no idea how the public vote fluctuates from week to week. There's no reason to believe that everything stays the same week on week - the bottom two aren't always predictable - e.g. why did Ed suddenly end up in the dance-off after escaping it for so long?
If you want to blame anyone, try Will Young. If he hadn't bailed, then we might have had a four-person final with the four we saw last weekend. Otherwise, I'm afraid you will just have to blame everyone who didn't vote for Claudia when you think they should have. And good luck with that.”
“I'm afraid your post doesn't make sense.
For the result we saw on Sunday, Claudia cannot be that popular with viewers.
Also from the result we saw on Sunday, Louise and Ore must be more popular than Danny. But we have no idea how the public vote fluctuates from week to week. There's no reason to believe that everything stays the same week on week - the bottom two aren't always predictable - e.g. why did Ed suddenly end up in the dance-off after escaping it for so long?
If you want to blame anyone, try Will Young. If he hadn't bailed, then we might have had a four-person final with the four we saw last weekend. Otherwise, I'm afraid you will just have to blame everyone who didn't vote for Claudia when you think they should have. And good luck with that.”
I'm not particularly interested in blaming anyone. Just how the blame seems to fall.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I'm not particularly interested in blaming anyone. Just how the blame seems to fall.”
“I'm not particularly interested in blaming anyone. Just how the blame seems to fall.”
You mean you want the blame to fall on the judges because the public didn't vote for Claudia?
Originally Posted by hansue:
“The reason Im not watching on Saturday is not to get back at the BBC in protest, I'm not watching cause I don't care for any of the couples and I really don't think I would enjoy it. If I do change my mind by Saturday, I will be supporting Danny. Its purely a personal choice and quite sad because Ive not missed a final since the beginning.”
“The reason Im not watching on Saturday is not to get back at the BBC in protest, I'm not watching cause I don't care for any of the couples and I really don't think I would enjoy it. If I do change my mind by Saturday, I will be supporting Danny. Its purely a personal choice and quite sad because Ive not missed a final since the beginning.”
I think a lot of the problem is that some people think they can ONLY possibly enjoy the programme if they have a vested interest in their chosen favourite. It's actually possible to watch and enjoy the show, even if you don't have the inclination to support anyone who is still in the competition.
It's what I do every week in every series and it's why II still find every series to be thoroughly enjoyable.
You should try it.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“I think a lot of the problem is that some people think they can ONLY possibly enjoy the programme if they have a vested interest in their chosen favourite. It's actually possible to watch and enjoy the show, even if you don't have the inclination to support anyone who is still in the competition.
It's what I do every week in every series and it's why II still find every series to be thoroughly enjoyable.
You should try it.”
“I think a lot of the problem is that some people think they can ONLY possibly enjoy the programme if they have a vested interest in their chosen favourite. It's actually possible to watch and enjoy the show, even if you don't have the inclination to support anyone who is still in the competition.
It's what I do every week in every series and it's why II still find every series to be thoroughly enjoyable.
You should try it.
”
I think my main problem this year is, not that I haven't a dog in the fight, but that I really don't like one of the celebs and don't want to watch this person perform and eventually, pick up the glitter ball
I will see how I feel on Saturday and decide then as I have always enjoyed the final in the past even if my favourite didn't win.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“I'm afraid your post doesn't make sense.
For the result we saw on Sunday, Claudia cannot be that popular with viewers.
Also from the result we saw on Sunday, Louise and Ore must be more popular than Danny. But we have no idea how the public vote fluctuates from week to week. There's no reason to believe that everything stays the same week on week - the bottom two aren't always predictable - e.g. why did Ed suddenly end up in the dance-off after escaping it for so long?”
“I'm afraid your post doesn't make sense.
For the result we saw on Sunday, Claudia cannot be that popular with viewers.
Also from the result we saw on Sunday, Louise and Ore must be more popular than Danny. But we have no idea how the public vote fluctuates from week to week. There's no reason to believe that everything stays the same week on week - the bottom two aren't always predictable - e.g. why did Ed suddenly end up in the dance-off after escaping it for so long?”
Just to pick up on the BIB - we don't know that. We only know she wasn't top with the public. She could have been second (in which case, Louise would have had to be top. Ore third and Danny fourth). Similarly, for all we know, all four contestants could have received very similar numbers of votes.
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