Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“ What face is acceptable crying face?”
“ What face is acceptable crying face?”
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP2pmaCo03M
Ori's crumpled crying face
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Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Every time I see 'man up' on here I cringe. It's BS like that which ultimately means male suicide rates are so high (nasty thought but unfortunately utterly true - look into how toxic that is if you don't believe me). It's really pretty pathetic that in this day and age people still think men shouldn't show emotion: news flash, they're still human beings!
The fact that some people also can't process the idea that he might be emotional over getting the final is equally bizarre. The 'oh it must be fake!' BS. Really? Why are these people so emotionally dead inside that they can't comprehend such reaction as being real?
At the end of the day, people are criticising him for having an emotional reaction and that is the stupidest thing. If YOU'RE uncomfortable with a guy showing emotion then frankly there's something wrong with you, not him.”
“Every time I see 'man up' on here I cringe. It's BS like that which ultimately means male suicide rates are so high (nasty thought but unfortunately utterly true - look into how toxic that is if you don't believe me). It's really pretty pathetic that in this day and age people still think men shouldn't show emotion: news flash, they're still human beings!
The fact that some people also can't process the idea that he might be emotional over getting the final is equally bizarre. The 'oh it must be fake!' BS. Really? Why are these people so emotionally dead inside that they can't comprehend such reaction as being real?
At the end of the day, people are criticising him for having an emotional reaction and that is the stupidest thing. If YOU'RE uncomfortable with a guy showing emotion then frankly there's something wrong with you, not him.”
Well said. 👏
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Every time I see 'man up' on here I cringe. It's BS like that which ultimately means male suicide rates are so high (nasty thought but unfortunately utterly true - look into how toxic that is if you don't believe me). It's really pretty pathetic that in this day and age people still think men shouldn't show emotion: news flash, they're still human beings!
The fact that some people also can't process the idea that he might be emotional over getting the final is equally bizarre. The 'oh it must be fake!' BS. Really? Why are these people so emotionally dead inside that they can't comprehend such reaction as being real?
At the end of the day, people are criticising him for having an emotional reaction and that is the stupidest thing. If YOU'RE uncomfortable with a guy showing emotion then frankly there's something wrong with you, not him.”
“Every time I see 'man up' on here I cringe. It's BS like that which ultimately means male suicide rates are so high (nasty thought but unfortunately utterly true - look into how toxic that is if you don't believe me). It's really pretty pathetic that in this day and age people still think men shouldn't show emotion: news flash, they're still human beings!
The fact that some people also can't process the idea that he might be emotional over getting the final is equally bizarre. The 'oh it must be fake!' BS. Really? Why are these people so emotionally dead inside that they can't comprehend such reaction as being real?
At the end of the day, people are criticising him for having an emotional reaction and that is the stupidest thing. If YOU'RE uncomfortable with a guy showing emotion then frankly there's something wrong with you, not him.”
Exactly this. The guy has admitted he's a bit emotional - so are a lot of people, and the idea that he's less of a man because of it infuriates me. How terrible a person must be to equate a persons worth and masculinity with their ability not to feel things or express it in an ~acceptable way.
Saw this posted recently on my Facebook feed - it's pretty apt. Ten Responses To The Phrase 'Man Up' https://youtu.be/QFoBaTkPgco
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Every time I see 'man up' on here I cringe. It's BS like that which ultimately means male suicide rates are so high (nasty thought but unfortunately utterly true - look into how toxic that is if you don't believe me). It's really pretty pathetic that in this day and age people still think men shouldn't show emotion: news flash, they're still human beings!
The fact that some people also can't process the idea that he might be emotional over getting the final is equally bizarre. The 'oh it must be fake!' BS. Really? Why are these people so emotionally dead inside that they can't comprehend such reaction as being real?
At the end of the day, people are criticising him for having an emotional reaction and that is the stupidest thing. If YOU'RE uncomfortable with a guy showing emotion then frankly there's something wrong with you, not him.”
“Every time I see 'man up' on here I cringe. It's BS like that which ultimately means male suicide rates are so high (nasty thought but unfortunately utterly true - look into how toxic that is if you don't believe me). It's really pretty pathetic that in this day and age people still think men shouldn't show emotion: news flash, they're still human beings!
The fact that some people also can't process the idea that he might be emotional over getting the final is equally bizarre. The 'oh it must be fake!' BS. Really? Why are these people so emotionally dead inside that they can't comprehend such reaction as being real?
At the end of the day, people are criticising him for having an emotional reaction and that is the stupidest thing. If YOU'RE uncomfortable with a guy showing emotion then frankly there's something wrong with you, not him.”
Spot on.
To be perfectly honest, I sometimes fell that this forum is a cesspit of poison.
Originally Posted by shrinkingviolet:
“Exactly this. The guy has admitted he's a bit emotional - so are a lot of people, and the idea that he's less of a man because of it infuriates me.”
“Exactly this. The guy has admitted he's a bit emotional - so are a lot of people, and the idea that he's less of a man because of it infuriates me.”
As for me, he is no less of a man - but he is a very poor actor when it comes to pretending to cry. Ironic really, because the vast majority of the acting skills he employs in his dancing are top notch...
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“As for me, he is no less of a man - but he is a very poor actor when it comes to pretending to cry. Ironic really, because the vast majority of the acting skills he employs in his dancing are top notch...”
“As for me, he is no less of a man - but he is a very poor actor when it comes to pretending to cry. Ironic really, because the vast majority of the acting skills he employs in his dancing are top notch...”
Why are you making an assumption that he's acting. Is there only one way of crying....your way.
The more Ore gets savaged on here the more votes he'll pick up. Strangely that's the way it works for RTV.
Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Pathetic thread 👎🏼”
“Pathetic thread 👎🏼”
Completely agree. Yet another unnecessary, silly thread of jealousy and hatred towards Ore. How tedious.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Why are you making an assumption that he's acting. Is there only one way of crying....your way.
The more Ore gets savaged on here the more votes he'll pick up. Strangely that's the way it works for RTV.”
“Why are you making an assumption that he's acting. Is there only one way of crying....your way.
The more Ore gets savaged on here the more votes he'll pick up. Strangely that's the way it works for RTV.”
I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing in 2014, it came across as very real and very touching (to me) - again, I could be wrong but feel free to check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing, it came across as very real (to me) - again, I could be wrong but check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.”
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing, it came across as very real (to me) - again, I could be wrong but check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.”
Yet Mark was slated for his crying too, and got called a bad actor and fake crier too, by many many fm.
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“Yet Mark was slated for his crying too, and got called a bad actor and fake crier too, by many many fm.”
“Yet Mark was slated for his crying too, and got called a bad actor and fake crier too, by many many fm.”
He was slated but wrongly in my opinion.
In Ore's case however, I feel he has bought that on himself...
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“He was slated but wrongly in my opinion.
In Ore's case however, I feel he has bought that on himself...”
“He was slated but wrongly in my opinion.
In Ore's case however, I feel he has bought that on himself...”
Please explain
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing in 2014, it came across as very real and very touching (to me) - again, I could be wrong but feel free to check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.”
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing in 2014, it came across as very real and very touching (to me) - again, I could be wrong but feel free to check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.”
It's not just the badly acted blubbering that gets to me, it's the Uriah Heep " I'm ever so 'umble " persona and the " death stare " that he gives anyone that dares to criticise his dancing
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“He was slated but wrongly in my opinion.
In Ore's case however, I feel he has bought that on himself...”
“He was slated but wrongly in my opinion.
In Ore's case however, I feel he has bought that on himself...”
That's it, though. They're just personal opinions.
In my opinion this 'he's so fake etc' is a crafty way to discredit and put down a celeb one doesn't like that much. Unless we know these people personally, we can't really decide who's fake and who's not, who is really emotional irl too, and who's not.
Originally Posted by Oicho Throw:
“Well see there's two things wrong with Ore's crying -
1) It's as fake as all get out. The wibbly lip, the sniffles, the squeezing a fist into his tear duct while his forehead crumples and he's "too overcome" and has to turn away while not a single tear leaves his bone dry eyes...nobody cries like that.
2) If Ore is the one man on Earth who does cry like that...Jesus dude it's a light entertainment ballroom dance show. Grow a set.”
“Well see there's two things wrong with Ore's crying -
1) It's as fake as all get out. The wibbly lip, the sniffles, the squeezing a fist into his tear duct while his forehead crumples and he's "too overcome" and has to turn away while not a single tear leaves his bone dry eyes...nobody cries like that.
2) If Ore is the one man on Earth who does cry like that...Jesus dude it's a light entertainment ballroom dance show. Grow a set.”
There's two things wrong with your comments -
1) you have absolutely no idea if it's fake and are just speculating
Actually, that's all that needs to be said.
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“What are you, first post approval Chairman? The irony of some of these shock horror probe comments when I remember the nastiness Jay was subjected to last series, when ppl were jumping on Craig's no emotion bandwagon. Nobody need get on their high horse if they can honestly say they have never made disparaging remarks/gathered in their clique clusters on here to snigger and belittle. I've seen it plenty of times.”
“What are you, first post approval Chairman? The irony of some of these shock horror probe comments when I remember the nastiness Jay was subjected to last series, when ppl were jumping on Craig's no emotion bandwagon. Nobody need get on their high horse if they can honestly say they have never made disparaging remarks/gathered in their clique clusters on here to snigger and belittle. I've seen it plenty of times.”
Lol @ 1st post approval chairman... hahaha
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“Please explain”
“Please explain
”
My fellow forum member Dfer sums it up perfectly in five simple words (BIB below)
Originally Posted by Dfer:
“It's not just the badly acted blubbering that gets to me, it's the Uriah Heep " I'm ever so 'umble " persona and the " death stare " that he gives anyone that dares to criticise his dancing”
“It's not just the badly acted blubbering that gets to me, it's the Uriah Heep " I'm ever so 'umble " persona and the " death stare " that he gives anyone that dares to criticise his dancing”
Ore knows he is very good but tries over-earnestly to play it down. I know it would not be attractive for him to give off an air of "of course it was great - after all, I am the very definition of the word 'great'" - but he should be advised to find a balance and not go too far one way or the other. Someone like Jake Wood found such a balance.
His fake sincerity very much reminds me of possibly the worst offender of displaying it in Strictly history - Lisa "Really?" Snowdon.
Unless there is a major mishap, Ore and Jo will get all my votes on Saturday.
That is mainly due to the nastiness around here being directed at them constantly.
That is mainly due to the nastiness around here being directed at them constantly.
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“So now he can't even cry the right and proper way? What face is acceptable crying face?”
“So now he can't even cry the right and proper way? What face is acceptable crying face?”
Bright blue cartoon tears which spout from both eyes like fountains in symmetrical formation.....
gigantic rivers of runny snot streaming like a liquid "number 11" onto his upper lip... colossal heaving sobs of "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"... and a giant speech bubble above his head which reads "Boo Hoo. Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo" Anything else is just fake.
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“That's it, though. They're just personal opinions.”
“That's it, though. They're just personal opinions.”
Personal opinions are exactly what they are.
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“In my opinion this 'he's so fake etc' is a crafty way to discredit and put down a celeb one doesn't like that much..”
“In my opinion this 'he's so fake etc' is a crafty way to discredit and put down a celeb one doesn't like that much..”
Possible but not in my case - I have zero reason to put Ore down.
However, I defy anyone to watch the video of Mark with a truly unbiased eye (not the "he's just reality TV scum" one) and claim that his are fake tears. As far as I am concerned, anyone who can do that IS indeed just trying to find a way to discredit him...
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing in 2014, it came across as very real and very touching (to me) - again, I could be wrong but feel free to check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.”
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing in 2014, it came across as very real and very touching (to me) - again, I could be wrong but feel free to check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.”
You don't know unless you know the guy personally and know what he's thinking. It just suits your agenda to think the very worst of him...that he is a fake and liar.
IMO we have three admirable contestants in the final and we had four in the semi final. All this mud slinging in order to discredit certain contestants is unpleasant to read.
Originally Posted by Bedlam_maid:
“You signed up to DS to say that? Really?
Great first post”
“You signed up to DS to say that? Really?
Great first post
”
no not really was just the first one I was reading that I thought I would comment on, however next time I will run it by you the 1st/2nd or maybe more police !
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“That's it, though. They're just personal opinions.
In my opinion this 'he's so fake etc' is a crafty way to discredit and put down a celeb one doesn't like that much. Unless we know these people personally, we can't really decide who's fake and who's not, who is really emotional irl too, and who's not.”
“That's it, though. They're just personal opinions.
In my opinion this 'he's so fake etc' is a crafty way to discredit and put down a celeb one doesn't like that much. Unless we know these people personally, we can't really decide who's fake and who's not, who is really emotional irl too, and who's not.”
His wife should be consulted. If he cries during orgasm, too, it's genuine
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing in 2014, it came across as very real and very touching (to me) - again, I could be wrong but feel free to check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.”
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
When Mark Wright did the same thing in 2014, it came across as very real and very touching (to me) - again, I could be wrong but feel free to check out the evidence for yourself in the video I posted at the top of this page.”
As I recall, you were one of the first to post threads of condemnation, wrapped up in 'I like him but...' clothes
Originally Posted by john_skeen:
“no not really was just the first one I was reading that I thought I would comment on, however next time I will run it by you the 1st/2nd or maybe more police !”
“no not really was just the first one I was reading that I thought I would comment on, however next time I will run it by you the 1st/2nd or maybe more police !”
Okay
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Every time I see 'man up' on here I cringe. It's BS like that which ultimately means male suicide rates are so high (nasty thought but unfortunately utterly true - look into how toxic that is if you don't believe me). It's really pretty pathetic that in this day and age people still think men shouldn't show emotion: news flash, they're still human beings!
The fact that some people also can't process the idea that he might be emotional over getting the final is equally bizarre. The 'oh it must be fake!' BS. Really? Why are these people so emotionally dead inside that they can't comprehend such reaction as being real?
At the end of the day, people are criticising him for having an emotional reaction and that is the stupidest thing. If YOU'RE uncomfortable with a guy showing emotion then frankly there's something wrong with you, not him.”
“Every time I see 'man up' on here I cringe. It's BS like that which ultimately means male suicide rates are so high (nasty thought but unfortunately utterly true - look into how toxic that is if you don't believe me). It's really pretty pathetic that in this day and age people still think men shouldn't show emotion: news flash, they're still human beings!
The fact that some people also can't process the idea that he might be emotional over getting the final is equally bizarre. The 'oh it must be fake!' BS. Really? Why are these people so emotionally dead inside that they can't comprehend such reaction as being real?
At the end of the day, people are criticising him for having an emotional reaction and that is the stupidest thing. If YOU'RE uncomfortable with a guy showing emotion then frankly there's something wrong with you, not him.”
Well said.
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