Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Pathetic thread 👎🏼”
“Pathetic thread 👎🏼”
...and silly, too.
Ori's crumpled crying face
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Originally Posted by vald:
“You don't know unless you know the guy personally and know what he's thinking. It just suits your agenda to think the very worst of him...that he is a fake and liar.”
“You don't know unless you know the guy personally and know what he's thinking. It just suits your agenda to think the very worst of him...that he is a fake and liar.”
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“Now let's get this straight from the outset - I am a bloke and have NO problem seeing a guy show his emotions. I also like Ore - but the one thing that really annoys me about him is his fake crying. It is so forced it is untrue. I have quoted you Oicho because you sum it up in a nice tidy nutshell.”
“Now let's get this straight from the outset - I am a bloke and have NO problem seeing a guy show his emotions. I also like Ore - but the one thing that really annoys me about him is his fake crying. It is so forced it is untrue. I have quoted you Oicho because you sum it up in a nice tidy nutshell.”
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“As for me, he is no less of a man - but he is a very poor actor when it comes to pretending to cry. Ironic really, because the vast majority of the acting skills he employs in his dancing are top notch...”
“As for me, he is no less of a man - but he is a very poor actor when it comes to pretending to cry. Ironic really, because the vast majority of the acting skills he employs in his dancing are top notch...”
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.”
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.”
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“Personal opinions are exactly what they are.
Possible but not in my case - I have zero reason to put Ore down.
”
“Personal opinions are exactly what they are.
Possible but not in my case - I have zero reason to put Ore down.
”
With all due respect vald, I suggest you read all of the above, (particularly the BIBs) and then look up the true definition of the word "agenda".
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“My fellow forum member Dfer sums it up perfectly in five simple words (BIB below)
Ore knows he is very good but tries over-earnestly to play it down. I know it would not be attractive for him to give off an air of "of course it was great - after all, I am the very definition of the word 'great'" - but he should be advised to find a balance and not go too far one way or the other. Someone like Jake Wood found such a balance.
His fake sincerity very much reminds me of possibly the worst offender of displaying it in Strictly history - Lisa "Really?" Snowdon.”
“My fellow forum member Dfer sums it up perfectly in five simple words (BIB below)
Ore knows he is very good but tries over-earnestly to play it down. I know it would not be attractive for him to give off an air of "of course it was great - after all, I am the very definition of the word 'great'" - but he should be advised to find a balance and not go too far one way or the other. Someone like Jake Wood found such a balance.
His fake sincerity very much reminds me of possibly the worst offender of displaying it in Strictly history - Lisa "Really?" Snowdon.”
The worse one for that is Danny and Oti.
Every week and more so leading up to the semi final plus I'm sure it will be bought up again tonight on ITT... Both Danny and Oti plays down how good Danny is, they keep reminding us how hard Danny has to work (10 hours plus per day) because he has problems picking up the basic steps let alone Oti's routine.
Oh pleeeease *rolls her eyes*
And I do not buy this "I'm so nervous before every dance" as if it's eating him up inside.
Being nervous is a normal reaction but I'm sure he's exaggerating just a wee bit.
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“With all due respect vald, I suggest you read all of the above, (particularly the BIBs) and then look up the true definition of the word "agenda".”
“With all due respect vald, I suggest you read all of the above, (particularly the BIBs) and then look up the true definition of the word "agenda".”
I did read them all but qualifying your insult with a 'but I like him really' doesn't make it any less of an insult to call him a fake and liar.
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“With all due respect vald, I suggest you read all of the above, (particularly the BIBs) and then look up the true definition of the word "agenda".”
“With all due respect vald, I suggest you read all of the above, (particularly the BIBs) and then look up the true definition of the word "agenda".”
But you *are* asserting as fact that he cries for effect. It's not fact.
Why can't he just be the kind of full-on person that doesn't appeal to you? Because that's about where I am with Ore. He seems like a lovely chap but he doesn't have the type of personality I gel with. That's fine. That's why IRL we are friends with some people and not others - we find some people simpatico and not others.
It's just different strokes for different folks.
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“The worse one for that is Danny and Oti.
Every week and more so leading up to the semi final plus I'm sure it will be bought up again tonight on ITT... Both Danny and Oti plays down how good Danny is, they keep reminding us how hard Danny has to work (10 hours plus per day) because he has problems picking up the basic steps let alone Oti's routine.
Oh pleeeease *rolls her eyes*
And I do not buy this "I'm so nervous before every dance" as if it's eating him up inside.
Being nervous is a normal reaction but I'm sure he's exaggerating just a wee bit.”
“The worse one for that is Danny and Oti.
Every week and more so leading up to the semi final plus I'm sure it will be bought up again tonight on ITT... Both Danny and Oti plays down how good Danny is, they keep reminding us how hard Danny has to work (10 hours plus per day) because he has problems picking up the basic steps let alone Oti's routine.
Oh pleeeease *rolls her eyes*
And I do not buy this "I'm so nervous before every dance" as if it's eating him up inside.
Being nervous is a normal reaction but I'm sure he's exaggerating just a wee bit.”
Same goes for you.
I see Danny as lacking in confidence and having immense fear of failure if he doesn't put in twice as many hours as everyone else. Others might be put off by too much perfectionism in a competitor.
I don't see fake humility in either of these two guys. They're in the middle of the pressure cooker of Strictly and producing the best dances they can to be broadcast live for all of us on a thoroughly entertaining show. Some viewers will identify with and gravitate towards some personality types more than others. That's all.
There is no need to impugn any of the competitors as fakes and liars.
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“Same goes for you.
I see Danny as lacking in confidence and having immense fear of failure if he doesn't put in twice as many hours as everyone else. Others might be put off by too much perfectionism in a competitor.
I don't see fake humility in either of these two guys. They're in the middle of the pressure cooker of Strictly and producing the best dances they can to be broadcast live for all of us on a thoroughly entertaining show. Some viewers will identify with and gravitate towards some personality types more than others. That's all.
There is no need to impugn any of the competitors as fakes and liars.”
“Same goes for you.
I see Danny as lacking in confidence and having immense fear of failure if he doesn't put in twice as many hours as everyone else. Others might be put off by too much perfectionism in a competitor.
I don't see fake humility in either of these two guys. They're in the middle of the pressure cooker of Strictly and producing the best dances they can to be broadcast live for all of us on a thoroughly entertaining show. Some viewers will identify with and gravitate towards some personality types more than others. That's all.
There is no need to impugn any of the competitors as fakes and liars.”
In your opinion, I guess we won't agree on this one.
Anyway, I was replying to a poster that accused Ore of
Quote:
“Ore knows he is very good but tries over-earnestly to play it down. I know it would not be attractive for him to give off an air of "of course it was great - after all, I am the very definition of the word 'great'" - but he should be advised to find a balance and not go too far one way or the other. Someone like Jake Wood found such a balance.
His fake sincerity very much reminds me of possibly the worst offender of displaying it in Strictly history - Lisa "Really?" Snowdon.”
“Ore knows he is very good but tries over-earnestly to play it down. I know it would not be attractive for him to give off an air of "of course it was great - after all, I am the very definition of the word 'great'" - but he should be advised to find a balance and not go too far one way or the other. Someone like Jake Wood found such a balance.
His fake sincerity very much reminds me of possibly the worst offender of displaying it in Strictly history - Lisa "Really?" Snowdon.”
which I totally disagree
Originally Posted by alan29:
“I reckon you have to be in a bad place to start an unpleasant thread about a stranger.”
“I reckon you have to be in a bad place to start an unpleasant thread about a stranger.”
I totally agree, or you have to be in that bad place then to make ANY derogatory remark about ANY dancer, who is a stranger. Food for thought to EVERYONE who does this then.
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“The worse one for that is Danny and Oti.
Every week and more so leading up to the semi final plus I'm sure it will be bought up again tonight on ITT... Both Danny and Oti plays down how good Danny is, they keep reminding us how hard Danny has to work (10 hours plus per day) because he has problems picking up the basic steps let alone Oti's routine.
Oh pleeeease *rolls her eyes*
And I do not buy this "I'm so nervous before every dance" as if it's eating him up inside.
Being nervous is a normal reaction but I'm sure he's exaggerating just a wee bit.”
“The worse one for that is Danny and Oti.
Every week and more so leading up to the semi final plus I'm sure it will be bought up again tonight on ITT... Both Danny and Oti plays down how good Danny is, they keep reminding us how hard Danny has to work (10 hours plus per day) because he has problems picking up the basic steps let alone Oti's routine.
Oh pleeeease *rolls her eyes*
And I do not buy this "I'm so nervous before every dance" as if it's eating him up inside.
Being nervous is a normal reaction but I'm sure he's exaggerating just a wee bit.”
For somebody, who by their own admission, has 10 different accounts and uses them to vote for Ore, I find any of your posts laughable. We get it, you love Ore; desperation is not an attractive trait though really ..."rolls her eyes"
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“I totally agree, or you have to be in that bad place then to make ANY derogatory remark about ANY dancer, who is a stranger. Food for thought to EVERYONE who does this then.”
“I totally agree, or you have to be in that bad place then to make ANY derogatory remark about ANY dancer, who is a stranger. Food for thought to EVERYONE who does this then.”
& that goes any derogatory remarks to any FM
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“As I recall, you were one of the first to post threads of condemnation, wrapped up in 'I like him but...' clothes”
“As I recall, you were one of the first to post threads of condemnation, wrapped up in 'I like him but...' clothes”
BIB: 8th out of 8 - in normal life that is called LAST...and means something very different to FIRST.
"Threads"??? Name them if you can...
If you think I don't like Ore but am too fearful to say so, you need to go get a life. If I didn't like him I would (NEWSFLASH!!!) just say it. Who is gonna stop me??? If you bothered to open your eyes when he was first selected, I whooped with joy because he is a fellow Nigerian and, having seen his 'Hey Ya' performance on "Let's Dance for Comic Relief", I even declared that he could well be the first black winner of Strictly.
All clearly aiming to codemn a guy I don't even know...
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“For somebody, who by their own admission, has 10 different accounts and uses them to vote for Ore, I find any of your posts laughable. We get it, you love Ore; desperation is not an attractive trait though really ..."rolls her eyes"”
“For somebody, who by their own admission, has 10 different accounts and uses them to vote for Ore, I find any of your posts laughable. We get it, you love Ore; desperation is not an attractive trait though really ..."rolls her eyes"”
next time take my comments and opinions in context especially in relation to replies to other posters.
We get it, you do not like Ore, you've made it so obvious.
But accusing me of supporting him out of desperation is out of order.
We all have our favourites doesn't mean we are all wrong because we don't agree with your opinion.
Not once have I ever made snide comments to another FM supporting their favourite.
Because I use my intelligence and found a way of using my family's email addresses that have already been registered on the BBC website to vote for Ore (with their permission) and vote on multiple browsers, does not make me laughable
and I can assure you I am not the only one who does this, but at least I openly admit it
Originally Posted by vald:
“I did read them all but qualifying your insult with a 'but I like him really' doesn't make it any less of an insult to call him a fake and liar.”
“I did read them all but qualifying your insult with a 'but I like him really' doesn't make it any less of an insult to call him a fake and liar.”
if you are going to quote me, then learn to do it properly. I have never said he was a liar - that would only refer to you in this very instance.
See it as you like, I do not buy his tears and you are just going to have to accept that because I will never change my opinion for some FM's sake.
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“I do find Ore to be very fake - Sorry.
”
“I do find Ore to be very fake - Sorry.
”
Don't be sorry, if this is your opinion, though it would be nice if you can expand on your reasoning behind your comment
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“But you *are* asserting as fact that he cries for effect. It's not fact.
.”
“But you *are* asserting as fact that he cries for effect. It's not fact.
.”
"Asserting the fact". Where exactly???
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“As for me, he is no less of a man - but he is a very poor actor when it comes to pretending to cry. Ironic really, because the vast majority of the acting skills he employs in his dancing are top notch...”
“As for me, he is no less of a man - but he is a very poor actor when it comes to pretending to cry. Ironic really, because the vast majority of the acting skills he employs in his dancing are top notch...”
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
.”
“I'm not savaging at all - I've said it time without number here that I like Ore and admire all he has achieved on Strictly. However (and I could, of course, be wrong) his 'crying' does come across (to me) as very fake and insincere.
.”
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“He was slated but wrongly in my opinion.
In Ore's case however, I feel he has bought that on himself...”
“He was slated but wrongly in my opinion.
In Ore's case however, I feel he has bought that on himself...”
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“Personal opinions are exactly what they are.
”
“Personal opinions are exactly what they are.
”
Perhaps I haven't made it clear enough that this is my opinion....
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“Don't be sorry, if this is your opinion, though it would be nice if you can expand on your reasoning behind your comment”
“Don't be sorry, if this is your opinion, though it would be nice if you can expand on your reasoning behind your comment
”
No David, you do NEED to be VERY sorry - apparently, you are not allowed to express an opinion around here without being told what you've said is an"insult", ot that "you have an agenda" and "you are asserting what you say as fact".
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“I totally agree, or you have to be in that bad place then to make ANY derogatory remark about ANY dancer, who is a stranger. Food for thought to EVERYONE who does this then.”
“I totally agree, or you have to be in that bad place then to make ANY derogatory remark about ANY dancer, who is a stranger. Food for thought to EVERYONE who does this then.”
Making derogatory remarlks about forum members is ok though ?? Food for thought maybe ?
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“The worse one for that is Danny and Oti.
Every week and more so leading up to the semi final plus I'm sure it will be bought up again tonight on ITT... Both Danny and Oti plays down how good Danny is, they keep reminding us how hard Danny has to work (10 hours plus per day) because he has problems picking up the basic steps let alone Oti's routine.
Oh pleeeease *rolls her eyes*
And I do not buy this "I'm so nervous before every dance" as if it's eating him up inside.
Being nervous is a normal reaction but I'm sure he's exaggerating just a wee bit.”
“The worse one for that is Danny and Oti.
Every week and more so leading up to the semi final plus I'm sure it will be bought up again tonight on ITT... Both Danny and Oti plays down how good Danny is, they keep reminding us how hard Danny has to work (10 hours plus per day) because he has problems picking up the basic steps let alone Oti's routine.
Oh pleeeease *rolls her eyes*
And I do not buy this "I'm so nervous before every dance" as if it's eating him up inside.
Being nervous is a normal reaction but I'm sure he's exaggerating just a wee bit.”
All immaterial as to whether ORE plays down how good HE is
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“if you are going to quote me, then learn to do it properly. I have never said he was a liar - that would only refer to you in this very instance.
See it as you like, I do not buy his tears and you are just going to have to accept that because I will never change my opinion for some FM's sake.”
“if you are going to quote me, then learn to do it properly. I have never said he was a liar - that would only refer to you in this very instance.
See it as you like, I do not buy his tears and you are just going to have to accept that because I will never change my opinion for some FM's sake.”
If someone is pretending to cry then that is a falsehood...a lie. They are setting out to deceive, not in words but in deeds. ...lieing.
I used to cry quite a bit when I started competing. So I would never assume someone else crying is faking it.
Originally Posted by vald:
“If someone is pretending to cry then that is a falsehood...a lie. They are setting out to deceive, not in words but in deeds. ...lieing.”
“If someone is pretending to cry then that is a falsehood...a lie. They are setting out to deceive, not in words but in deeds. ...lieing.”
Really?
So Tameka "crying" along with Ore after his AS scores makes her a deceitful, lying, devious litlle bitch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIfq711vheU
Then the whole group pretends to cry - and we are truly overrun by 'dishonesty'...no wonder the world is in the state that is in (rolleyes)
Thanks for clearing that up vald (Professor of English).
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I used to cry quite a bit when I started competing. So I would never assume someone else crying is faking it.”
“I used to cry quite a bit when I started competing. So I would never assume someone else crying is faking it.”
Oh whenever anybody cries they're accused of faking it on here. At least Ore's eyes demonstrably well up, so we don't have the usual unedifying spectacle of "I DIDN'T SEE ONE ACTUAL TEAR, I REWOUND THE TAPE FIVE TIMES".
Originally Posted by Lojen:
“What a nasty little slice of the internet this is.”
“What a nasty little slice of the internet this is.”
That is what happens when you DARE to express an opinion here Lojen...
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