I guess there are a lot of posters here who have never performed in public, so they won't have experienced the emotional effects of massive rush of adrenaline combined with a build up of fear, concentrated into a minute and a bit.
Some people need to gabble, others have to rush around, some literally shake, and others weep because the effects are overwhelming.

Imho it is really shocking.

Its ridiculous.

I mean, going back to Mark Wright, does anyone REALLY believe crying on TV like that did anything for his street cred/reputation? if he could have stopped it, he would have. But everything got to him to such an extent that he couldn't even being himself to speak when asked a direct question by Claudia.

Yet, because he is perceived as "reality TV trash" he must be devoid of all human emotion and, therefore, must have been 'faking it'...

Yes, that sums it up well for me.

Now you've lost me. I'm not the one who accused Ore of faking it, in fact quite the opposite. I've never accused any of them . Why would I ...I don't know them.

You have to blame the Victorians for this "Men don't cry" stuff. Before that men used to show their emotions more than Ori!

I love to see the contestants faces as they face the results and crying or otherwise is quite normal and real.

isn't it just, I'm about to start putting some FMs on the mute list

It's just an entertainment show, why get upset over it

I know you didn't address me but I'd like to respond.

I'm not upset or irritated by Strictly.
Its the relentless nastiness about some participants which saddens me.

Tend to agree with this. When I kinda feel someone is being unfairly judged, I get this urge to give them my vote - as many did with Scarlet in the jungle...

..............or , in fact, about any reality star/celebrity taking part in this type of show. We actually don't know them - or their characteristics, at all.

Exactly the reaction I had last year. I broke the habit of nearly a decade, registered with the BBC and voted Ore. Not because I thought he was best or because I cared two hoots about who goes though or wins the final, but simply because he had become the forum whipping boy for so many.

Perhaps but there are plenty of less attractive traits.

I know, right. I had thought that this would be a nice forum to post in but there's so much vitriol being spewed. People complain about the BB forum but it's an absolute delight compared. There are quite a number of nice posters here though just the unpleasant ones seem to be the most prolific. :/

One of the beauties of free speech is that it allows normal people to spot who the "dicks" are and ignore them.

I hope posters felt the same way when the nastiness was directed at Claudia, Louise and Ed etc and said so.

Threads don't often have such obnoxious titles. This one kind of drew attention to itself - which was the point of it.

Personally I don't feel that his crying is fake and agree that it is healthy for men to cry but...

BIB 1 : Are you really equating people criticizing his unusually high levels of crying on the show with the incidence of male suicide? That seems a bit much and perhaps not very appropriate. I am also confused by the other FMs applauding your assertion. Maybe a bit of perspective would help.

BIB 2: Classic straw-man argument that, to be fair, is evident from a few posts. I didn't notice many, if any, posts saying men shouldn't show emotion (or even cry in public). Frankly there have been many times men have cried on the show, including multiple other examples this last weekend. If your claim was valid in this context there would be endless similar threads about many contestants. It is clearly more about the frequency of it, perhaps in relation to the context. I wouldn't say that necessarily justifies the level of criticism but I can see why it annoys some people.


This is largely how I feel too. I have tried to like him as Joanne is probably my favourite of the pros and therefore have been happy he has stayed, but do find him quite irritating. It's tricky to explain specifically but in interviews he seems quite self-indulgent to me. The crying just adds to it although I don't think he is faking (possibly the earnest stuff in interviews though). Ultimately who knows but that's my impression. It could be simply a personality type that doesn't appeal to me, as you say.

I dunno. Some of us stood in the wings and just thought about the divine whiskey and ginger/gin/beer we could have waiting for us afterwards.

Yes, it is wildly exciting and you can't wait to hit the stage, but what you describe sounds more like someone doing a speech at the school fete for the first time

I can't see any problem at all with men crying, for whatever reason.

But turning on the fake waterworks in order to sway or manipulate an audience just makes me want to slap them with their man bag.

And no, I do not loathe Ore. I think he has actual talent and great legs. The sobbing I could really do without.

Speech at a school fete I could handle. But if I get a sense that anyone is paying attention to me dancing at a social or similar, I get sort of foot tied.

I thought accepting the role of teaching assistant would help and it sort of does but only because I am concentrating on doing the cleanest example of whatever the step is that I can.

Ore is a seasoned presenter and hardly comes across as a shy, shrinking violet. Poking his tongue out at the camera and pulling cocky faces doesn't exactly ring true with someone who isn't extremely confident. He also knows how to play the audience with his oh so humble persona

His mum and his dad are there and his wife. In whose eyes do posters imagine Ore most wants/needs to hold himself true and honest -- the eyes of his immediate family or those of unknown potential voters?

Do posters really think he would fake tears -- as a grown man -- before his eighty-year-old father?

Maybe I'm being idealistic, but I don't think anyone would so casually seek to damage the person they (hope they) are before the people who matter most to them in the world. By damage I don't mean his tears, which in my eyes are not an issue, but this accusation of dishonesty.

But you are not a performer so why would you feel comfortable? You love teaching anyway and it's clear your talents lie there, and in dancing for your own pleasure.

I got used to it very early on, and so do celebs - whether they are on TV, on a show sofa or just in front of the general public. Real nerves I can spot a mile away - possibly through having to teach others to dance or helping my clients face the media - but the fake nerves? Nah. I know it when I see it. My job is to make it go away and help them shine.

Yup! This ^^^^