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Old 13-12-2016, 03:41
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Another day, another Lords report

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-lords-report

They have examined four of the most likely options and none are looking great.
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Old 13-12-2016, 03:54
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Cross-party group of peers accuse ministers of misunderstanding nature of free trade and overestimating negotiating position

“The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade,” said the cross-party group of peers.


That's pretty devastating right there. The idea that you can have full sovereignty coupled with no freedom of movement, not even with your nearest neighbours, and yet supposedly be able to trade freely in a global economy shows you how absolutely bonkers Brexit is at an economic level (but we all know it is a purely political / populist venture).
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Old 13-12-2016, 04:24
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Cross-party group of peers accuse ministers of misunderstanding nature of free trade and overestimating negotiating position

“The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade,” said the cross-party group of peers.


That's pretty devastating right there. The idea that you can have full sovereignty coupled with no freedom of movement, not even with your nearest neighbours, and yet supposedly be able to trade freely in a global economy shows you how absolutely bonkers Brexit is at an economic level (but we all know it is a purely political / populist venture).
You'e right - UK politicians need to come clean and say that economically Brexit is going to be damaging but also remind voters that a (small) majority voted for this. But they won't because it will be political suicide.

But then even the fact that it could cost £25 billion to 'save' £18bn seems to not deflect many.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-union-uk-25bn

Knowing what will happen, people would still vote for Brexit tomorrow.
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Old 13-12-2016, 04:25
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Cross-party group of peers accuse ministers of misunderstanding nature of free trade and overestimating negotiating position

“The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade,” said the cross-party group of peers.


That's pretty devastating right there. The idea that you can have full sovereignty coupled with no freedom of movement, not even with your nearest neighbours, and yet supposedly be able to trade freely in a global economy shows you how absolutely bonkers Brexit is at an economic level (but we all know it is a purely political / populist venture).
The most sensible comment I've read about Brexit. You cannot have your cake and eat it, Mrs May. Thank goodness for the House of Lords!
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Old 13-12-2016, 06:03
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....But then even the fact that it could cost £25 billion to 'save' £18bn seems to not deflect many.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-union-uk-25bn

Knowing what will happen, people would still vote for Brexit tomorrow.
I watched Raoul Ruparel give evidence to a select committee and could not understand why anyone would waste billions to make it difficult for UK companies to trade with it's largest single market.

Turning our back on £25bn for an investment of £8bn - £10bn does not make sense.
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Old 13-12-2016, 06:53
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I guess naive is one word for it.
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Old 13-12-2016, 07:30
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..... UK politicians need to .... remind voters that a (small) majority voted for this. ......
Why hide the truth by putting 'small' in brackets?

This catastrophe is down to the votes of less than 2% of those who turned out to vote.

'SMALL' is far more descriptive than '(small)'.
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Old 13-12-2016, 07:33
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Another day, another Lords report

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-lords-report

They have examined four of the most likely options and none are looking great.
The Guardian FFS!!!
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Old 13-12-2016, 07:35
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Why hide the truth by putting 'small' in brackets?

This catastrophe is down to the votes of less than 2% of those who turned out to vote.

'SMALL' is far more descriptive than '(small)'.
What "Catastrophe"....... descriptive enough for you?
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Old 13-12-2016, 08:52
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There's a show coming to town shortly, which features a sad, deluded bunch of fantasy politicians, egged on by a fanatical rump of the population colliding with reality and facing the stark choice of leading the country into economic disaster with a smile on their faces, or making the most humiliating climb down in generations.

It won't be pretty, and it will be a surround-sound production for everyone. There will be no interval, or escape at the end.

The stupid, however, will be revealed as being very stupid indeed.
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Old 13-12-2016, 09:34
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There's a show coming to town shortly, which features a sad, deluded bunch of fantasy politicians, egged on by a fanatical rump of the population colliding with reality and facing the stark choice of leading the country into economic disaster with a smile on their faces, or making the most humiliating climb down in generations.

It won't be pretty, and it will be a surround-sound production for everyone. There will be no interval, or escape at the end.

The stupid, however, will be revealed as being very stupid indeed.
Yes, the Pied Piper is out and about leading the gullible towards the cliff edge and chaos. It is very sad.
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:02
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The Lords want to frustrate Brexit - well, what a surprise.
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:04
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There's a show coming to town shortly, which features a sad, deluded bunch of fantasy politicians, egged on by a fanatical rump of the population colliding with reality and facing the stark choice of leading the country into economic disaster with a smile on their faces, or making the most humiliating climb down in generations.

It won't be pretty, and it will be a surround-sound production for everyone. There will be no interval, or escape at the end.

The stupid, however, will be revealed as being very stupid indeed.
How long before someone trots out the magic mantra that is meant to trump every discussion ...... "Project fear."
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:14
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The Lords want to frustrate Brexit - well, what a surprise.
The nation will owe them a huge debt of gratitude if they are successful.
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:18
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The Lords want to frustrate Brexit - well, what a surprise.
You do sort of wonder how 200 countries in the world manage to engage in free trade without being part of a political union requiring freedom of movement like the EU!. There will be a transition but it will be worth it to leave a trade area which has had the lowest growth in the world in the last decade.

But no doubt the 104 unelected Lib Dem Lords will carry on talking our prospects down as they will do everything they can to frustrate Brexit. A bit like people posting endless negative threads on Internet forums.
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:24
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You do sort of wonder how 200 countries in the world manage to engage in free trade without being part of a political union requiring freedom of movement like the EU!. There will be a transition but it will be worth it to leave a trade area which has had the lowest growth in the world in the last decade.

But no doubt the 104 unelected Lib Dem Lords will carry on talking our prospects down as they will do everything they can to frustrate Brexit. A bit like people posting endless negative threads on Internet forums.
Like you?

The 104 LibDem Lords have a combined intelligence greater than that of the entire Leave vote. We desperate need them to save us from the wreckers.
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:28
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You do sort of wonder how 200 countries in the world manage to engage in free trade without being part of a political union requiring freedom of movement like the EU!. There will be a transition but it will be worth it to leave a trade area which has had the lowest growth in the world in the last decade.

But no doubt the 104 unelected Lib Dem Lords will carry on talking our prospects down as they will do everything they can to frustrate Brexit. A bit like people posting endless negative threads on Internet forums.
It really is like the Up Pompeii soothsayers convention on here, woe woe and thrice is woe!!!!
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:44
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You do sort of wonder how 200 countries in the world manage to engage in free trade without being part of a political union requiring freedom of movement like the EU!.
I am sure that the Swiss - a people so wary of international engagement that they only joined the UN in the 1990s - don't believe that EFTA, which has freedom of movement, constitutes a "political union".

Nor indeed do any of EFTA's other members.

Rather EFTA, just like the EU, can only be described as being a "political union" in the sense that they pursue common political goals (such as free trade) in union (ie together).

There will be a transition
Yeah, of course there will, because all the politicians of the EU have nothing better to do with their time than to bend over backwards to give our Brexit politicians an amazing deal to save them from being hoisted on their own petard.
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:58
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The 104 LibDem Lords have a combined intelligence greater than that of the entire Leave vote. We desperate need them to save us from the wreckers.
So insulting - as ever.

How much intelligence does it require to become a Lib Dem party hack, get kicked out by the voters, be a party donor or carry Clegg, Ashdown or Campbell's bags - the only reason most of them are in the Lords.
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Old 13-12-2016, 11:02
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You follow an insult with an insult?
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Old 13-12-2016, 11:07
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You follow an insult with an insult?
One poster insulted 17.4 million people.

I merely noted that there are 104 Lib Dem peers who were appointed because they were

Party hacks
Ex MPS who got kicked out by voters
Used to be assistants to the party leaders or
Party donors
Plus some hereditaries who sit there cos their great grandad X 10 was mates with Henry VIII

Cos that's what almost all of them are if you bothered to check the list out. And we never voted for any of them!

One was an insult - another was merely pointing out the facts!
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Old 13-12-2016, 12:04
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Oh goody ano thread telling us what we've already heard more than once before, it really is Groundhog Day on here.
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:35
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The remain camp get more delusional by the day. lol
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:48
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The remain camp get more delusional by the day. lol
Do you mean the House of Lords committee?
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:52
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Do you mean the House of Lords committee?
All of them.

We are leaving, handle it !
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