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UK 'naive to expect easy ride in Brexit trade talks'
Another day, another Lords report
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-lords-report They have examined four of the most likely options and none are looking great. |
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Cross-party group of peers accuse ministers of misunderstanding nature of free trade and overestimating negotiating position
“The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade,” said the cross-party group of peers. That's pretty devastating right there. The idea that you can have full sovereignty coupled with no freedom of movement, not even with your nearest neighbours, and yet supposedly be able to trade freely in a global economy shows you how absolutely bonkers Brexit is at an economic level (but we all know it is a purely political / populist venture). |
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Cross-party group of peers accuse ministers of misunderstanding nature of free trade and overestimating negotiating position
“The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade,” said the cross-party group of peers. That's pretty devastating right there. The idea that you can have full sovereignty coupled with no freedom of movement, not even with your nearest neighbours, and yet supposedly be able to trade freely in a global economy shows you how absolutely bonkers Brexit is at an economic level (but we all know it is a purely political / populist venture). But then even the fact that it could cost £25 billion to 'save' £18bn seems to not deflect many. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-union-uk-25bn Knowing what will happen, people would still vote for Brexit tomorrow. |
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Cross-party group of peers accuse ministers of misunderstanding nature of free trade and overestimating negotiating position
“The notion that a country can have complete regulatory sovereignty while engaging in comprehensive free trade with partners is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of free trade,” said the cross-party group of peers. That's pretty devastating right there. The idea that you can have full sovereignty coupled with no freedom of movement, not even with your nearest neighbours, and yet supposedly be able to trade freely in a global economy shows you how absolutely bonkers Brexit is at an economic level (but we all know it is a purely political / populist venture). |
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....But then even the fact that it could cost £25 billion to 'save' £18bn seems to not deflect many.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-union-uk-25bn Knowing what will happen, people would still vote for Brexit tomorrow. Turning our back on £25bn for an investment of £8bn - £10bn does not make sense. |
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I guess naive is one word for it.
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..... UK politicians need to .... remind voters that a (small) majority voted for this. ......
This catastrophe is down to the votes of less than 2% of those who turned out to vote. 'SMALL' is far more descriptive than '(small)'. |
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Another day, another Lords report
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-lords-report They have examined four of the most likely options and none are looking great. |
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Why hide the truth by putting 'small' in brackets?
This catastrophe is down to the votes of less than 2% of those who turned out to vote. 'SMALL' is far more descriptive than '(small)'. |
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There's a show coming to town shortly, which features a sad, deluded bunch of fantasy politicians, egged on by a fanatical rump of the population colliding with reality and facing the stark choice of leading the country into economic disaster with a smile on their faces, or making the most humiliating climb down in generations.
It won't be pretty, and it will be a surround-sound production for everyone. There will be no interval, or escape at the end. The stupid, however, will be revealed as being very stupid indeed. |
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There's a show coming to town shortly, which features a sad, deluded bunch of fantasy politicians, egged on by a fanatical rump of the population colliding with reality and facing the stark choice of leading the country into economic disaster with a smile on their faces, or making the most humiliating climb down in generations.
It won't be pretty, and it will be a surround-sound production for everyone. There will be no interval, or escape at the end. The stupid, however, will be revealed as being very stupid indeed. |
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The Lords want to frustrate Brexit - well, what a surprise.
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There's a show coming to town shortly, which features a sad, deluded bunch of fantasy politicians, egged on by a fanatical rump of the population colliding with reality and facing the stark choice of leading the country into economic disaster with a smile on their faces, or making the most humiliating climb down in generations.
It won't be pretty, and it will be a surround-sound production for everyone. There will be no interval, or escape at the end. The stupid, however, will be revealed as being very stupid indeed. |
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The Lords want to frustrate Brexit - well, what a surprise.
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The Lords want to frustrate Brexit - well, what a surprise.
. There will be a transition but it will be worth it to leave a trade area which has had the lowest growth in the world in the last decade.But no doubt the 104 unelected Lib Dem Lords will carry on talking our prospects down as they will do everything they can to frustrate Brexit. A bit like people posting endless negative threads on Internet forums. |
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You do sort of wonder how 200 countries in the world manage to engage in free trade without being part of a political union requiring freedom of movement like the EU!
. There will be a transition but it will be worth it to leave a trade area which has had the lowest growth in the world in the last decade.But no doubt the 104 unelected Lib Dem Lords will carry on talking our prospects down as they will do everything they can to frustrate Brexit. A bit like people posting endless negative threads on Internet forums. The 104 LibDem Lords have a combined intelligence greater than that of the entire Leave vote. We desperate need them to save us from the wreckers. |
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You do sort of wonder how 200 countries in the world manage to engage in free trade without being part of a political union requiring freedom of movement like the EU!
. There will be a transition but it will be worth it to leave a trade area which has had the lowest growth in the world in the last decade.But no doubt the 104 unelected Lib Dem Lords will carry on talking our prospects down as they will do everything they can to frustrate Brexit. A bit like people posting endless negative threads on Internet forums. |
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You do sort of wonder how 200 countries in the world manage to engage in free trade without being part of a political union requiring freedom of movement like the EU!
.![]() Nor indeed do any of EFTA's other members. Rather EFTA, just like the EU, can only be described as being a "political union" in the sense that they pursue common political goals (such as free trade) in union (ie together). Quote:
There will be a transition
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Like you?
The 104 LibDem Lords have a combined intelligence greater than that of the entire Leave vote. We desperate need them to save us from the wreckers. How much intelligence does it require to become a Lib Dem party hack, get kicked out by the voters, be a party donor or carry Clegg, Ashdown or Campbell's bags - the only reason most of them are in the Lords. |
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You follow an insult with an insult?
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You follow an insult with an insult?
I merely noted that there are 104 Lib Dem peers who were appointed because they were Party hacks Ex MPS who got kicked out by voters Used to be assistants to the party leaders or Party donors Plus some hereditaries who sit there cos their great grandad X 10 was mates with Henry VIII Cos that's what almost all of them are if you bothered to check the list out. And we never voted for any of them! One was an insult - another was merely pointing out the facts! |
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Oh goody ano thread telling us what we've already heard more than once before, it really is Groundhog Day on here.
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The remain camp get more delusional by the day. lol
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The remain camp get more delusional by the day. lol
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Do you mean the House of Lords committee?
We are leaving, handle it ! |
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. There will be a transition but it will be worth it to leave a trade area which has had the lowest growth in the world in the last decade.