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I had a look at their website yesterday out of curiosity. I hope that doesn't put me on some sort of list for monitoring (actually I'm not that bothered, they'd get bored very quickly). I was struck by how similar their rhetoric was to the many banned Islamic extremist groups.
If you replaced the words 'white' or 'English' with Islamic and removed the Nazi symbolism (skull and crossbones motifs, photos of Nazi salutes) it would be hard to differentiate the two. The requirements to join were interesting. Stated aim of being primarily a youth group including inspiring stories about activists who were still in secondary school. To join you must be prepared to attend training courses where you would recieve a 'blow to the head' to make sure you're ready for action. No people with mental illness, including homosexuality. It's okay to have doubts about the cause, your older buddy would ensure that your questions are fully answered. Must be white British and willing to participate in action; failure to participate will mean eventual expulsion. Failure to observe a strict dress code would result in a warning then expulsion. Doesn't sound very appealing to me but then I suppose I'm not their target. |
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Been saying this for years now, if you didn't look at the names and just looked at their attitudes towards various areas of society and their ideas for dealing with them, the far right and Islamic extremists have far more in common than they do things which divide them,
I'm surprised they don't get on better. |
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I had a look at their website yesterday out of curiosity. I hope that doesn't put me on some sort of list for monitoring (actually I'm not that bothered, they'd get bored very quickly).
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Why do you call them Islamic extremists when what they are doing is mainly defined in the religious book and the reasons to dislike 'others' are also there for all to see? Surely the ideas behind any organisation is what is stated by their literature?
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Until reading this I thought they were just another protests group a bit like the EDL. I am all for free speech but on this occasion I agree with the ban
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People who insisted that Thomas Mair was shouting "Britain's Got Talent" in Birstall town centre will probably be relaxed about these groups.
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There was an interesting discussion on Newsnight last night of how far right and Islamist extremists are practically feeding off each other. It's almost in their interest for the "cultural war" between Islam and the West to be ramped up.
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There was an interesting discussion on Newsnight last night of how far right and Islamist extremists are practically feeding off each other. It's almost in their interest for the "cultural war" between Islam and the West to be ramped up.
It's the same with Islamist groups and far-right groups in this country. |
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Of course. It's a small scale version of what ISIS are doing. There is nothing for ISIS in murder, it doesn't matter to them. They want to provoke a war.
It's the same with Islamist groups and far-right groups in this country. |
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Isis want Islamic domination of the world. Thankfully their days are numbered.
Same with the far right. They want to indoctrinate. |
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Isis want Islamic domination of the world. Thankfully their days are numbered.
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As a group, yes (until the next group). But their damage is done. To young people indoctrinated, to democracy, to the relative peace in Europe. It isn't about guns and bombs.
Same with the far right. They want to indoctrinate. |
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Some people have different views on what they call far right. I vote UKIP to some people that makes me far right. I don't consider myself far right. I am just anti EU
Those other kind of groups are way beyond UKIP. |
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So presumably you have no problem with Islamic extremists spouting their hatred?
Or are you selective as to who can hate preach? |
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When was the last time a far left group planted nail bombs in pubs? murdered an MP? Murdered loads of youngsters enjoying a holiday?
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Isn't that their interpretation of the book that is extreme, hence the name
100 people in this group? Obviously a bunch of headers but do they warrant a ban? Why don't they monitor them? They monitor 4000 Islamic extremists 24 hours a day in believe. |
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I don't consider UKIP to be far right, although I think they are clever to stay just the right side of the line.
Those other kind of groups are way beyond UKIP. |
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Back in the IRA days, so early-mid 90s.
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You think the IRA are left wing in their views? really? punishment beatings, knee cappings, and executions for things like drug dealing, dating someone from 'the other side' racial and religious discrimination are left wing attitudes and ideals?
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You think the IRA are left wing in their views? really? punishment beatings, knee cappings, and executions for things like drug dealing, dating someone from 'the other side' racial and religious discrimination are left wing attitudes and ideals?
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Well, certainly Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abott & John McConnell all consider Sinn Fein/IRA to be a leftist party. Although Sinn Fein did support the Nazis during the war.
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You think the IRA are left wing in their views? really? punishment beatings, knee cappings, and executions for things like drug dealing, dating someone from 'the other side' racial and religious discrimination are left wing attitudes and ideals?
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I don't consider UKIP to be far right, although I think they are clever to stay just the right side of the line.
Same with UKIP. They'll hide what they are until they get within a whisker of authority, then gradually reveal their true nature. |
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UKIP are most certainly Far Right. The fact that they have to go out of their way to be 'clever', to hide their Fascistic leanings, speaks volumes about the ideology underpinning their entire political rhetoric. Some people sympathetic to Nige's 'common man' act roll their eyes when you mention Nazism in the same breath as UKIP, but Adolf's mob didn't start out by saying: "We'd like to exterminate everyone who disagrees with us!", otherwise they would never have gotten into power.
Same with UKIP. They'll hide what they are until they get within a whisker of authority, then gradually reveal their true nature. |
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UKIP are most certainly Far Right. The fact that they have to go out of their way to be 'clever', to hide their Fascistic leanings, speaks volumes about the ideology underpinning their entire political rhetoric. Some people sympathetic to Nige's 'common man' act roll their eyes when you mention Nazism in the same breath as UKIP, but Adolf's mob didn't start out by saying: "We'd like to exterminate everyone who disagrees with us!", otherwise they would never have gotten into power.
Same with UKIP. They'll hide what they are until they get within a whisker of authority, then gradually reveal their true nature. |
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