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Old 13-12-2016, 17:39
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With growing evidence of far right extremists increasing Amber Rudd has taken action against one group...
Seems like a good starting point.
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:15
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I suspect that people roll their eyes when you mention Nazism because you throw out allegations about groups' "true nature" without evidence.
I know what latent Fascism looks like when I see it. I also know what it means when someone pretends not to see it, or turns a blind eye to it by making excuses for what is staring them in the face...
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:22
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Isn't that their interpretation of the book that is extreme, hence the name
Well if a book says that those who do not believe in the book are the vilest of creatures and should not be trusted here in this life would you call believing that interpretation or just plain following the word?
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:23
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I agree. Lets pussyfoot around the periphery on this and ignore what the real problem is.
The other lot are being dealt with as well.

Look at Page 5 onwards.
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:25
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People who insisted that Thomas Mair was shouting "Britain's Got Talent" in Birstall town centre will probably be relaxed about these groups.
Apparently there is a very large outbreak of mentally ill people shouting Allah Akbar and killing people all over the world so anything is possible.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:05
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I know what latent Fascism looks like when I see it. I also know what it means when someone pretends not to see it, or turns a blind eye to it by making excuses for what is staring them in the face...
Oh do go on, what does it look like? I'm dying to know.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:11
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UKIP are most certainly Far Right. The fact that they have to go out of their way to be 'clever', to hide their Fascistic leanings, speaks volumes about the ideology underpinning their entire political rhetoric. Some people sympathetic to Nige's 'common man' act roll their eyes when you mention Nazism in the same breath as UKIP, but Adolf's mob didn't start out by saying: "We'd like to exterminate everyone who disagrees with us!", otherwise they would never have gotten into power.

Same with UKIP. They'll hide what they are until they get within a whisker of authority, then gradually reveal their true nature.
Also, they are being aided and abetted by the right wing press. If the Daily Express for example was to describe Farage and UKIP as being far right, then they would be conceding they, as Farage supporters, are a far right newspaper. So they have to come up with euphemisms about UKIP merely being 'Eurosceptic' and 'anti establishment' etc. There is a fair bit of smoke and mirrors going on : apparently nobody in Britain is far right, apart from the BNP and the EDL (who have absolutely miniscule support).
It's when I read posts like these, I recognise where the danger is.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:18
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It's when I read posts like these, I recognise where the danger is.
Where would that be then?
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:53
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It's when I read posts like these, I recognise where the danger is.
It seems many countries in Europe have a large far right party, countries like France, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria and Hungary.....parties with immigration concerns and nationalism as their main platform.

Bizarrely though, Britain apparently doesn't have one. UKIP are merely a bunch of 'Eurosceptics' according to the narrative of the right wing press.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:54
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I suspect that people roll their eyes when you mention Nazism because you throw out allegations about groups' "true nature" without evidence.
This is the nature of the left in general any group may say I wish to sit on my grannie's porch and talk over old times and the left will say what they really mean is they wish to build a fascist government and send all immigrants home. Islam says we should take the vote away from non believers who are the vilest of creatures and wives should be beaten to keep them in their place and the left say well they do not really mean it they are a religion of peace and love and respect for all people.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:55
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I know it seems daft but couldn't a majority party in theory classify everyone else as a terrorist organization and thus usurp the power of parliament as everyone must support the states only party. You'd have it very easy when only that parties approved person is on the list.
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Old 13-12-2016, 20:14
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It seems many countries in Europe have a large far right party, countries like France, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria and Hungary.....parties with immigration concerns and nationalism as their main platform.

Bizarrely though, Britain apparently doesn't have one. UKIP are merely a bunch of 'Eurosceptics' according to the narrative of the right wing press.
Seems I was right about where the dangers lie.
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Old 13-12-2016, 20:22
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Seems I was right about where the dangers lie.
UKIP?
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Old 13-12-2016, 20:24
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This is the nature of the left in general any group may say I wish to sit on my grannie's porch and talk over old times and the left will say what they really mean is they wish to build a fascist government and send all immigrants home. Islam says we should take the vote away from non believers who are the vilest of creatures and wives should be beaten to keep them in their place and the left say well they do not really mean it they are a religion of peace and love and respect for all people.
So far in this thread about a neo Nazi (use of Nazi symbolism, salutes and self described as proud National Socialists) group who target school children for recruitment and train them to become inured to violence (expected to take a 'blow to the head' as part of training) you have questioned the nature of Islamic extremism and criticised left wingers.

Do you think that the government were right to add this group to their list of banned organisations?
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:38
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This is the nature of the left in general any group may say I wish to sit on my grannie's porch and talk over old times and the left will say what they really mean is they wish to build a fascist government and send all immigrants home. Islam says we should take the vote away from non believers who are the vilest of creatures and wives should be beaten to keep th2em in their place and the left say well they do not really mean it they are a religion of peace and love and respect for all people.
The bible says gay people should be stoned to death and women having periods are unclean, so I don't understand what your point about Islam is. The Koran is no more violent or backwards than the bible.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:41
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The bible says gay people should be stoned to death and women having periods are unclean, so I don't understand what your point about Islam is. The Koran is no more violent or backwards than the bible.
Islamists accept the Old Testament, Islam is an Abrahamic religion.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:36
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Wait untill they define people on benefits as a hate group.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:43
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Wait untill they define people on benefits as a hate group.
Everyone is a 'potential' terrorist and thus why we have the snoopers charter, either you are a part of the state or you a potential enemy.
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