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SOAP is a dying artform. Most DULL Christmas on record
This is shaping up to be the dullest, most uneventful christmas in soap history.
NONE of the show show runners on any of the soaps are bringing anything good to the table. Im sick of people on here defended SOCs on EastEnders 'He's just getting started' etc Sorry, Now is when we should be in FULL swing ready for Christmas And IF either Ronnie or Roxy is killed in January this will be second only to Killing Pat Butcher. An absolute travesty for such ;legendary characters, especially Ronnie They deserve so much more, so much bigger What happened to the big EVENT episodes with EE. Remember in the early 00's with we had big massive episodes that had everyone talking. I think soap is a dying art form Theres only so many term crashes and explosions and affairs we can watch before people become bored. Ive a feeling in 10 years time at least one of the big 3 won't be around anymore |
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While I agree with soap in general being a dying art, you've concluded you're view if not only based on the current form of EastEnders. This is nothing against you when I say this but it's not the only soap around
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While I agree with soap in general being a dying art, you've concluded you're view if not only based on the current form of EastEnders. This is nothing against you when I say this but it's not the only soap around
Coronation Street AND Emmerdale are also both in terrible shape |
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Soap isn't dying, but it isn't what it used to be. If you're basing your comments on ratings, then that's inaccurate because the figures soaps get for people watching as it goes out are, indeed, less, but millions of people catch up via online platforms. So, no it's not dying, I disagree.
You mentioned above that you were sick of people saying anything like 'he's just getting started' regarding SOC. Well, sorry, but I'm going to say it. You can't stop me. He's getting started. Why shouldn't I say it? It's my opinion. Yours is that he's not a good producer. I accept that. And I'm pretty sick of hearing it too. My opinion is that he's turned the show from being pretty sensationalist and, near the end, in danger of jumping the shark, under DTC, into a much gentler, character-led drama. He's spending time and allowing us to get to know the characters again, and that's going to enforce the drama going forward. I really, really believe he will be a good producer for the show. Yes, it's a little slow at times but I care deeply about these characters for the first time in a long while. To be clear, I liked DTC's era - but I think he got carried away near the end. Can I also remind you that 90% of EastEnders' storylines over the festive period are embargoed. Do you not think that might be because there are exciting twists they don't want getting out? I also don't think you can compare Ronnie with Pat. Ronnie's a popular character, but she's not a legend yet. Her exit may solidify her status, though, depending on how it's done. All just my opinion. You have yours, I have mine. It'd be great to debate this more with you. |
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I' m looking forward to ED' s Christmas - the upcoming in Ashley, Cain and Moira stuff looks great. Stories about actual characters, not thrills and spills, or 'big reveals'
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1. I think soap is a dying art form 2. Theres only so many term crashes and explosions and affairs we can watch before people become bored. ![]() 2. So what would you prefer that involves neither 'high drama' nor relationship issues, that you would find engrossing and riveting? |
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I' m looking forward to ED' s Christmas - the upcoming in Ashley, Cain and Moira stuff looks great. Stories about actual characters, not thrills and spills, or 'big reveals'
I'd say it's in better shape than last year.
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Emmerdale is really doing ground breaking work at the moment I don't think I've ever seen such great acting in a soap as we have with the dementia storyline, everyone involved so realistic.
The Christmas episodes look as if they will be hard to watch they are going to be so good. EE ? No idea stopped watching years ago when it all became too dreary and corrie I stopped when it became more panto than soap. They may have changed and improved again I guess but I'm not tempted. |
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Soap isn't dying, but it isn't what it used to be. If you're basing your comments on ratings, then that's inaccurate because the figures soaps get for people watching as it goes out are, indeed, less, but millions of people catch up via online platforms. So, no it's not dying, I disagree.
You mentioned above that you were sick of people saying anything like 'he's just getting started' regarding SOC. Well, sorry, but I'm going to say it. You can't stop me. He's getting started. Why shouldn't I say it? It's my opinion. Yours is that he's not a good producer. I accept that. And I'm pretty sick of hearing it too. My opinion is that he's turned the show from being pretty sensationalist and, near the end, in danger of jumping the shark, under DTC, into a much gentler, character-led drama. He's spending time and allowing us to get to know the characters again, and that's going to enforce the drama going forward. I really, really believe he will be a good producer for the show. Yes, it's a little slow at times but I care deeply about these characters for the first time in a long while. To be clear, I liked DTC's era - but I think he got carried away near the end. Can I also remind you that 90% of EastEnders' storylines over the festive period are embargoed. Do you not think that might be because there are exciting twists they don't want getting out? I also don't think you can compare Ronnie with Pat. Ronnie's a popular character, but she's not a legend yet. Her exit may solidify her status, though, depending on how it's done. All just my opinion. You have yours, I have mine. It'd be great to debate this more with you. ofcourse we all have different opinions, but its my opinion that EastEnders is shite under this current producer and i will MORE than likely be giving up on it in the new year. There are other soaps though, and Corrie and Emmerdale are in far better shape than they were this time last year. they cannot even be compared to EastEnders at the moment as atleast they have engaging characters and storylines. But yes soaps in general are losing their charm, i think one needs to go, and as the BBC is public funded i am sure we know which one it is ...
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I have some sympathy with the OP. I can't speak of Eastenders as I only see odd scenes of characters that interest me on You Tube. I do think they have made a mistake in getting rid of Lee, though, and indeed all of the 5 characters before O'Connor had the chance to see what could be done with them, when certain other people, who seem fireproof have dreared on for years, and seem to still be safe. That applies to Coronation Street and Emmerdale as well though. Boring characters go on for years whereas newcomers are disposed of.
The real problem is that all the soaps produce far too many episodes each week, and in the days when only two or three episodes of each were broadcast each week they could concentrate of character development, quality writing and the burying of stupid stories. Now they have to keep feeding the machine with dire characters and dull stories, each more unlikely or extreme than the last "super soap weeks" demonstrate this very clearly, and of course Xmas means extended episodes of them all. Certainly Emmerdale has gone off terribly this year. One of the Xmas highlights is Zac and Lisa stealing a Xmas tree, which makes them sentimental about their old days,God help us. |
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Maybe the drama lies in the acting and writing, the character driven instead of high octane dramatics, for once maybe we should just wait and see the result before saying its shit.
All the soaps, part from HO have had major change overs this year, most half way through the year, so yes things are only really getting started. |
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Emmerdale and Corrie have been quite good though.
EastEnders is mind numbing so I will be giving that a miss on Xmas Day. |
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I've got a feeling Emmerdale is going to be the dark horse of the Christmas period. It certainly looks promising and Ashley's dementia has been wonderfully acted.
EE - I reckon it will probably deliver, but I won't say anything until the big night. |
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I'm surprised that you have been able to watch the Christmas soap episodes already to judge.
But, if on the off chance that someone on DS is basing a slam on something they haven't seen yet, you should know that not everything has been revealed about what's in store for Christmas. Maybe save the 'WORST CHRISTMAS EVER' stuff for after they have aired |
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Last year's Christmas episode was pretty dull from what I remember. It certainly can't be any worse than that. But I actually think this year will be really decent and exciting going from what we know and also, crucially, what we don't know.
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I'm surprised that you have been able to watch the Christmas soap episodes already to judge.
But, if on the off chance that someone on DS is basing a slam on something they haven't seen yet, you should know that not everything has been revealed about what's in store for Christmas. Maybe save the 'WORST CHRISTMAS EVER' stuff for after they have aired
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I'm surprised that you have been able to watch the Christmas soap episodes already to judge.
But, if on the off chance that someone on DS is basing a slam on something they haven't seen yet, you should know that not everything has been revealed about what's in store for Christmas. Maybe save the 'WORST CHRISTMAS EVER' stuff for after they have aired ![]()
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I agree the soaps are dying. TV is changing and soaps are quite dated these days. EastEnders, for example, is currently like watching an episode of Coronation Street from the early 90's. Not bad but not exactly exciting when there's so much more to choose from on Netflix and other places. I don't watch the other soaps anymore (never watched Emmerdale) but there's not much buzz about them either on here these days.
I know people are going to say EastEnders is going back to its roots but I watched it from the start and it's never been this wishy washy. If I wanted to watch a bunch of unlikeable people go about their mundane boring lives I'd spend more time with my family. TV is supposed to entertain. |
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Emmerdale is really doing ground breaking work at the moment I don't think I've ever seen such great acting in a soap as we have with the dementia storyline, everyone involved so realistic.
The Christmas episodes look as if they will be hard to watch they are going to be so good. EE ? No idea stopped watching years ago when it all became too dreary and corrie I stopped when it became more panto than soap. They may have changed and improved again I guess but I'm not tempted. |
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EE is to dreary, yet in the paragraph before you said how great the harrowing dementia storyline was :s
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There is a difference between dreary and great story telling with fantastic acting. Emmerdale is doing the best I've seen since the baby swap and death story line a few years ago, we have fantastic actors in Emmy IMO.
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I look forward to Eastenders And Emmerdale
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I have some sympathy with the OP. I can't speak of Eastenders as I only see odd scenes of characters that interest me on You Tube. I do think they have made a mistake in getting rid of Lee, though, and indeed all of the 5 characters before O'Connor had the chance to see what could be done with them, when certain other people, who seem fireproof have dreared on for years, and seem to still be safe. That applies to Coronation Street and Emmerdale as well though. Boring characters go on for years whereas newcomers are disposed of.
The real problem is that all the soaps produce far too many episodes each week, and in the days when only two or three episodes of each were broadcast each week they could concentrate of character development, quality writing and the burying of stupid stories. Now they have to keep feeding the machine with dire characters and dull stories, each more unlikely or extreme than the last "super soap weeks" demonstrate this very clearly, and of course Xmas means extended episodes of them all. Certainly Emmerdale has gone off terribly this year. One of the Xmas highlights is Zac and Lisa stealing a Xmas tree, which makes them sentimental about their old days,God help us.
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To be fair this year has seen a lot of change especially for EE and CS so we are probably still feeling the tremors.
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EE is too dreary yet ED have explosions/deaths every week LOL!!!
Emmerdale has a little comedy, drama and occasional boring stories, get the mix right and you get excellent drama. I don't think ee has ever been comedic in any way. |
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