DS Forums

 
 

Aleppo


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 13-12-2016, 17:49
anne_666
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 30,215
A peaceful period of several years while they rebuild. Remain in power till the Syrian people don't want him in power anymore.
The majority of Syrians fled the country because of Assad. I'm not sure they'll be too keen to return with him still in power.
anne_666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 13-12-2016, 17:50
Maggie 55
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,492
e.

What kind of ruler is Assad then?
He was the ruler of a state consisting of various tribal and religious elements that if they were given power and free reign would massacre huge numbers of the opposing group. They don't believe in compromise and 'live and let live'.

This is a situation that he had to manage. He created a largely secular government, with one of the best educated free and wealthy societies in the Middle East. One where women were not viciously oppressed.

Of course his methods of maintaining this and keeping the lid on the barbarians were immediate and forceful to a level beyond what we see in our liberal democratic societies.

Perhaps he should have been more like us and dragged these people before magistrates who could have issued a few fines and community service orders.
That'll show them not to mess around with this society!

Looks like he takes a different view on what needs to be done to maintain some sort of civilised society.



Maggie
Maggie 55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 17:54
Maggie 55
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,492
The majority of Syrians fled the country because of Assad. I'm not sure they'll be too keen to return with him still in power.
The majority of Syrians moved to Assad controlled territory when the 'moderate' rebels couldn't catch them and inflict their medieval barbarity on them.



Maggie
Maggie 55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 17:58
Setantii
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 353
But there's more to what's going on in Aleppo than civilians being "in the way". I've read of pro-Assad soldiers actually going into homes and shooting people dead. That's what I find most troublesome.
The only source for this allegation is a terrorist fighter in Aleppo.

It could be true but I wouldn't take any statements from brutal beheaders as fact.
Setantii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:02
Setantii
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 353
Or perhaps we just let Assad roll over Aleppo and the rest of Syria, killing all those who stand against him, until he wins?
If you feel that strongly about it pack your bags and head over there to fight Assad's regime. You'd fit in well seeing as over 50% of the people still fighting Assad are foreigners.
Setantii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:12
Maggie 55
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,492
If you feel that strongly about it pack your bags and head over there to fight Assad's regime. You'd fit in well seeing as over 50% of the people still fighting Assad are foreigners.
The Western media, pushing the anti-Russian line as usual, report that Assad's troop's are detaining males they find in the rebel areas.

This is sensible given who has been doing the killing, the beheading etc.

Hopefully he will try and deal humanely with the Syrian born men and get to the bottom of what they have been up to.

For the foreign born males???

Well let's hope we never have to see them back in our Western societies again.




Maggie
Maggie 55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:13
Jellied Eel
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In a jar, on a shelf
Posts: 31,698
The majority of Syrians fled the country because of Assad. I'm not sure they'll be too keen to return with him still in power.
How do you know this? It would be interesting to look at the religious/political background of Syrian refugees. Were they really fleeing Assad, or the 'moderate terrorists' trying to depose him.. Some of whom have been documented doing their own ethnic cleansing.
Jellied Eel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:16
Jellied Eel
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In a jar, on a shelf
Posts: 31,698
In countries that have historically had systems that are just a few steps away from being governed by tribal warlords, it's unrealistic to expect a western style democracy to emerge from the ruins. The foundations to build that on simply don't exist.
Yup. And there's also the problem of us in the West drawing lines on maps. Whether that was partioning in India, which lead to many deaths, or Sykes-Picot and the creation of Syria from the spoils of the Ottoman Empire.
Jellied Eel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:16
HenryGarten
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 19,568
Syria was a perfectly nice country until the "moderate" rebels took a hand.
HenryGarten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:17
Setantii
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 353
Why are you shocked?

Do you really believe we want to get involved in Syria for humanitarian reasons?

The West was more then happy to support Neo-Nazi's overthrowing the Government of Ukraine.
Setantii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:19
HenryGarten
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 19,568
Or perhaps we just let Assad roll over Aleppo and the rest of Syria, killing all those who stand against him, until he wins?
Getting back to where things were in 2011.
HenryGarten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:44
OvertheUnder
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,053
If you feel that strongly about it pack your bags and head over there to fight Assad's regime. You'd fit in well seeing as over 50% of the people still fighting Assad are foreigners.
Very clever!!! However I think my efforts would be best used in my little armchair. Perhaps you can go Aleppo and tell those pesky freedom fighters to behave and accept that their wives, daughters will be brutally raped by Assad's troops whilst theirs sons, brothers, will be tortured to death in the street. After all they are terrorists.

Once the troops are finished, the Russians can barrel bomb the terrorist's home and bury everyone alive.
OvertheUnder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 18:59
SULLA
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Black Country lad in Yorkshire
Posts: 118,101
Is Assad any better than IS?
Certainly

Or perhaps we just let Assad roll over Aleppo and the rest of Syria, killing all those who stand against him, until he wins?
Or perhaps we should just bring the war to an end rather than let it drag on and on

What does Putin get in return for helping Assad?
Experienced pilots for starters.
SULLA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:08
oncemore
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: usa
Posts: 2,456
Syria was a perfectly nice country until the "moderate" rebels took a hand.
Clearly, since people were wanting change and were killed for it. It may have been more stable, but "perfectly nice" is a stretch.
oncemore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:16
AnotherPOV
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 726
Russia wouldn't be able to fight Israel, as it would involve the US, who the Russians definitely don't want to fight.
Russia would wipe Israels military off the map.
AnotherPOV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:17
johnny_boi_UK
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,055
Russia would wipe Israels military off the map.
With the forces in the region, no they couldn't.
johnny_boi_UK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:18
AnotherPOV
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 726
This is the most idiotic conspiracy theory that's been debunked here and elsewhere. Neither Saddam or Gadaffi threatened the dollar being used to buy/sell oil, and if you honestly believe that it is clear you've never studied economics.
Oil sold in Euro's, and the introduction of the gold Dinar was a major threat to the US dollar petro-dollar monopoly.
AnotherPOV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:19
AnotherPOV
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 726
With the forces in the region, no they couldn't.
Who said the forces in the region, you think Russia wouldn't turn their full attention on Israel if they did?
AnotherPOV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:20
AnotherPOV
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 726
He's just spouting random conspiracies and low-rent propaganda. Going back and forth with him is a waste of time.
No, I'm giving another point of view.
AnotherPOV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:22
AnotherPOV
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 726
Your logic is unsound. Assad will not give up power therefore the people will not get that chance for a peaceful transition.

You want to try that one again?
Sure. A peaceful period of several years while they rebuild. Remain in power till the Syrian people don't want him in power anymore. Assad has said himself he will go when the Syrian people no longer want him to remain as their president.
AnotherPOV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:23
johnny_boi_UK
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,055
Who said the forces in the region, you think Russia wouldn't turn their full attention on Israel if they did?
Wouldn't matter if they did or not there is no way in hell the Russians could supply an army large enough to fight Israel, they simply lack the logistic capability to find a large scale war that's not next door to them.
johnny_boi_UK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:26
AnotherPOV
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 726
The majority of Syrians fled the country because of Assad. I'm not sure they'll be too keen to return with him still in power.
No, they fled the war [and the terrorists], now the war is slowly coming to an end, and when the rebuilding begins they will have to go home as they no-longer have an excuse to stay out of Syria.
AnotherPOV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:28
johnny_boi_UK
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,055
No, they fled the war [and the terrorists], now the war is slowly coming to an end, and when the rebuilding begins they will have to go home as they no-longer have an excuse to stay out of Syria.
Exactly this, why we took in all the men while the women are still their baffles me
johnny_boi_UK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:29
mal2pool
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 5,529
looks like it would take years to rebuild.cant believe how every home has been damaged, just how many bombs have fell i wonder, must have cost billions. i wonder if the west hadnt gotten involved it would have been over in a few months.
we try to help but make it 100 times worse yet again.
the region needs dictators to keep every one in line, they dont like democracy it seems
mal2pool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2016, 19:31
AnotherPOV
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 726
Wouldn't matter if they did or not there is no way in hell the Russians could supply an army large enough to fight Israel, they simply lack the logistic capability to find a large scale war that's not next door to them.
Who said the Russian army would go into Israel?
AnotherPOV is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:39.