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#176 |
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I heard Typhoons travelling fast early last night. Probably on the way to Syria just in case the Syrians, Russians and Iranians start to massacre civilians..
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No Putin does not, at this moment. You can be damn sure that's his intention, he his preparing and oiling his war machine. He now has full navy access from Black sea (Crimea) through to the Mediterranean (Tartus Syira) and beyond... Russian Navy last mooning in Channel at the UK, on way to Tartus. 'Nasdarovje'
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Ha ha ha. You forget that if Israel went to war, it would be backed by the USA. Then the UK would follow along with the rest of Nato and the Commonwealth nations. Russia would become even more of a frozen empty wasteland than it already is.
![]() Yes, there's a strange element of "anti Israel pornography" at play in some of these posts, like some weird offshoot of BDSM, with posters living out death fantasies. Draw your own conclusions. Truth is, any such scenario would be a zero sum game, as we'd all be dead or living out our final days like Jim and Hilda, in "when the wind blows". But at least Israel would be gone. Hooray...
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Ha ha ha. You forget that if Israel went to war, it would be backed by the USA. Then the UK would follow along with the rest of Nato and the Commonwealth nations. Russia would become even more of a frozen empty wasteland than it already is.
But Israel's in an awkward position. It's last incursions into Lebanon and Gaza didn't go too well. Since then, Hezbollah's been busy training inside Syria and probably getting hold of new kit. Actions to free Mosul left a convenient corridor for ISIL's nutjobs to head to Syria, where they probably contributed to the capture of Palmyra.. And they've also been getting new kit. Syria could kind of return the favor and try pushing ISIL towards the Golan Heights so they become Israel's problem. Or, if we'd let the 'moderate terrorists' win, they'd likely have become Israel's problem. Either way, Israel's got a lot more nutjobs with ATGMs and various other lethal toys near it's borders. And Syria's got upgraded kit of it's own, ie new SAM and anti-ship missiles, plus the kit Russia's deployed at it's bases in Syria. And much of Russia's navy is currently near Israel, and well capable of sinking much of Israel's navy in port in Haifa. Or at least destroying port facilities there.. But naval matters are also going to be a concern for Israel, ie Iran on the other side and only a small base at Eilat. And if things kick off that side, what would happen to any ships trying to transit the Suez Canal. And then strategically, or if sides decide to start spreading the instant sunshine.. Israel has a couple of subs that might have it's subsonic 'Popeye' cruise missile and then it's Jericho ICBMs. Both of which could be vulnerable to interception by S-3/400 theatre defences, or with the slow 'Popeye's, mobile SAM systems. But assuming it stayed localised and conventional, although Israel would fight hard, it's far more vulnerable to losses, ie strikes on it's tech parks, industry and financial centres would cripple it economically. But there's been a few meetings between Netanyahu and Putin where the future of Syria was no doubt discussed. My guess is that would probably be for a contained and constrained Assad. I can't see Israel being very keen on the idea of Syria collapsing further, and having all those 'moderate terrorists' looking for new targets. |
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This makes for an interesting read: https://syria360.wordpress.com/2015/...oreign-policy/
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I suppose this is the place to post my opinion on the despicable attempt this week by the Tories to blame the atrocities in Aleppo on Labour.
There is so much I cannot forgive the Conservative party for - I guess I just add this to the list of reasons I will never vote for them. |
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Contains strong language.
https://youtu.be/Z9F-cHc5Qog Amazes me that anyone still has the nerve to push the "moderate rebels" lies or cry their crocodile tears over dead civilians. Obama was no better than Bush. |
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Contains strong language.
https://youtu.be/Z9F-cHc5Qog Amazes me that anyone still has the nerve to push the "moderate rebels" lies or cry their crocodile tears over dead civilians. Obama was no better than Bush. |
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This whole occurence in Syria is beyond horrific. Those people who are living day to day are experiencing the closest thing to hell on earth.
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Amazes me that anyone still has the nerve to push the "moderate rebels" lies or cry their crocodile tears over dead civilians.
Bartlett's interviews have been interesting. Here's another- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFEmCKHVME Hussain rubbishing Bartlett's claims from the comfort of.. Bedford. Seems like he's another Rami the rag man.. Knows what's happening 'on the ground' despite not being there. But that's perhaps why the MSM hasn't been very good at reporting this, ie relying on unreliable sources. Why that is may be due to funding challenges with MSM, so not having funding to have war correspondents in situ, along with the complications of providing safety & security for the press. |
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Oh the BBC admits that the rebels do bad. See Rebels burn evacuation buses
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The West's enthusiasm for Eastern regime changes has resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths and much suffering. This could never have happened if we had taken on and taken out all those lovable rebels who are the real cause of the problem.
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The bosphorus is closed to russian military vessels
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz9v2XeWEAAm2jO.jpg As for this bus burning, the rebels don't want anyone evacuated. Infights are currently taking place between Ahrar Al-Sham who want the evacuation agreement & Al-Nusra who don't because they want to keep the civilians as human shields in Kafaria and Fouaa. What I have found interesting is the lack of interest in the 7 year old suicide bomber this week. Surely this sets a depressing new precedent from the rebels. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/7-year-old-...tation-1597037 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/7-old-used...181159616.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-control.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...ber-no-9471626 |
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Syria is a crazy mix of factions, religions, war-lords, nutters, and bewildered ordinary people trying to live decent ordinary lives. There is little the West can do to stop this madness, and as for Russia, they should be very uneasy about terrorist reprisals in their own country. The whole thing is a hopeless mess.
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Syria is a crazy mix of factions, religions, war-lords, nutters, and bewildered ordinary people trying to live decent ordinary lives. There is little the West can do to stop this madness, and as for Russia, they should be very uneasy about terrorist reprisals in their own country. The whole thing is a hopeless mess.
We (the West) have at every stage supported the rebels - through media propaganda, through supplies and through arms. We have bolstered and apologised for Turkey at every turn and encouraged Saudi Arabia. By these actions the West has multiplied the amount of deaths and suffering in Syria. Even the protests yesterday across the globe in solidarity with the rebels displayed a huge amount of Al Qaeda banners. No one said anything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz9hH5DWIAACpZS.jpg In Aleppo they have found tonnes and tonnes of hoarded food and medicines from aid agencies the rebels purposely kept from the civilians. The West has played its part and continues to. I am haunted by the image of this girl who blew herself up and yet - all is quiet on the western front about this tragedy.. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/7-old-used...181159616.html |
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So our Syrian rebel friends are destroying evacuation busses and using 7 year old girls as suicide bombers - nice.
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Rebels just murdered another bus driver evacuating people from Kafaria & Fouaa. It is clear they dont want to lose their human shields. Another bus driver was burnt alive by the rebels earlier today.
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Oh the BBC admits that the rebels do bad. See Rebels burn evacuation buses
There must be some of the propoganda journos crying into their lattes that they can't subvert this sort of thing anymore. (Edit: Where are all the MSM & UK & US 'can do no wrong' and only Putin and Russia are baddies FMs?) |
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Oh the BBC admits that the rebels do bad. See Rebels burn evacuation buses
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So our Syrian rebel friends are destroying evacuation busses and using 7 year old girls as suicide bombers - nice.
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Rebels just murdered another bus driver evacuating people from Kafaria & Fouaa. It is clear they dont want to lose their human shields. Another bus driver was burnt alive by the rebels earlier today.
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The West's enthusiasm for Eastern regime changes has resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths and much suffering. This could never have happened if we had taken on and taken out all those lovable rebels who are the real cause of the problem.
If we hadn't set out to topple Assad and armed the rebels the civil war would never have got off the ground. Same in Libya. Our interference - and then failure to back it up has led to this horror and chaos. After Iraq, Libya and Syria what other countries are we going to try and ruin? |
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Totally agree.
If we hadn't set out to topple Assad and armed the rebels the civil war would never have got off the ground. Same in Libya. Our interference - and then failure to back it up has led to this horror and chaos. After Iraq, Libya and Syria what other countries are we going to try and ruin? |
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That can't be right. These guys are the goodies aren't they
![]() ![]() ![]() It's odd how politicians and the media have been expressing disgust at the fall of Aleppo, saying that we should have bombed the regime to blazes when we could, yet nearly everyone I come across praises the Syrian authorities and especially Russia for taking the action they did to rid the place of the rebels, who are far worse than Assad. |
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Syria is a crazy mix of factions, religions, war-lords, nutters, and bewildered ordinary people trying to live decent ordinary lives. There is little the West can do to stop this madness, and as for Russia, they should be very uneasy about terrorist reprisals in their own country. The whole thing is a hopeless mess.
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Agree .... though it gets tiresome when people blame the west for the Sunni/Shia split going on for 1400 years
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Do you know anything about 'the petrodollar' besides what you read on right-wing websites and some random youtube clips?
Petrodollar or reserve currency warfare is a myth that has been debunked multiple times, and when you trot it out you just look like someone who is ignorant of economics. Petrodollar/reserve currency warfare is your straw man. I never mentioned anything about it, nor would I as the two terms are not synonomous. Clearly your left-wing websites have left your economic knowledge lacking ![]() The american dollar is the world's reserve currency. It is not a petrodollar. The Canadian dollar is a petro dollar for example. You can clearly see the relationship between the price of oil and the strength of the looney on currency markets. Now as you mention it though, the reason why warfare is possible over the reserve currency status of the U.S. dollar is simple. The strength of the U.S. dollar is directly related to the ability of the U.S. government to borrow on world markets. If the value of U.S. treasuries are allowed to drop significantly, the U.S. could easily be crippled by the inability to finance it's rather large deficits. That said, starting wars and selling arms tends to strengthen the U.S. economy. That has been a truism since, oh, the American civil war. (That would be 1861 to 1864 for lefties like yourself.) |
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