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Old 13-12-2016, 12:52
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What more could/can the Americans do to stop the Russians winning in Aleppo?
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:10
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What more could/can the Americans do to stop the Russians winning in Aleppo?
Not much. They're helping Assad.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:41
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Just saw Osborne's speech in the Commons on the TV about this and I hate to agree with a Tory but his right.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:51
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Just saw Osborne's speech in the Commons on the TV about this and I hate to agree with a Tory but his right.
Nothing its all over bar the shouting .
Most of which will come from the US and Britain [but not from Trump]
The US and the EU will do the usual and ban Sirias diplomats[ that is until its beneficial to allow them in again ]
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:30
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Not much, plus Trump won't have the stomach to actually stand up to Putin.

We should have done more but nobody wants another war.
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:42
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Not much, plus Trump won't have the stomach to actually stand up to Putin.

We should have done more but nobody wants another war.
Trump is buddies with Putin, so will back him.
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:06
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Unless it wanted to commit combat troops, which it doesn't, not very much and the same applies to the UK.

Tbh it is probably for the best that one side or the other wins this conflict and then there is some hope of a return to something like normality after 4 years of war. I'm also not sure it matters too much which one wins it other than it isn't IS.
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:06
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Aleppo is lost. Nothing can be done to change that. What the West has to do now is try to take areas that the Russians haven't taken, and to focus on sorting out Iraq.

Stable governments should be put in charge of Libya and Yemen and those countries should be helped to transition to democracy.

We have to think about the bigger picture.. There are areas Russia controls and areas Russia doesn't control yet. Rather than wait for Russia to arrive in areas it does not yet control, we must get to those areas first, implement democracy and totally eliminate all enemies of democracy.

The biggest problem the West faces is that its enemies are more determined to fight whereas the West is apathetic and indifferent.
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:08
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Aleppo is lost. Nothing can be done to change that. What the West has to do now is try to take areas that the Russians haven't taken, and to focus on sorting out Iraq.

Stable governments should be put in charge of Libya and Yemen and those countries should be helped to transition to democracy.

We have to think about the bigger picture.. There are areas Russia controls and areas Russia doesn't control yet. Rather than wait for Russia to arrive in areas it does not yet control, we must get to those areas first, implement democracy and totally eliminate all enemies of democracy.
What if the democratic governments decide to support Russia (ie. Ukraine)?
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:26
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Maybe appoint as Secretary of State, an American businessman who's pro Russian and a friend of Putin, so they stop all criticism.
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:31
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Call the Russian's bluff and get the US jets and bombers in Syrian Airspace. If the Russians want to shoot them down then let them.

Both the Russians and NATO know the threat of MAD will keep the Russians from actively shooting down the US jets. The Berlin Airlift is a perfect example of nullifying the Russian threat to US airmen.
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:53
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What more could/can the Americans do to stop the Russians winning in Aleppo?
Too late .

Obama needed to impose a no fly zone over Aleppo. Fill the sky with US fighters so no Russian could physically fly there, and stick Special forces into any moderate controlled areas we could get to ,and the open areas to the NE and SE of Allepo. with vigorus self protection ROE, surface to air missiles, medical teams, aid supply teams, and very large US flags - plus airdrops to less safe or reachable areas. its tHE type of mission, Special Forces, and the US Ranger regiment, exist for.

The Syrians are dependant on airpower - bombers, fighters and, particularly , helicopters - and Russia has no capability in a shooting war with the local US airpower .And, even Putin, isn't silly enough to escalate a crisis,when he is outmatched conventionally, with a nuclear power - be that srael, France , Britain or Russia. The one who moves first in this , if they have credible capability, gets to have their way.

Obama didn't want a crisis in the middle of the US election, was winding up US wars as his epitaph, and was risk adverse anyway.

Britain and France could have joined in , but when your airforce is a quarter the size of israel's, and can't suppress opposing surface to air missiles anymore, you can no longer do it on your own.
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:55
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Interesting that we always look to the Americans rather than the United Nations. I guess that just shows what a useless organisation the UN actually is.
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:05
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What more could/can the Americans do to stop the Russians winning in Aleppo?
Not much, plus Trump won't have the stomach to actually stand up to Putin.
Don't elect trump as POTUS
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:10
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Just saw Osborne's speech in the Commons on the TV about this and I hate to agree with a Tory but his right.
All options were bad. Whatever we did was going to end badly. If we had gone against Assad then it would have ended up as another Libya. The only good decision that could have been made was when Assad became Dictator and he could have been influenced.
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:14
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Trump is buddies with Putin, so will back him.
for now.
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:44
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Trump is buddies with Putin, so will back him.
Is Putin buddies with trump?
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:47
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What more could/can the Americans do to stop the Russians winning in Aleppo?
Well who do you want to win?
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:56
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Not much, plus Trump won't have the stomach to actually stand up to Putin.

We should have done more but nobody wants another war.
Why should Trump stand up to Putin over this?
America had no jurisdiction there. Assad actually asked Russia for help.
Unless of course they're now suddenly in favour of foreign governments having an influence on what regime is in control of another country.

Legally America don't have a leg to stand on. It was playing fast and loose with international law. Clinton was planning to create a no-fly zone over the area which was a potentially catastrophic scenario for all of us. America has no right to do that.
Putin was helping a sovereign state protect itself by request of that state.

Putin was helping Assad rid Syria of an insurgency which as made up of extremely questionable ideological groups which could have taken power in that region and made the area even more of a hell than it currently is.
America on the other hand was helping, funding and giving weapons to these groups who we know some of which were terrorist organisations.

And I'm meant to think that Putin is the bad guy here?
I don't think goodies and baddies is the way to look at this particular situation.
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:56
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Well who do you want to win?
The Syrian people
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:38
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The Syrian people are divided, more people support Assad more than any other group.
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:43
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The Syrian people are divided, more people support Assad more than any other group.
A majority want to get rid of Assad and his Shia dictatorship.
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:45
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The Syrian people are divided, more people support Assad more than any other group.
With 74% of the population being Sunni?
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:46
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Well who do you want to win?
Not the the terrorists

Russia have helped speed the end of this war which was dragging on and on and on.
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:47
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Why should Trump stand up to Putin over this?
America had no jurisdiction there. Assad actually asked Russia for help.
Unless of course they're now suddenly in favour of foreign governments having an influence on what regime is in control of another country.

Legally America don't have a leg to stand on. It was playing fast and loose with international law. Clinton was planning to create a no-fly zone over the area which was a potentially catastrophic scenario for all of us. America has no right to do that.
Putin was helping a sovereign state protect itself by request of that state.

Putin was helping Assad rid Syria of an insurgency which as made up of extremely questionable ideological groups which could have taken power in that region and made the area even more of a hell than it currently is.
America on the other hand was helping, funding and giving weapons to these groups who we know some of which were terrorist organisations.

And I'm meant to think that Putin is the bad guy here?
I don't think goodies and baddies is the way to look at this particular situation.
Just so, I can't believe that people still think after all these years that the USA's foreign policies are anything but deeply destructive for all those effected.
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