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Old 13-12-2016, 20:51
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Well yes, which suggests there's favouritism. The law of average dictates that by now, if the allocation system was fair he'd have had one duffer. But he hasn't.
No, Clifton fans insist he's so much of a good teacher/dancer/choreographer, he could make a finalist out of plasticine.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:00
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To be fair to Mr. Fromgrimsby, nobody really expected Susanna Reid to be up to much, and considering the oldest woman to win Strictly is Flackers [who was a positively dessicated 34 at the time], being lumped with two marginally famous middle aged ladies could be said to be a definite handicap. Getting two dance trained people on the bounce is a bit wonky, but if you've got more and more trained dancers joining Strictly every year, you've got to give them to someone. Aljaz is designated Tall Bloke, Anton is designated Clumper Babysitter, so you're gonna spread your ringers out among yer Average Sized Dancers, a category which Kevin fits squarely into.

I also feel it's worth pointing out that he's not exactly alone in getting a miracle run of partners -

Pasha got four young fit birds on the trot, and people were reckoning Naga had potential until she turned out to be a golf themed plank.
Aliona got the omni-talented Matt Baker, ringeriffic Harry Judd and HIS HOLINESS ST. JAY THE EVERJIVING and reacted to Gregg Wallace and Tony Jacklin like someone'd wiped a dog turd on her skirt. Giovanni's had young fit contenders twice in a row.
Artem had absolute god tier ringers in Kara Tointon and the absolutely mental actually-a-professional-dancer-until-she-got-injured Natalie Gumede AND Holly "Professional performer" Valance.

Karen also had Dave Myers and Jeremy Vine, who were sub-mobile hoofers who looked like they were being operated via levers. And at no point did she seem put out by this.



Dudes being overmarked isn't new, either. Remember the traumatic period where Craig kept insisting Lisa Riley was fun? Remember when the judges kept shoving through the twitching corpses of Rachel Riley and Victoria Pendleton? Remember Peter Andre robbing Jamelia? Bloody Chris Hollins and bloody Darren Gough? Louis Smith getting huge marks for shite dances because it was OLYMPIC FRENZY YEAR? Surely there's no big Clifton Agenda behind all that? Surely it's just because the judging panel is 2 guys who only know stagey pop music dance, one posho who only knows ballet and one legit ballroom dude who's a bit wonky and senile?
the bit about aliona is true, although she didn't have all her good'uns one after the other, unlike clifton. She also had zoe ball's grandad to contend with...a stiff would have been more lively!
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:12
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the bit about aliona is true, although she didn't have all her good'uns one after the other, unlike clifton. She also had zoe ball's grandad to contend with...a stiff would have been more lively!
It was Zoe's dad lol!
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:13
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If yout favourite couple is in the bottom two,
if your favourite is sent home by the judges,
if your favourite doesn't get the marks you think they deserve,
if the music and/or dance allocated to your favouriote is not to your liking,
if one of the presenters or judges doesn't make a positive comment to/about your favourite,
AND/OR a presenter or judge makes a positive comment to/about someone who is NOT your favourite....
IN BRIEF, if something happens that could hinder (in your opinion) the chances of your favourite becoming the winner...

GROW UP,
SHUT UP
& please STOP contaminating the forum with hysterical, farcical, infantile threads!


Talking about "injustice" and making comparisons to North Korea are offensive to people who really have their lives influenced by such things and bleating on & on because things haven't gone your way is more typical of Primary School kids!

A healthy, mature exchange of opinions is fine, kindergarten-style protestations are tedious!

rant over...
In all fairness you dont have to read them, it is your choice. People have a right to have an opinion, no matter if you agree with it or not. Still a free forum for all views
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:14
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Think it is mainly what people like, and I think forums like this are mainly for a bit of a rant/banter and see if they can rile people up
Possibly in some cases a bit of getting it off your chest - these things are often disputed too and debate is good. Funny enough people were complaining the forum was boring before musical's week it isn't now
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:20
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the bit about aliona is true, although she didn't have all her good'uns one after the other, unlike clifton. She also had zoe ball's grandad to contend with...a stiff would have been more lively!
Hey! That's one of my childhood heroes you're talking about here. One of the few along with the great Tony Hart who didn't turn out to be a pedaphile and he was a lot better than Jerry effing Hall, Richard Arnold and to start with Micheal Vaughan who whilst I can understand why people find his jive endearing it wasn't the lowest marked in SCD history beating such people as Fiona Phillips for nothing.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:21
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No, Clifton fans insist he's so much of a good teacher/dancer/choreographer, he could make a finalist out of plasticine.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:31
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The only think that really iritates me is when people try to bully other posters off a thread.

The accusation of 'troll' is bandied around far too often.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:46
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The only think that really iritates me is when people try to bully other posters off a thread.

The accusation of 'troll' is bandied around far too often.
TROLLLL! Sorry couldn't help myself xxxx
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:46
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To be fair to Mr. Fromgrimsby, nobody really expected Susanna Reid to be up to much, and considering the oldest woman to win Strictly is Flackers [who was a positively dessicated 34 at the time], being lumped with two marginally famous middle aged ladies could be said to be a definite handicap. Getting two dance trained people on the bounce is a bit wonky, but if you've got more and more trained dancers joining Strictly every year, you've got to give them to someone. Aljaz is designated Tall Bloke, Anton is designated Clumper Babysitter, so you're gonna spread your ringers out among yer Average Sized Dancers, a category which Kevin fits squarely into.

I also feel it's worth pointing out that he's not exactly alone in getting a miracle run of partners -

Pasha got four young fit birds on the trot, and people were reckoning Naga had potential until she turned out to be a golf themed plank.
Aliona got the omni-talented Matt Baker, ringeriffic Harry Judd and HIS HOLINESS ST. JAY THE EVERJIVING and reacted to Gregg Wallace and Tony Jacklin like someone'd wiped a dog turd on her skirt.
Giovanni's had young fit contenders twice in a row.
Artem had absolute god tier ringers in Kara Tointon and the absolutely mental actually-a-professional-dancer-until-she-got-injured Natalie Gumede AND Holly "Professional performer" Valance.




Karen also had Dave Myers and Jeremy Vine, who were sub-mobile hoofers who looked like they were being operated via levers. And at no point did she seem put out by this.



Dudes being overmarked isn't new, either. Remember the traumatic period where Craig kept insisting Lisa Riley was fun? Remember when the judges kept shoving through the twitching corpses of Rachel Riley and Victoria Pendleton? Remember Peter Andre robbing Jamelia? Bloody Chris Hollins and bloody Darren Gough? Louis Smith getting huge marks for shite dances because it was OLYMPIC FRENZY YEAR? Surely there's no big Clifton Agenda behind all that? Surely it's just because the judging panel is 2 guys who only know stagey pop music dance, one posho who only knows ballet and one legit ballroom dude who's a bit wonky and senile?
If only negative posters would read and absorb. But they won't, they're fixed on a fragile narrative.

The closest Kevin has had to a Matt, Jay or Harry was Frankie. Who was also fairly reserved.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:22
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To be fair to Mr. Fromgrimsby, nobody really expected Susanna Reid to be up to much, and considering the oldest woman to win Strictly is Flackers [who was a positively dessicated 34 at the time], being lumped with two marginally famous middle aged ladies could be said to be a definite handicap. Getting two dance trained people on the bounce is a bit wonky, but if you've got more and more trained dancers joining Strictly every year, you've got to give them to someone. Aljaz is designated Tall Bloke, Anton is designated Clumper Babysitter, so you're gonna spread your ringers out among yer Average Sized Dancers, a category which Kevin fits squarely into.

I also feel it's worth pointing out that he's not exactly alone in getting a miracle run of partners -

Pasha got four young fit birds on the trot, and people were reckoning Naga had potential until she turned out to be a golf themed plank.
Aliona got the omni-talented Matt Baker, ringeriffic Harry Judd and HIS HOLINESS ST. JAY THE EVERJIVING and reacted to Gregg Wallace and Tony Jacklin like someone'd wiped a dog turd on her skirt.
Giovanni's had young fit contenders twice in a row.
Artem had absolute god tier ringers in Kara Tointon and the absolutely mental actually-a-professional-dancer-until-she-got-injured Natalie Gumede AND Holly "Professional performer" Valance.




Karen also had Dave Myers and Jeremy Vine, who were sub-mobile hoofers who looked like they were being operated via levers. And at no point did she seem put out by this.



Dudes being overmarked isn't new, either. Remember the traumatic period where Craig kept insisting Lisa Riley was fun? Remember when the judges kept shoving through the twitching corpses of Rachel Riley and Victoria Pendleton? Remember Peter Andre robbing Jamelia? Bloody Chris Hollins and bloody Darren Gough? Louis Smith getting huge marks for shite dances because it was OLYMPIC FRENZY YEAR? Surely there's no big Clifton Agenda behind all that? Surely it's just because the judging panel is 2 guys who only know stagey pop music dance, one posho who only knows ballet and one legit ballroom dude who's a bit wonky and senile?
Marvelous post!

I know one day we'll look back on the year when Clifton hatred hit its peak as just being part of the strictly lore. Claudiawuzrobbed we'll all say, lol.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:24
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If yout favourite couple is in the bottom two,
if your favourite is sent home by the judges,
if your favourite doesn't get the marks you think they deserve,
if the music and/or dance allocated to your favouriote is not to your liking,
if one of the presenters or judges doesn't make a positive comment to/about your favourite,
AND/OR a presenter or judge makes a positive comment to/about someone who is NOT your favourite....
IN BRIEF, if something happens that could hinder (in your opinion) the chances of your favourite becoming the winner...

GROW UP,
SHUT UP
& please STOP contaminating the forum with hysterical, farcical, infantile threads!


Talking about "injustice" and making comparisons to North Korea are offensive to people who really have their lives influenced by such things and bleating on & on because things haven't gone your way is more typical of Primary School kids!

A healthy, mature exchange of opinions is fine, kindergarten-style protestations are tedious!

rant over...
and a merry xmas to you too.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:28
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If yout favourite couple is in the bottom two,
if your favourite is sent home by the judges,
if your favourite doesn't get the marks you think they deserve,
if the music and/or dance allocated to your favouriote is not to your liking,
if one of the presenters or judges doesn't make a positive comment to/about your favourite,
AND/OR a presenter or judge makes a positive comment to/about someone who is NOT your favourite....
IN BRIEF, if something happens that could hinder (in your opinion) the chances of your favourite becoming the winner...

GROW UP,
SHUT UP
& please STOP contaminating the forum with hysterical, farcical, infantile threads!


Talking about "injustice" and making comparisons to North Korea are offensive to people who really have their lives influenced by such things and bleating on & on because things haven't gone your way is more typical of Primary School kids!

A healthy, mature exchange of opinions is fine, kindergarten-style protestations are tedious!

rant over...
Even my mum who tends to trust the judges thinks Ore was over-marked actually.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:30
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I agree, I am particularly shocked at how aggressive individuals can become on this forum when you don't happen to share the same opinion as them. I don't ordinarily come across many people like this.

Meg
You've obviously never ventured into many comments sections on-line. It's a wise move. This is tame in comparison to newspaper and You Tube comments let me tell you.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:33
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Many people on here wouldn't know a foxtrot from a quick step and vote on looks or personality which sees good dancers get voted out. I've watched all the series of SCD and minipulating the scores has always happened. I don't have a favourite this year, but in my opinion as a ballroom and Latin tutor I do know that Claudia danced the best dance off on Saturday.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:34
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Can I just say something? I loved Ed Balls - didn't complain when he was in the bottom two, because it was right.

I loved Daisy and didn't complain when she left, because it was right.

The reason people are complaining that Danny and Claudia got into the bottom two is because there were objectively two worse dancers who should have been there. Also, the Clifton bias definitely exists. The law of averages dictates that there's no way Kevin would be in four consecutive finals if he was actually being judged fairly like others are.

And do you not think it's a bit funny that all three Cliftons had a partner with ability? It comes off looking very bad.
Except that Karen had Dave Myers and Jeremy Vine in the past and Jo had Scott Mills and year on the bench - you can make the case that Kev's a bit favoured but the other two have had their share of challenges - they were due someone half-decent at least.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:51
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Except that Karen had Dave Myers and Jeremy Vine in the past and Jo had Scott Mills and year on the bench - you can make the case that Kev's a bit favoured but the other two have had their share of challenges - they were due someone half-decent at least.
I only meant this year it was odd that all three got ringers/people with ability.

I do think it's just Kevin who gets the favouritism. 4 good dancers and 4 finals in a row is a bit iffy, I think.

I agree Karen and Joanne have both put in their time and were due someone good but Kevin hasn't. He's well overdue a duffer but I sadly think it'll continue next year and every year until he wins.
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Old 13-12-2016, 23:08
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To be fair to Mr. Fromgrimsby, nobody really expected Susanna Reid to be up to much, and considering the oldest woman to win Strictly is Flackers [who was a positively dessicated 34 at the time], being lumped with two marginally famous middle aged ladies could be said to be a definite handicap. Getting two dance trained people on the bounce is a bit wonky, but if you've got more and more trained dancers joining Strictly every year, you've got to give them to someone. Aljaz is designated Tall Bloke, Anton is designated Clumper Babysitter, so you're gonna spread your ringers out among yer Average Sized Dancers, a category which Kevin fits squarely into.

I also feel it's worth pointing out that he's not exactly alone in getting a miracle run of partners -

Pasha got four young fit birds on the trot, and people were reckoning Naga had potential until she turned out to be a golf themed plank.
Aliona got the omni-talented Matt Baker, ringeriffic Harry Judd and HIS HOLINESS ST. JAY THE EVERJIVING and reacted to Gregg Wallace and Tony Jacklin like someone'd wiped a dog turd on her skirt.
Giovanni's had young fit contenders twice in a row.
Artem had absolute god tier ringers in Kara Tointon and the absolutely mental actually-a-professional-dancer-until-she-got-injured Natalie Gumede AND Holly "Professional performer" Valance.




Karen also had Dave Myers and Jeremy Vine, who were sub-mobile hoofers who looked like they were being operated via levers. And at no point did she seem put out by this.



Dudes being overmarked isn't new, either. Remember the traumatic period where Craig kept insisting Lisa Riley was fun? Remember when the judges kept shoving through the twitching corpses of Rachel Riley and Victoria Pendleton? Remember Peter Andre robbing Jamelia? Bloody Chris Hollins and bloody Darren Gough? Louis Smith getting huge marks for shite dances because it was OLYMPIC FRENZY YEAR? Surely there's no big Clifton Agenda behind all that? Surely it's just because the judging panel is 2 guys who only know stagey pop music dance, one posho who only knows ballet and one legit ballroom dude who's a bit wonky and senile?
I think I love you.

But I will say this: thanks to Bloody Darren Gough the Dancing Wardrobe, my son can move his feet in a sufficiently waltz-like manner to charm old ladies at wedding receptions. For this, I will be forever grateful.
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Old 13-12-2016, 23:17
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I think I love you.

But I will say this: thanks to Bloody Darren Gough the Dancing Wardrobe, my son can move his feet in a sufficiently waltz-like manner to charm old ladies at wedding receptions. For this, I will be forever grateful.
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Old 13-12-2016, 23:47
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I couldn't disagree more. Ironically, your thinking here comes across as very black and white to me.

When it comes to the kind of posts the OP was referring to, I see people jumping to conclusions, putting emotion before reason, reaching and adding 1 + 1 and getting 3. Also, yes, most of them are ridiculous in my opinion - I see a some people ignoring facts or putting across spurious claims to make their case, for one thing.

To say that those who disagree with you are unable to understand reality TV is a huge generalisation, and probably mostly an incorrect one. I, for one, continue to question things on the show, along with a lot of the rubbish that is spouted on here! Just because the conclusion I come to isn't as extreme as yours, doesn't mean I take everything at face value.

The major difference I see between the two types of people you're identifying is not the way they think, but the level of fanaticism and dedication to a particular celebrity/pro. Or, indeed, the level of vitriol they hold for a particular celeb or pro.
The original post doesn't distinguish between valid questions. obvious inconsistencies, possible explantions, dogmatic explanations, rational but unproveable arguments, and wierd explanations -with very low probabilities of being true . It just rules out questioning. People who can raise and evaluate whats going on in the series, spot what looks odd , or just note that their doubts are shared by multiple other rational people, and dance experts, are usually pretty good at spotting a possible explanation - from an unproveable one - from one that requires donning a tin foil hat to follow.

Not sure either where things get fanatical either - treating particular pros like the ruling lizard people might. Claiming other contestants are rubbish - rather than pointing out they were overmarked by 3 or 4 - takes things too far . Being angry because the people you backed went out, to pretty obviously dubious , marking, isn't - its a sense of fairness, and losing something worth investing in . And good reality Tv requires people to invest in contestants - so its hardly surprising if people do. If we thought all the contestants were similar, bland, and not worth following, who would watch?

And its always been a problem with reality TV, perhaps post the early 2000s, that producers have engineered results and stories, often in ways that don't have explanations, or seem to be in their shows best interests. its now pretty standard to impose the producers story - even if better ones generate themselves . Many people can now spot when they are doing it, and some of the methods , like appearance order, and who gets what music , or dance what week ,have become better known, but the reasoning can only be suggested, and proving it remains as impossible as ever. It doesn't mean its not being done though.
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:30
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No, Clifton fans insist he's so much of a good teacher/dancer/choreographer, he could make a finalist out of plasticine.
Please don't give the producers ideas.

"Dancing the Quickstep... Kevin Clifton and Morph!"
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:35
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Please don't give the producers ideas.

"Dancing the Quickstep... Kevin Clifton and Morph!"
Oh Jeez, don't remind me. That creepy, hyper-flexible little monster gave me nightmares.

And Morph was even worse.


















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Old 14-12-2016, 00:39
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Please don't give the producers ideas.

"Dancing the Quickstep... Kevin Clifton and Morph!"

Brilliant
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Old 16-12-2016, 22:46
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I think posts complaining about threads are infantile.
No, Yellowlabbie, this is self-censorship and should happen more often.

I often think that the hissy tabbies who put up meanspirited new posts, particularly those implying personally-directed criticism, are totally word blind. In the pink box of VOTING TIPS just above the box where they are typing their stupid new thread title, they are oblivious to two of the first three indents, namely:

- Please treat other users with respect.
- Pointless posts will be removed and may result in you losing posting privileges.
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Old 16-12-2016, 23:09
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If yout favourite couple is in the bottom two,
if your favourite is sent home by the judges,
if your favourite doesn't get the marks you think they deserve,
if the music and/or dance allocated to your favouriote is not to your liking,
if one of the presenters or judges doesn't make a positive comment to/about your favourite,
AND/OR a presenter or judge makes a positive comment to/about someone who is NOT your favourite....
IN BRIEF, if something happens that could hinder (in your opinion) the chances of your favourite becoming the winner...

GROW UP,
SHUT UP
& please STOP contaminating the forum with hysterical, farcical, infantile threads!


Talking about "injustice" and making comparisons to North Korea are offensive to people who really have their lives influenced by such things and bleating on & on because things haven't gone your way is more typical of Primary School kids!

A healthy, mature exchange of opinions is fine, kindergarten-style protestations are tedious!

rant over...
I agree that people tend to overthink these shows sometimes and think that every contestant leaving is a fix.

However I do think that some contestants that can gain momentum later on in the series do get quickly wiped out so that the production pets get to keep their place at the top.
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