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Old 13-12-2016, 22:28
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Have to admit I laughed at the bit when the Scottish guy shouts "Don't you dare talk about my mother!!!"

The comedian did go overboard, however the other one didn't apologise or admit to taking the onions, he kinda tried brush it off.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:36
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No what is shows is, as the Shia girl said, how can we define what a Muslim is when there are so many different types and that they cannot even define it either.
In other words, let''s stop judging Muslims when a Muslim fundamentalist carries out an atrocity. They are not all the same.
Uh? I don't think you understand who was judging who there? Are you Abdul? What we are appalled at are men treating women like crap, homosexuals like crap, celebrating when non-Muslims die in a terrorist attack, being vile and disgusting towards the war memorials in the bloody country they grew up in, being in denial that anything British should mean anything to them even though they were born and raised here.

Us people of western culture are by and large quite a bright bunch because we don't let religion contort us into something hateful! You'll find that the vast majority of us are fully aware that decent Muslims aren't terrorists.

You are one of those that sadly seems to only see what you want to think you see rather than the actual dark sides to the faith that were actually shown!
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:43
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Uh? I don't think you understand who was judging who there? Are you Abdul? What we are appalled at are men treating women like crap, homosexuals like crap, celebrating when non-Muslims die in a terrorist attack, being vile and disgusting towards the war memorials in the bloody country they grew up in, being in denial that anything British should mean anything to them even though they were born and raised here.

As were most of the Muslims in that house hence the arguing

Us people of western culture are by and large quite a bright bunch because we don't let religion contort us into something hateful! Some of us do actuallyYou'll find that the vast majority of us are fully aware that decent Muslims aren't terrorists.

You are one of those that sadly seems to only see what you want to think you see rather than the actual dark sides to the faith that were actually shown!
Please don't tell me what I think or see.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:49
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Please don't tell me what I think or see.
Grow up! There was not one tiny little piece of persecution towards a Muslim from a non Muslim in that program tonight but there was a shockingly extreme amount of offensive behaviour from Muslims towards non-Muslims!

If people hate Britain and don't see them self as British and have a sick attitude towards war memorials and those that fought, they can with great pleasure leave by the nearest exit and go to Syria if they so wish! The decent Muslims in that house were very badly let down by a tossers crapping on their own country!

YOU WERE THE ONE TELLING ME WHAT TO THINK!!!
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:54
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Sometimes it just happens like that, some tiny thing gets blown up out of all proportion. Maybe being all cooped up together like that makes people more irritable, I know it would me anyway.
I recall two housemates (both atheists) not speaking for over a month because of a dispute over a packet of lentils

No what is shows is, as the Shia girl said, how can we define what a Muslim is when there are so many different types and that they cannot even define it either.
In other words, let''s stop judging Muslims when a Muslim fundamentalist carries out an atrocity. They are not all the same.
What it shows is, in my opinion, that we are all humans and that we are all different, regardless of race and creed, in our perceptions of life but we can make an effort to live together in peace.

We didn't alienate Irish during the 1980s the way that we do with Muslims - and I suspect that it is something to do with the Irish having white skin, not brown. The white Muslim woman was the only one stating that she had not encountered Islamophobia which is telling.

The programme also hopefully emphasised the fact that a large number of Muslims are indistinguishable from those of other faiths - they dress in "western" clothes, live "western" lifestyles, etc., in fact if you passed them on the street you probably wouldn't think that they were Muslim any more than you'd look at another person and think Jehovah's Witness or Buddhist.

They also found Abdul Haqq as repugnant in his views as anyone non-Muslim does.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:57
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Grow up! There was not one tiny little piece of persecution towards a Muslim from a non Muslim in that program tonight but there was a shockingly extreme amount of offensive behaviour from Muslims towards non-Muslims!

If people hate Britain and don't see them self as British and have a sick attitude towards war memorials and those that fought, they can with great pleasure leave by the nearest exit and go to Syria if they so wish! The decent Muslims in that house were very badly let down by a tossers crapping on their own country!

YOU WERE THE ONE TELLING ME WHAT TO THINK!!!
I am not telling you what to think. I am appalled by Abdul''s behaviour.

I was stating that, in general, there is a tendency to tar all Muslims with the same brush and what this programme showed was quite obviously this is not appropriate to do so.

I never stated YOU did this.
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Old 13-12-2016, 23:09
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Quote:"What it shows is, in my opinion, that we are all humans and that we are all different, regardless of race and creed, in our perceptions of life but we can make an effort to live together in peace".

I don't know? I live in peace but don't seem to have to make any effort. Incidentally, I abhor religion in any shape or form.
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Old 13-12-2016, 23:13
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The comedien definitely has some homophobic problem.
How do you know? I say you definitely have some racist problem.
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Old 13-12-2016, 23:41
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I recall two housemates (both atheists) not speaking for over a month because of a dispute over a packet of lentils



What it shows is, in my opinion, that we are all humans and that we are all different, regardless of race and creed, in our perceptions of life but we can make an effort to live together in peace.

We didn't alienate Irish during the 1980s the way that we do with Muslims - and I suspect that it is something to do with the Irish having white skin, not brown. The white Muslim woman was the only one stating that she had not encountered Islamophobia which is telling.

The programme also hopefully emphasised the fact that a large number of Muslims are indistinguishable from those of other faiths - they dress in "western" clothes, live "western" lifestyles, etc., in fact if you passed them on the street you probably wouldn't think that they were Muslim any more than you'd look at another person and think Jehovah's Witness or Buddhist.

They also found Abdul Haqq as repugnant in his views as anyone non-Muslim does.
I disagree with this because Sikhs and Hindus are pretty much fully integrated.

The difference is that some Muslims believe they should not integrate because it could compromise their religion. They quote hadiths that say don't take non-Muslims as friends and I've even seen Muslims advised to give up non-Muslim companions. I think this is probably why there are areas of strict Muslims living together who wear the burqa etc, because they are likely the ones who also don't agree with integration.
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Old 13-12-2016, 23:52
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I disagree with this because Sikhs and Hindus are pretty much fully integrated.

The difference is that some Muslims believe they should not integrate because it could compromise their religion. They quote hadiths that say don't take non-Muslims as friends and I've even seen Muslims advised to give up non-Muslim companions. I think this is probably why there are areas of strict Muslims living together who wear the burqa etc, because they are likely the ones who also don't agree with integration.
Sikhs and Hindus have never been seen as terrorists in the UK which makes their situation somewhat different in terms of perception. I know a number of families, both Muslim and Hindu, that arrived in the UK when Idi Amin threw all the Asians out of Uganda in the 1970s. Both religious groups have integrated well within the community
and are as "British" as any of my white skinned friends.

You raise a valid point where there are certain groups that adhere together, predominantly north African from Somalia, Eritrea and the Horn of Africa, and much of this is also an issue of education, especially with the women many of whom will never have attended school. Unfortunately all religions prey on the least educated and, by default, the most suggestible.
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:06
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Sikhs and Hindus have never been seen as terrorists in the UK which makes their situation somewhat different in terms of perception. I know a number of families, both Muslim and Hindu, that arrived in the UK when Idi Amin threw all the Asians out of Uganda in the 1970s. Both religious groups have integrated well within the community
and are as "British" as any of my white skinned friends.

You raise a valid point where there are certain groups that adhere together, predominantly north African from Somalia, Eritrea and the Horn of Africa, and much of this is also an issue of education, especially with the women many of whom will never have attended school. Unfortunately all religions prey on the least educated and, by default, the most suggestible.
I was going to say as well, that it's current events that also influence Islamophobia rather than just skin colour.

There's a forum of ex-Muslims and there are some interesting discussions on there, a number of them have spoken of avoiding non-Muslims before they left Islam. Obviously this is just the strictest of Muslims.
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