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Old 13-12-2016, 21:22
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Swayed the leave vote according to Labour MP Ben Bradshaw.

http://news.sky.com/story/russian-ha...aw-mp-10694779

This barrel that's being scraped is very deep.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:24
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Can't let Trump get all the hate time to make up the same story for Brexit !
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:26
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Wow Labour is Russophobic now , imagine my shock !

All this crazy conspiracy within' the Mainstream Media about Russia hacking is all lies.

So much fake bullsh*t being reported these days !
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:27
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Ben Bradshaw has always been a ridiculous waste of space but he's truly excelled himself with this buffoonery.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:34
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These Russian hackers must be the best in the business.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:42
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These Russian hackers must be the best in the business.
Especially as we don't use electronic voting.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:42
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There is some evidence that Russians, either independently or under the Kremlin's control, may have hacked into the DNC in order to influence the US Presidential election.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36913000

There isn't any such evidence the Russians did any such hacking in the UK's EU Referendum.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:44
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There is definitely a crazy, lost-the-plot sector of the Remain Camp, and even in parliament, not just on forums like this

He actually said "Probably in our own referendum last year - we don't have the evidence for this but I think it is highly probable."
How on earth do we elect people like this?
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:48
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Does anyone question that an EU pulling apart, a right-wing pro-Russian Trump and more calamity in the ME (driving refugees towards Europe) isn't a positive thing for Russia?

duh.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:49
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Does anyone question that an EU pulling apart, a right-wing pro-Russian Trump and more calamity in the ME (driving refugees towards Europe) isn't a positive thing for Russia?

duh.
Double duh. The Russians did not hack the referendum.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:51
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the west really is better than a episode of fawlty towers at present.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:52
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Especially as we don't use electronic voting.
What on earth does that have to do with anything?

It would appear that there is strong evidence to believe that Russia was hacking in order to manipulate and influence the outcome of the US election. I think we would be naive to think that they don't hack into our security/government information systems.

Some time ago I read (can't find it now) how it was Putin's intention to destabilise the EU preferably by a UK withdrawl amd also to manipulate/intefere with US elections causing chaos and instability.

This has been a 'shock' year with a great deal of uncertainty and unpredictabilty globally.

I think we'd be naive to ust dismiss the possibilty of intervention/interference of malign intent.

And ...................I like Ben Bradshaw
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:53
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Does anyone question that an EU pulling apart, a right-wing pro-Russian Trump and more calamity in the ME (driving refugees towards Europe) isn't a positive thing for Russia?

duh.
Putin's popularity at home is largely based on the USA and "the West" being overtly anti Russia and threatening them everywhere. And we have obliged him.

If, however, the West changed tack and tried a more intelligent approach to Russia Putin might not have a bogey man to blame for the ills of his country and just maybe the people would realise that he isn't all that good for them after all.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:53
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the west really is better than a episode of fawlty towers at present.
I am now imagining Russian spies standing in villages outside polling stations, handing our magic pens that transfer the X from Remain to Leave when the ballot paper is folded.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:54
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What on earth does that have to do with anything?

It would appear that there is strong evidence to believe that Russia was hacking in order to manipulate and influence the outcome of the US election. I think we would be naive to think that they don't hack into our security/government information systems.

Some time ago I read (can't find it now) how it was Putin's intention to destabilise the EU preferably by a UK withdrawl amd also to manipulate/intefere with US elections causing chaos and instability.

This has been a 'shock' year with a great deal of uncertainty and unpredictabilty globally.

I think we'd be naive to ust dismiss the possibilty of intervention/interference of malign intent.

And ...................I like Ben Bradshaw
So what actions did they take then?
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:54
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Double duh. The Russians did not hack the referendum.
They sure didn't have any qualms about supporting a tyrant thus sending waves of refugees fleeing into Europe.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:55
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Does anyone question that an EU pulling apart, a right-wing pro-Russian Trump and more calamity in the ME (driving refugees towards Europe) isn't a positive thing for Russia?

duh.
All true- but this still doesn't mean that the Russians hacked the Brexit referendum.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:55
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I didn't know Russia had the capability to hack the brains of people counting the votes.
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:57
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They sure didn't have any qualms about supporting a tyrant thus sending waves of refugees fleeing into Europe.
But this thread is about Russians supposedly fixing the Brexit result. Or that's what a Labour MP thinks is "probable". So since none of these refugees had a vote, how about you tell us how Putin pulled off Brexit?
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Old 13-12-2016, 21:59
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Putin's popularity at home is largely based on the USA and "the West" being overtly anti Russia and threatening them everywhere. And we have obliged him.

If, however, the West changed tack and tried a more intelligent approach to Russia Putin might not have a bogey man to blame for the ills of his country and just maybe the people would realise that he isn't all that good for them after all.
Russia is a middling regional power with outsized dreams. Countries in Eastern Europe have asked for NATO to be there, yet Putin calls it a threatening posture.

What would a 'more intelligent' approach to Russia be? Ignoring our alliances? Letting them push into Eastern Europe? Until you describe what 'intelligent approach' to Russia means your comment is meaningless.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:00
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So what actions did they take then?
Well I think they're probably a little bit more subtle than to make it blindingly obvious don't you?

It took many years before Philby, Mclean, Burgess and Blunt were revealed to be spies - do you think it all stopped after they were uncovered? How much easier it must be now with the technology we have.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:01
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It might have been a Russian.

His name was Boris I believe.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:02
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But this thread is about Russians supposedly fixing the Brexit result. Or that's what a Labour MP thinks is "probable". So since none of these refugees had a vote, how about you tell us how Putin pulled off Brexit?
I don't know, I didn't make the claim. But it certainly benefits them and they didn't seem to have any issues influencing the US election. Maybe they flooded the internet with pro-Russia shills?
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:02
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I didn't know Russia had the capability to hack the brains of people counting the votes.
Hmmm..... perhaps all those Eastern European carers were Kremlin-planted spies who wheeled down millions of ga-ga 90 year olds to the polls and made them vote Leave.
Anyway, Bradshaw is on the case for us.
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Old 13-12-2016, 22:03
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Well I think they're probably a little bit more subtle than to make it blindingly obvious don't you?

It took many years before Philby, Mclean, Burgess and Blunt were revealed to be spies - do you think it all stopped after they were uncovered? How much easier it must be now with the technology we have.
Yes and guess what after all their spying activities the USSR still collapsed.

However, we are discussing how Russian hackers could have made millions of Britons vote a particular way. So I ask again any evidence or suggestions as to what they might have done?
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