No they did, just it was dismissed as fear mongering.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...e-with-russia/


5 September 2016

I don't believe the Russians are behind the info/hacks given Wikileaks. What I find laughable is that all this hysteria about it is just before the electoral college are due to vote on Monday. Convenient timing anyone??? Obama & the Clinton camp etc couldn't possibly be trying to cause as much havoc as possible & do there best to delegitimize Trump could they?? *rolls eyes* BTW wheres all the fuss over the actual corruption exposed? Nope Obama ignores that. It's conveniently been brushed under the carpet!!

Perhaps it's time for parliament to set up a "House Commitee for anti-EU activities" to scour society for reds under the router. We must be vigilant against the red menace.

It's just as likely the EU and our own Government and media were getting up to these shenanigans as it is the Russians.

Propaganda from all sides was rife during the campaign. Remember Obamas "back of the queue" comment?

From the same article though:

Mr Obama urged his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin not to let cyberspace become the "wild, wild west" and issued a stark warning that America had "more capacity than anybody, both offensively and defensively"

BIB: Apparently not then?

"...what they believe..."

"Mr Obama said he would not comment on "specific investigations that are still live and active" into Russian hacking"

No changes there then. You see the probelm is the rhetoric has been the same and never changed and has now been ramped up, but if true, the US's "defenses" are obviously laughable (bit like the Pentagon in 2001, you'd think they'd learn wouldn't you?). Everyone (worldwide) is still ultimately awaiting some actual evidence (and despite many an FM here claiming conclusive evidence, every link so far is still the same indefinite rhetoric, no evidence).

Considering the supposed age of "post truth" and "fake news" i''m choosing to be more vigilent than ever just as the powers that be (PTB) and MSM want us and tell us to be, but that's a two way street. That means the PTB and the MSM had better come up with some conclusives rather than rhetoric (or the PTB have to admit they're utterly cr4p at cyber security and Putin (Russia) is cyber God, one or the other will do, but we get neither... I wonder why).

Either my sarcasm failed or I have been out-sarcasted...

"Allegations"? A vague claim which is easily dismissed.

They should have told people they were being manipulated by a foreign power along with evidence.

Making a fuss about it now achieves nothing anyway, apart from to once again try to turn people against Russia.

There is a problem with providing evidence, as you and everyone else here probably well knows.

That is why evidence is usually presented to specific select committees behind closed doors.

But is not all just about hacking it is also about false stories living and propagating on Social Media which then get picked up by less than scrupulous quasi-news sites.

http://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/11...ake-news-chart



https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tech-companies

Yup. Good example of that here-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38349989

President Barack Obama has said that he ordered Russia's Vladimir Putin to "cut it out" in a conversation about email hacking ahead of the US election.

Implying that the Russian president knew about the hacks, Mr Obama said: "Not much happens in Russia without Vladimir Putin."

That's because they've cloned Putin. He's everywhere. Check under your beds. But being politics, not sure Obama can order another head of state to do anything. Or if by 'cut it out', he was refering to using the Window's clipping tool.

But obviously Russia was responsible for us voting Leave. He was also responsible for the US electing Trump. He was certainly responsible for hacking Democrat's servers. Every US TLA and even FLA has examined those servers, the NSA's communications records and conclusively determined IT WAS RUSSIA!. Anyone suggesting a Democrat insider might have leaked the stuff in response to the way Saunders was nobbled is obviously a Russian sock puppet.

Of course when a US President throws mud around to harm his replacement, it's all good because that's the US interfering in US politics.

Go on, admit the truth. The BIB, you, I or anyone else doesn't even know that isn't the case with MSM, let alone social media (which does a nice job of perpetuating any of the former to).

I'm not naive. I just asked the obvious question: are our politicians happily complicit in interference by other regimes in our affairs? I doubt they are.

And the word Bradshaw used was interference, not "swayed". It doesn't mean that anyone changed the result of a democratic vote but that they poked around in our affairs without our consent. That's not acceptable, full stop.

Interesting couple of articles - though I think I would question the assumptions - the shouty clickbaity stuff that gets more shares/comments will have a higher rating that assumes this 'popularity' is truly reflective of its reach and effectiveness when really it only demonstrated that some groups will do more online than others.
Also interesting is the leanings of publication sources, the 'mainstream' ones tending to be pro-Clinton does seem a little unbalanced, so maybe if the non-mainstream ones were tending to be pro-Trump this isn't such an unbalanced thing.

I suspect that the fakeness aspect made little difference - more interesting would be whether or not any of these actually swayed anyone to change sides.

Perhaps the MP for Bristol East should head up the Committee!

http://www.kerrymccarthymp.org

Most journalists mainstream or otherwise are getting sloppy, not verifying sources thanks to 24 hours news meaning everyone is after the next big 15 minute story.

You only have to look to news stories from the 60's and 70's to know that journo's and more importantly editors sat on stories for weeks even months whilst sources were checked and corroborated.

Now stories are cut and pasted from Twitter, and even FB and plastered on News websites and even printed in newsprint only for them later to be uncovered as wrong or fake. But by then it doesn't matter the click bait worked.

Now we have newer players using that sloppiness to their own ends.

Sorry - my 'you' was not directed at you if you get what I mean.

But at our superiors and betters - remoaners!

Ah, caught by the rhetoricals, wouldn't be the first time


You forgot the 'all hail', and not even a 'glorious'

The Lord of the Rings : Trump Edition.

"And so fellows of the council thou dost see how we cannot go in force with the Ring" Gandalf said looking weary

"What do you propose we do" intoned Boromir "Such a weapon would be useful to my people"

Unexpectedly Frodo stood and took a step forward. "I Frodo Baggins of the Shire shall take the Ring, though I do not know the way".

At that moment Elrond strode in, he had been absent till this moment because he was too wise for intelligence meetings.

"Alas my friends" he said grimly, "We are giving the Ring to Sauron, I owe him for that little business in the election with Crooked Galadrial".