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Old 14-12-2016, 00:22
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http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/east...stenders-exit/

confirms SOC wanted Ronnie and Roxy to leave, and that her and Sam Womack agreed
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Old 14-12-2016, 01:03
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I personally agree with the departure of Ronnie and Roxy.
I'm not sure I agree with killing them off, if in fact that's how it happens, but I think the characters are certainly overdue a good break, although this sounds like a permanent one.
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Old 14-12-2016, 01:04
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I personally agree with the departure of Ronnie and Roxy.
I'm not sure I agree with killing them off, if in fact that's how it happens, but I think the characters are certainly overdue a good break, although this sounds like a permanent one.
i agree that they both should leave, i do think that only 1 of them should be killed off (i cant quite decide if that is Ronnie or Roxy though), but it does seem very likely now both will be killed off
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Old 14-12-2016, 05:23
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I reckon 1 will die
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Old 14-12-2016, 07:50
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From what I've read on here, only one will die leading to a 'next of kin' predicament over

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Old 14-12-2016, 07:54
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Personally I think it will be

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I feel like SOC is trying to 'normalise' EastEnders and any characters that are too outlandish will have to either be completely castrated (Stacey, Ben) or killed off.
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Old 14-12-2016, 07:55
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Rita seems so sweet. I'm going to miss her as Roxy.
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Old 14-12-2016, 07:58
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Rita seems so sweet. I'm going to miss her as Roxy.
Me too elly.

It's quite sad/frustrating that they've sent Roxy back into this self-destruct mode over the last couple of weeks. Would be nice for her to get something of a happy ending ... but then maybe I'm too soppy
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Old 14-12-2016, 08:02
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Me too elly.

It's quite sad/frustrating that they've sent Roxy back into this self-destruct mode over the last couple of weeks. Would be nice for her to get something of a happy ending ... but then maybe I'm too soppy
I'm obviously soppy too because I'd love a happy ending for her with Amy. I feel she's so psychologically broken after years of emotional abuse from Ronnie and it would be so empowering if she left with the resolve to be a brilliant mum to Amy, and with the realisation that she DOES deserve to bring up her daughter.

However I doubt it will happen. The way they're framing her at the moment, we as an audience are expected to believe that Jack and Ronnie are the better option, so I can't imagine they'll let her leave with Amy at the end.
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Old 14-12-2016, 08:09
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I'm obviously soppy too because I'd love a happy ending for her with Amy. I feel she's so psychologically broken after years of emotional abuse from Ronnie and it would be so empowering if she left with the resolve to be a brilliant mum to Amy, and with the realisation that she DOES deserve to bring up her daughter.

However I doubt it will happen. The way they're framing her at the moment, we as an audience are expected to believe that Jack and Ronnie are the better option, so I can't imagine they'll let her leave with Amy at the end.
It's so frustrating (yes, said in a Ken Barlow voice) that Jack and Ronnie are being painted as heavenly perfect parents when both have been appalling in the past - far more appealing that Roxy has ever been.

What happened to Jack's other daughter, the one in the wheelchair? He never bothers with her. What about the few years he was away and effectively dumped Amy on Roxy and left her to it?

Yet Roxy gets drunk a few times and has a one night stand and is suddenly the worst person to have ever given birth. You're so spot on with describing the psychological abuse from Ronnie. Ronnie has controlled Roxy in some way for as a long as we've known them but it's really ramped up again now that Jack is on the scene. I think that Jack is as implicit in the abuse as Ronnie is.

Poor Roxy
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Old 14-12-2016, 08:56
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It's so frustrating (yes, said in a Ken Barlow voice) that Jack and Ronnie are being painted as heavenly perfect parents when both have been appalling in the past - far more appealing that Roxy has ever been.

What happened to Jack's other daughter, the one in the wheelchair? He never bothers with her. What about the few years he was away and effectively dumped Amy on Roxy and left her to it?

Yet Roxy gets drunk a few times and has a one night stand and is suddenly the worst person to have ever given birth. You're so spot on with describing the psychological abuse from Ronnie. Ronnie has controlled Roxy in some way for as a long as we've known them but it's really ramped up again now that Jack is on the scene. I think that Jack is as implicit in the abuse as Ronnie is.

Poor Roxy
It does seem like a really odd tone they've taken with this storyline. It genuinely disappointed me to hear Donna tell Roxy to let Ronnie and Jack adopt Amy, as Donna is meant to be a voice of reason so I can only assume we're meant to agree with her, and that Roxy and Jack would be the better parents for Amy. And that really is laughable, as you say; they have done far worse things in the past than Roxy has, and just because they're going through the motions of a 'perfect' marriage at the moment, it would unlikely have stayed that well (leaving out the fact that Ronnie and Roxy are leaving.)

I agree that Jack is very psychologically manipulative as well. He paints Roxy into a corner, knowing she has self-esteem issues, and then does the whole 'told you so' thing when she proves him right. If Ronnie and Jack were genuinely trying to build up Roxy's confidence and she was STILL messing up, I think the audience would be more sympathetic to them but at the moment it just feels like bullying.
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Old 14-12-2016, 10:16
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She seems nice but it's total PR guff that she wanted to leave. Still it will probably be the best thing for her in the long run. I can actually see her having a good career away from EE.
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Old 16-12-2016, 17:14
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Rita is very professional and I admire her comments. It must have been a stressful few months for her but I'm thrilled she has found another job and I hope her play/theatre is successful.
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Old 16-12-2016, 17:19
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She seems nice but it's total PR guff that she wanted to leave. Still it will probably be the best thing for her in the long run. I can actually see her having a good career away from EE.
She definitely did not want to leave neither did Samantha
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Old 16-12-2016, 17:36
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Personally I think it will be

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I feel like SOC is trying to 'normalise' EastEnders and any characters that are too outlandish will have to either be completely castrated (Stacey, Ben) or killed off.
Do you welcome this approach and do you feel there's any more men you'd like to see castrated?! 😁 😉 😘
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Old 16-12-2016, 18:45
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I'm sure she will have lots of offers, she's a great actress.
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Old 17-12-2016, 02:35
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I'm obviously soppy too because I'd love a happy ending for her with Amy. I feel she's so psychologically broken after years of emotional abuse from Ronnie and it would be so empowering if she left with the resolve to be a brilliant mum to Amy, and with the realisation that she DOES deserve to bring up her daughter.

However I doubt it will happen. The way they're framing her at the moment, we as an audience are expected to believe that Jack and Ronnie are the better option, so I can't imagine they'll let her leave with Amy at the end.
Me three. But after tonight I am starting to think both will die and there will be no real twist.

I am 95% certain that Ronnie is dying no matter what.

If Ronnie dies Jack is her next of kin - as I am sure they will marry.

If Roxy dies Glenda is her next of kin so would have the final say about her liver.
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Old 17-12-2016, 06:36
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I'm obviously soppy too because I'd love a happy ending for her with Amy. I feel she's so psychologically broken after years of emotional abuse from Ronnie and it would be so empowering if she left with the resolve to be a brilliant mum to Amy, and with the realisation that she DOES deserve to bring up her daughter.

However I doubt it will happen. The way they're framing her at the moment, we as an audience are expected to believe that Jack and Ronnie are the better option, so I can't imagine they'll let her leave with Amy at the end.
Are you serious with the above? Ronnie has done a lot for Roxy over the years and I think people have forgotten everything Roxy put Ronnie through. And yes, that was emotional abuse as well The thing is the sister have both learnt from it and Ronnie is not responsible for what Roxy is doing now; the writing has been showing us Ronnie also having learning to not try to control Roxy and she has been trying to help Roxy. Roxy's issues stem from her self esteem issues post Dean and the damage her leaving did to her relationship with her daughter to the mistakes she has made since with drugs etc... None of which is Ronnie's fault. It is ridiculous the lengths people go to on this forum to blame Ronnie's character for things. At the moment, Ronnie is doing NOTHING wrong. Which is the whole point of the story. Ronnie is happy, stable and not trying to control Roxy, not insecure, finally a mother and not tryng to stop Roxy doing anything. And Roxy is the opposite. She is unhappy and insecure post Dean, she keeps messing up of her OWN accord and her well intentional friends or peers have said stuff (stupidly in Donnas case; who would recommend their friend gives up a child they clearly adore) that Roxy has taken to the extreme. And we saw Ronnie trying to dispel those fears. Nothing what is happening to Roxy at the moment is Ronnie's fault!
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Old 17-12-2016, 06:39
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It does seem like a really odd tone they've taken with this storyline. It genuinely disappointed me to hear Donna tell Roxy to let Ronnie and Jack adopt Amy, as Donna is meant to be a voice of reason so I can only assume we're meant to agree with her, and that Roxy and Jack would be the better parents for Amy. And that really is laughable, as you say; they have done far worse things in the past than Roxy has, and just because they're going through the motions of a 'perfect' marriage at the moment, it would unlikely have stayed that well (leaving out the fact that Ronnie and Roxy are leaving.)

I agree that Jack is very psychologically manipulative as well. He paints Roxy into a corner, knowing she has self-esteem issues, and then does the whole 'told you so' thing when she proves him right. If Ronnie and Jack were genuinely trying to build up Roxy's confidence and she was STILL messing up, I think the audience would be more sympathetic to them but at the moment it just feels like bullying.
Well I'm the audience and I've seen ZERO bullying from ronnie. Yes, in the past, she has been manipulative and cruel, as has Roxy. But, whilst Jack is being an arrogant twerp, Ronnie has been very supportive.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:23
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Are you serious with the above? Ronnie has done a lot for Roxy over the years and I think people have forgotten everything Roxy put Ronnie through. And yes, that was emotional abuse as well The thing is the sister have both learnt from it and Ronnie is not responsible for what Roxy is doing now; the writing has been showing us Ronnie also having learning to not try to control Roxy and she has been trying to help Roxy. Roxy's issues stem from her self esteem issues post Dean and the damage her leaving did to her relationship with her daughter to the mistakes she has made since with drugs etc... None of which is Ronnie's fault. It is ridiculous the lengths people go to on this forum to blame Ronnie's character for things. At the moment, Ronnie is doing NOTHING wrong. Which is the whole point of the story. Ronnie is happy, stable and not trying to control Roxy, not insecure, finally a mother and not tryng to stop Roxy doing anything. And Roxy is the opposite. She is unhappy and insecure post Dean, she keeps messing up of her OWN accord and her well intentional friends or peers have said stuff (stupidly in Donnas case; who would recommend their friend gives up a child they clearly adore) that Roxy has taken to the extreme. And we saw Ronnie trying to dispel those fears. Nothing what is happening to Roxy at the moment is Ronnie's fault!
Yes, I'm serious. Here's the thing: if you emotionally manipulate someone for years while telling them they're the most important thing in your life, and then withdraw that status, they're not suddenly going to 'snap out of it'. The effects of emotional abuse are longlasting. Ronnie is also aware of the effect Dean had on Roxy's already fragile self esteem but she's taking none of this into consideration.

She is paying lip service to Roxy's emotions but she is still, at the end of the day, prepared to take Amy away despite the fact that Roxy would obviously be a good mum to her if she got the help she needed.

Don't worry, though, the writers are on your side so you don't need to justify Ronnie to me. I know my reading of the situation is based on the psychology in this situation rather than what's convenient for storylining purposes.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:23
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A shame that we have to lose one of the fittest birds on the square.
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:20
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Are you serious with the above? Ronnie has done a lot for Roxy over the years and I think people have forgotten everything Roxy put Ronnie through. And yes, that was emotional abuse as well The thing is the sister have both learnt from it and Ronnie is not responsible for what Roxy is doing now; the writing has been showing us Ronnie also having learning to not try to control Roxy and she has been trying to help Roxy. Roxy's issues stem from her self esteem issues post Dean and the damage her leaving did to her relationship with her daughter to the mistakes she has made since with drugs etc... None of which is Ronnie's fault. It is ridiculous the lengths people go to on this forum to blame Ronnie's character for things. At the moment, Ronnie is doing NOTHING wrong. Which is the whole point of the story. Ronnie is happy, stable and not trying to control Roxy, not insecure, finally a mother and not tryng to stop Roxy doing anything. And Roxy is the opposite. She is unhappy and insecure post Dean, she keeps messing up of her OWN accord and her well intentional friends or peers have said stuff (stupidly in Donnas case; who would recommend their friend gives up a child they clearly adore) that Roxy has taken to the extreme. And we saw Ronnie trying to dispel those fears. Nothing what is happening to Roxy at the moment is Ronnie's fault!
She may of done a lot for Roxy but it's always been in her own interest, she has always tried to control Roxy, its a co-dependent relationship and that is why Roxy has always been this way.

Ronnie has never approved of any relationship that Roxy has had and has 9/10 interfered in it, she has babied Roxy all theses years that why they have this twisted sister thing going on, Roxy gets jealous when she sees Ronnie having a bit of happiness which she wants, so she sleeps with her blokes or acts out.

She sees Ronnie a unstable woman who done far worse than her over the years playing happy families and succeeding at parenting better then she is, getting everything she wants, why she at rock bottom, sofa surfing, looking for scraps at 40, I think I bit asking where it went all wrong and that starts and finishes at Ronnie imo.

And Why Roxy 100% is a grown woman and should be capable of looking after herself, she too dependent on her emotional manipulative relationship with Ronnie, just imagine Ronnie has been the most important person in Roxy's whole life since she was a child.
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