Gosh, I'm still trying to get my head around Denise & Phil having sex, I mean really?! 🙀
Denise and Kush-EastEnders.
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Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“It seems pointless making Phil the father. If Denise ends up keeping the baby, I would find it very unrealistic. She has made it clear that she has no interest in being a mother again, regardless of the fact that Phil is the father. Also she hasn't really shown any real emotional connection to her baby. Like has she even looked at her baby scans and until Libby came along, she hadn't bought anything for the baby.
I agree that it would have been more interesting if the baby was Kush's. If the baby was Kush's, but she didn't want it, she would feel more conflicted about giving it up for adoption because she has feelings for Kush.”
“It seems pointless making Phil the father. If Denise ends up keeping the baby, I would find it very unrealistic. She has made it clear that she has no interest in being a mother again, regardless of the fact that Phil is the father. Also she hasn't really shown any real emotional connection to her baby. Like has she even looked at her baby scans and until Libby came along, she hadn't bought anything for the baby.
I agree that it would have been more interesting if the baby was Kush's. If the baby was Kush's, but she didn't want it, she would feel more conflicted about giving it up for adoption because she has feelings for Kush.”
Exacty! Especially given Kush's recent loss of Zaair, it would've been a very interesting point of conflict to between him, the young man who's recently lost a child and would be excited to have another one, and Denise, the middle-aged woman who's had her kids and is looking for something more out of life.
Why did they have to take it down the unispiring 'One Night Stand Daddy' route yet again? I really like Denise as a character and am dreading the possibility of her keeping the baby and spending the next 20 years playing tug-of-war with Phil over it.
Originally Posted by vald:
“I have a horrible feeling that Phil and Sharon will lay claim to it and she will have to suffer the horror of it being brought up by a thug right under her nose.
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“I have a horrible feeling that Phil and Sharon will lay claim to it and she will have to suffer the horror of it being brought up by a thug right under her nose.
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I will be very surprised if that happens. I think that Denise would rather raise the baby herself than let Phil have anything to do with the baby.
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“Exacty! Especially given Kush's recent loss of Zaair, it would've been a very interesting point of conflict to between him, the young man who's recently lost a child and would be excited to have another one, and Denise, the middle-aged woman who's had her kids and is looking for something more out of life.
Why did they have to take it down the unispiring 'One Night Stand Daddy' route yet again? I really like Denise as a character and am dreading the possibility of her keeping the baby and spending the next 20 years playing tug-of-war with Phil over it.”
“Exacty! Especially given Kush's recent loss of Zaair, it would've been a very interesting point of conflict to between him, the young man who's recently lost a child and would be excited to have another one, and Denise, the middle-aged woman who's had her kids and is looking for something more out of life.
Why did they have to take it down the unispiring 'One Night Stand Daddy' route yet again? I really like Denise as a character and am dreading the possibility of her keeping the baby and spending the next 20 years playing tug-of-war with Phil over it.”
I agree.
The only thing that is giving me hope is that we have a new producer in charge so maybe what we think will happen, won't. He might not agree with the storyline so may want to finish it off and forget about it.
Denise has remained firm in her decision to give the baby up for adoption so hopefully she follows through with it.
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I will be very surprised if that happens. I think that Denise would rather raise the baby herself than let Phil have anything to do with the baby.
I agree.
The only thing that is giving me hope is that we have a new producer in charge so maybe what we think will happen, won't. He might not agree with the storyline so may want to finish it off and forget about it.
Denise has remained firm in her decision to give the baby up for adoption so hopefully she follows through with it.”
“I will be very surprised if that happens. I think that Denise would rather raise the baby herself than let Phil have anything to do with the baby.
I agree.
The only thing that is giving me hope is that we have a new producer in charge so maybe what we think will happen, won't. He might not agree with the storyline so may want to finish it off and forget about it.
Denise has remained firm in her decision to give the baby up for adoption so hopefully she follows through with it.”
I've lost track of how many characters decide to go down the adoption route and then back out and I think Denise will want to keep the baby - either that or Phil will lay claim.
Originally Posted by Zarla:
“I've lost track of how many characters decide to go down the adoption route and then back out and I think Denise will want to keep the baby - either that or Phil will lay claim.”
“I've lost track of how many characters decide to go down the adoption route and then back out and I think Denise will want to keep the baby - either that or Phil will lay claim.”
But don't they usually show the characters having doubts beforehand?
She will probably end up keeping it because its a soap but I don't see why.
Originally Posted by Adrian_Ward1:
“Hopefully Kush helps Denise Raise the baby”
“Hopefully Kush helps Denise Raise the baby”
I wouldn't mind that.
Originally Posted by Adrian_Ward1:
“Hopefully Kush helps Denise Raise the baby”
“Hopefully Kush helps Denise Raise the baby”
Either that or support her over the adoption. I don't feel that anyone is on her side right now.
The trouble is they've made it Phil's baby, and Phil always wins even if they have to change the law, rewrite history or ruin every other character in the show.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Either that or support her over the adoption. I don't feel that anyone is on her side right now.
The trouble is they've made it Phil's baby, and Phil always wins even if they have to change the law, rewrite history or ruin every other character in the show.”
“Either that or support her over the adoption. I don't feel that anyone is on her side right now.
The trouble is they've made it Phil's baby, and Phil always wins even if they have to change the law, rewrite history or ruin every other character in the show.”
Would fans accept a hasty retcon? Perhaps Denise made a mistake and the baby actually IS Kush's after all
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I agree.
The only thing that is giving me hope is that we have a new producer in charge so maybe what we think will happen, won't. He might not agree with the storyline so may want to finish it off and forget about it.
Denise has remained firm in her decision to give the baby up for adoption so hopefully she follows through with it.”
“I agree.
The only thing that is giving me hope is that we have a new producer in charge so maybe what we think will happen, won't. He might not agree with the storyline so may want to finish it off and forget about it.
Denise has remained firm in her decision to give the baby up for adoption so hopefully she follows through with it.”
You might be right. I hope so. There was that kiss between Denise and Kush last week, so perhaps SOC is keen to have Denise drop the sprog asap and get back with Kush
Originally Posted by Adrian_Ward1:
“Hopefully Kush helps Denise Raise the baby”
“Hopefully Kush helps Denise Raise the baby”
He seems too immature and selfish to accept that sort of responsibility to be honest. He'd need to undergo a personality transplant and become like Martin to be on a position to adopt someone else's child and even then I think it would only be a short term thing. Also an interfering mum wouldn't help in that sort of scenario.
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“Would fans accept a hasty retcon? Perhaps Denise made a mistake and the baby actually IS Kush's after all”
“Would fans accept a hasty retcon? Perhaps Denise made a mistake and the baby actually IS Kush's after all
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I would but I don't think others would.
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“You might be right. I hope so. There was that kiss between Denise and Kush last week, so perhaps SOC is keen to have Denise drop the sprog asap and get back with Kush”
“You might be right. I hope so. There was that kiss between Denise and Kush last week, so perhaps SOC is keen to have Denise drop the sprog asap and get back with Kush
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Hopefully.
Regardless of what happens with the baby, I think that Denise and Kush will get back together. The kiss was put there for a reason, even though it was Carmel who made them do it.
Davood said that there's more to come between Denise and Kush.
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I would but I don't think others would.”
“I would but I don't think others would.”
I would too. Denise can blame her lack of education for mixing up the dates (hence why she's attending night classes)
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“Hopefully.
Regardless of what happens with the baby, I think that Denise and Kush will get back together. The kiss was put there for a reason, even though it was Carmel who made them do it.”
“Hopefully.
Regardless of what happens with the baby, I think that Denise and Kush will get back together. The kiss was put there for a reason, even though it was Carmel who made them do it.”
It's just a shame as I feel as if the baby is now in the way of what could've been a better storyline/couple pairing.
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“I would too. Denise can blame her lack of education for mixing up the dates (hence why she's attending night classes)”
“I would too. Denise can blame her lack of education for mixing up the dates (hence why she's attending night classes)
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Lol.
Although they will have to explain why the baby is coming so early. Denise slept with Phil in April (I think) and she slept with Kush in August.
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“It's just a shame as I feel as if the baby is now in the way of what could've been a better storyline/couple pairing.”
“It's just a shame as I feel as if the baby is now in the way of what could've been a better storyline/couple pairing.”
I don't mind too much because Denise and Kush will be revisited. There's a spoiler about the aftermath that gives me hope.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Either that or support her over the adoption. I don't feel that anyone is on her side right now.
The trouble is they've made it Phil's baby, and Phil always wins even if they have to change the law, rewrite history or ruin every other character in the show.”
“Either that or support her over the adoption. I don't feel that anyone is on her side right now.
The trouble is they've made it Phil's baby, and Phil always wins even if they have to change the law, rewrite history or ruin every other character in the show.”
That's true
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“Lol.
Although they will have to explain why the baby is coming so early. Denise slept with Phil in April (I think) and she slept with Kush in August.”
“Lol.
Although they will have to explain why the baby is coming so early. Denise slept with Phil in April (I think) and she slept with Kush in August.”
Predictably dramatic premature birth?
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I don't mind too much because Denise and Kush will be revisited. There's a spoiler about the aftermath that gives me hope.”
“I don't mind too much because Denise and Kush will be revisited. There's a spoiler about the aftermath that gives me hope.”
Ooh, must got check it out
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“Predictably dramatic premature birth?
Ooh, must got check it out”
“Predictably dramatic premature birth?
Ooh, must got check it out
”
Lol that would work.
http://walfordweb.com/topic/30101978/1/
(Sorry, the link has to be copy and pasted.)
There's a picture with the spoilers for the week beginning the 9th January with a brief spoilers for the week after.
I do want them to go through with the adoption as it's so rare to see that on a soap and Diane will be simply amazing in the scenes. Be great to explore that.
Then I'd love Denise and Kush to get back together. He can support her decision whilst people like Carmel have a go at her! They are great as a couple and I'd like to ensure he has a bigger more secure role.
Then I'd love Denise and Kush to get back together. He can support her decision whilst people like Carmel have a go at her! They are great as a couple and I'd like to ensure he has a bigger more secure role.
Originally Posted by nigel12:
“I do want them to go through with the adoption as it's so rare to see that on a soap and Diane will be simply amazing in the scenes. Be great to explore that.
Then I'd love Denise and Kush to get back together. He can support her decision whilst people like Carmel have a go at her! They are great as a couple and I'd like to ensure he has a bigger more secure role.”
“I do want them to go through with the adoption as it's so rare to see that on a soap and Diane will be simply amazing in the scenes. Be great to explore that.
Then I'd love Denise and Kush to get back together. He can support her decision whilst people like Carmel have a go at her! They are great as a couple and I'd like to ensure he has a bigger more secure role.”
I agree with all of that.
Denise really doesn't want the baby so it wouldn't be right for her to keep it.
I can't wait for Carmel's reaction, This could be the first time we see Carmel as a character really come out of her shell.
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“I can't wait for Carmel's reaction, This could be the first time we see Carmel as a character really come out of her shell.”
“I can't wait for Carmel's reaction, This could be the first time we see Carmel as a character really come out of her shell.”
She's going to be so annoyed, but I think that Kush will be able to talk her round eventually. At least she likes Denise.
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“She's going to be so annoyed, but I think that Kush will be able to talk her round. At least she likes Denise.”
“She's going to be so annoyed, but I think that Kush will be able to talk her round. At least she likes Denise.”
Bit odd, Would make a great Jeremy Kyle story-line. "My son is dating my best friend and pretending to be the dad of a thugs child"
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“Bit odd, Would make a great Jeremy Kyle story-line. "My son is dating my best friend and pretending to be the dad of a thugs child"”
“Bit odd, Would make a great Jeremy Kyle story-line. "My son is dating my best friend and pretending to be the dad of a thugs child"”
Lol it would.
There's no reason for Carmel to be annoyed. They are both proper adults.
I think that Denise will end up keeping the baby despite her having no interest in the baby.
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