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Old 17-12-2016, 12:09
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I forgot about the gurning and the screaming from she and Georgia; so cringey
Oh and go and pickle your walnuts.

Don't remember much screaming from Georgia, just the best dancing of last series, way better then blank face Jay. Better Charleston, better Samba, better AS.

She will probably have a better post Strictly career as well, way more engaging as a performer. She's my winner from last year.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:11
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He might not have underperformed, he was just the worst dancer on the night. Like Chris Hollins who didn't underperform on the night, just not the best dancer.

Jay was not annoying, he didn't really show much of any character at all to make anybody dislike him. How many people dislike water?



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How many ppl like screaming women and I'm a woman? Jay was very understated and non-assuming and plenty of folk like that. The fact that their wonderful jive was nowhere in sight during the final says everything about their belief in every other dance they did.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:11
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Totally agree. Jay was never an in your face dancer like Kellie, he was always understated but this was what a lot of people liked about him.

Not everybody likes the gurning, throw everything but the kitchen sink type of dance.
I agree too. You could see that he was enjoying every dance and yes, he made mistakes, but that's what I liked about him. I thought the judges had a bit of a downer on him in the final but the public had the final say.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:13
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Oh and go and pickle your walnuts.

Don't remember much screaming from Georgia, just the best dancing of last series, way better then blank face Jay. Better Charleston, better Samba, better AS.

She will probably have a better post Strictly career as well, way more engaging as a performer. She's my winner from last year.
You must be deaf if you don't remember her squealing and screaming whenever she got through. Is your Dad bigger than everybody else's too?
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:15
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The most interesting thing to happen to him last year was a haircut.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:17
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[quote=Christopher D;84899124]
How many ppl like screaming women and I'm a woman? Jay was very understated and non-assuming and plenty of folk like that. The fact that their wonderful jive was nowhere in sight during the final says everything about their belief in every other dance they did.[/QUOTE

The most interesting thing to happen to him last year was a haircut.
I can't be bothered debating with somebody who is so blinded by their like for a dancer, they end up resembling a child. The most interesting thing that happened to him last series was deservedly winning...deal with it.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:18
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Oh and go and pickle your walnuts.

Don't remember much screaming from Georgia, just the best dancing of last series, way better then blank face Jay. Better Charleston, better Samba, better AS.

She will probably have a better post Strictly career as well, way more engaging as a performer. She's my winner from last year.
I saw she was in Trollied but haven't seen any more about her but please let me know if she has done anything else. I did like her and much preferred her to Kellie.

Jay has the leading role in Big which might end up in the West End at some time.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:19
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You must be deaf if you don't remember her squealing and screaming whenever she got through. Is your Dad bigger than everybody else's too?
Its called it being excited if she did it.

My Dad probably yes,
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:24
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Did not like that post, I'm too positive person to get bogged down with this.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:27
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But why do you think Danny is NOT?

Ore languished behind Louise and Danny and sometimes Claudia too, and he was in the DO in the quarters. You seem to be basing it solely on the semi final.

As for Danny, there's just NO evidence that he's not a favourite NONE. It's irrational.


Does he ALWAYS have to be top, otherwise it's 'not fair'?
Except when deserves to be - I have nothing against Ore (great AS and great jive) but God was that AT over-marked. The QS I'll give them the benefit of the doubt because judging by the response on here it was very marmite although it wasn't my cup of tea in a year that was full of great ones but the AT definately over-marked.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:28
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Pot and Kettle.

You don't debate, you don't have the ability. In fact I don't like all of Georgia's dances, I don't like her Paso, most of her early dancers. Not like you with Jay eh.

I have seen you demean other peoples opinion. I don't like people of your ilk.
You don't like me? Hang on, I will see if I've got any f***s left to give. So you're another hypocrite who talks of FMs demeaning others, whilst being nasty about a bloke you don't even know. Yes pot kettle indeed.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:30
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You've made a good point there. Danny is mostly the highest on the LB, he is mostly the best dancer but funnily enough the judges saved him over Claudia in the DO where she was better.

I would say they just downplay Danny so as to create tension and belief the others are contenders, dance wise.
But she was in turn saved in the DO when Greg was better so at least she's benefitted from DOs decisions mostly been made on form rather than what's in front of them - personally I think the right decision was made on both occasions. She proved after Blackpool she deserved to stay in but to deny Danny the title or at least a crack at it would have been wrong.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:32
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You don't like me? Hang on, I will see if I've got any f***s left to give. So you're another hypocrite who talks of FMs demeaning others, whilst being nasty about a bloke you don't even know. Yes pot kettle indeed.
Not nasty just don't think he deserved to win and your right I don't like how you act on this forum. You demean people's opinions.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:38
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Not nasty just don't think he deserved to win and your right I don't like how you act on this forum. You demean people's opinions.
As well as being deaf, do you also have trouble grasping what's been said about me not caring what you think? This is a forum and I've seen plenty of giggling emojis under FMs posts where they disagree and huddle in clusters to have a go. I have today apologised to one poster, who I felt I had been out of order to. The rest, who you've observed, I have no intention of making such apologies, because, as with you, they can have a go at celebrities but when its pointed out what hypocrites they are, they then feign shock. As for not being able to debate, try looking up objectivity; many adults use it.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:43
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No need for heated discussions or nastiness today. Its Finals day and lets enjoy it. It will all be over in a few hours time for another year.
Good luck to all dancers, I hope they dance their hearts out to entertain us, and I really don't mind who wins.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:45
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So I'm deaf.

Time to go. I have not being nasty to Jay and I am objective.

Shame others are not
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:49
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So I'm deaf.

Time to go. I have not being nasty to Jay and I am objective.

Shame others are not
Objective is not being biased. If your logic in disliking somebody is whether you like their dancing or not, it makes your personal opinion of me even more worthless.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:12
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It's all about the framing "Oh you've had no dance training" "oh you've been on such a journey" etc etc. "Oh you've been in the final 4 times but never won"
So what.
Just mark the dancing for a change.
Personally I feel that there is a perhaps a good reason for introducing two sets of marks like they have ice skating competitive dancing which in some ways resemble the SCD performances more than actual ballroom competitions. One set of marks is for the technical elements (technical merit) and one set of the performance aspects (artistic impression) even my mum is now saying this.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:14
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I might record it and then fast forward everything other than the dances. It should be done and dusted within 45 mins
Sounds like a good policy - I've got people coming around so I may well end up doing the same thing.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:16
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Some intelligence on the part of the voting public would be even more welcome.

If England and Wales managed to vote for Brexit, how on earth will the Scots and Northern Irish manage to inject some sanity by even-handed voting?

What way will the vote swing when the Isle of Wight constitutency is declared?

As a friend of mine has arranged for a huge preChristmas party and dinner tomorrow night, Saturday, I have written to the BBC asking them to put back the whole show until Sunday 18th so that I would be free to watch it live.

My stage name is 'Fabiata Delusion'.
Not true areas of England and Wales did - Londoners which I am a part of voting to remain as did Brighton, Leicester and quite a few of the mayor cities. I keep saying maybe London and Leciester should become city states with the new capital being Birmingham which voted to leave.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:19
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Oh and go and pickle your walnuts.

Don't remember much screaming from Georgia, just the best dancing of last series, way better then blank face Jay. Better Charleston, better Samba, better AS.

She will probably have a better post Strictly career as well, way more engaging as a performer. She's my winner from last year.
I will give you a better Samba as Jay didn't do a Samba
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:19
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I will give you a better Samba as Jay didn't do a Samba
Whoops you got me there
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:23
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in the final the judges tend to give far too many 10's on the basis that at the end of the season the celebs are now good rather than marking the scores objectively.
The judges were poor last week but I think this week they'll overmark everyone.
I completely agree with that but I think they may well over-mark some more than others to justify their appearance there.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:24
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They won't. They'll be championing someone in a not too subtle, hit you over the head with it, sort of way. My guess is Kevin.
We took no notice of them last year though
Well to be fair Kellie and Kevin should have won last year. Also, Kellie Bright is a far better dancer than Louise - if he wins with Louise yet lost with Kellie it'll just prove how farcical the show has been this year.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:40
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He might not have underperformed, he was just the worst dancer on the night. Like Chris Hollins who didn't underperform on the night, just not the best dancer.

Jay was not annoying, he didn't really show much of any character at all to make anybody dislike him. How many people dislike water?



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I think you've both illustrated how subjective this is and also perhaps the dilimena between what happens on the night and what happens over the course of the series. Personally I think Jay won for what he did over the series because his showdance was certainly the worst (to be honest I think Ailona and possibly Jay too knew that it didn't really matter what they did as long as they didn't produce a mess so they kinda of danced for themselves) and espeically for his jive although other dances such as his rhumba, salsa and the paso he did in the final were also good and I personally think it was right he won. This is not a sprint it's a marathon - the marks have to not be culmilative to give those who improve rather start out great a chance but at the end of the day the public vote can be about the whole story not the invididual performances on the night and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also it's worth pointing out although Kellie performed 'better' that two of the dances she did were charlestons so it's not as if she displayed a lot of variety in what she did - the phrase one trick pony comes to mind.
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