It might have made a diference to some, like me for example, I voted leave, but it was a close call, and if the EU had offerred more, my vote would have been different.

Give the spin a rest...every time she discusses her brexit strategy plan with her ministers does she invite the 27 other EU members? Of course not.

Would you have a link that confirms that is true?

I really, REALLY want this to happen! Why?

So they can walk into meetings like this

They are not members of the UK government whereas she is still a full member of the Council of Ministers, as the UK is a full member, and currently has given no formal notice of leaving. Fair's fair.
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The EU turned the public against the EU. Nobody else. With its crazy lawmaking and contempt for democracy. And I think you'll find that British media are regarded as some of the best in the world.

Actually the UK is not a full member, it hasn't paid its full contribution since 1985, isn't in the Euro area or part of the Schengen Area.

Not all Ministers are part of the Brexit Cabinet, so Mrs May is shunning her own Ministers.

I get the impression she wasn't shunned, more that she's not a very good company, Boris Johnson doesn't appear to get shunned.

Wrong. As i said the fact we wouldn't be invited to certain meetings was discussed multiple times before the vote.

Err the U.K. Has paid one of the highest rates of all countries since the EU started. Yes we get a rebate, but that's only because we put so damn much in. Why do you think they're $hitting themselves that we're going? Who's going to pay our contribution? Bankrupt France?

What crazy law making? What contempt for democracy?

Considering the EU is controlled by the nations, including the UK, that seems an odd thing to say.

All the ones UKIP and Boris made up, and some believed

France & Italy already pay a large chunk of our contribution. If we leave the EU, the UK will likely have to pay over the odds to remain part EU schemes such as Horizon 2020.

If the EU agencies that are based in the UK pull out, that's a sizeable chunk of revenue and significant local trade that will be lost...but as the 5th largest economy in the world we can afford to do without that money.

The UK isn't exactly financially sound, debt moving ever closer to two Trillion pounds, continued austerity, social care black hole etc...

We will see exactly how democratic the EU is when its member elected national parliaments and their elected MPs get to have a democratic vote on the final Brexit deal while our Westminster MPs don't.

You reaqlly can't help blaming UKIP, can you. There are heading towards a hundred euroscptic Tory MPs, along with others from other parties. Now how do you think the rdeferendum vote would have gone had the EU stopped FoM, do you think we would be preparing to leave?

Oh dear well what can we say.

Er no. it isn't. And there lies the problem.

He asked for very little and got even less, so it proved impossible for any credible campaign to make much of it. As a result the remain side were reduced to scare tactics - e.g. trying to trick voters into thinking that they would each be £4,300 worse off on a personal basis and in the end threats from the Chancellor that he would put taxes up immediately after a leave vote. These only succeeded in annoying many voters who could see straight through them and in the end they just hardened the resolve of some to vote to leave.

If Cameron had come back with something really tangible on which a good positive campaign could be fought, with some concessions on immigration which was clearly a pivotal issue for many, this could easily have swayed the relatively small number of voters needed to tip the balance the other way.

The same media who described the British judiciary as "enemies of the people" recently?

The scare tactics were all on the Leave side - Turkey will be joining- there will be an EU army - we are heading into a United States of Europe nonsense.

'Lets take contro;l' - Let's get our country back' - 1. The country never went anyehere 2. It is clear we are spiralling out of control.

And when it all goes tits up - it's clear that it'll be those who voted to remain that are going to get the blame.

Well in my post I actually gave a couple of examples of scare tactics used by the remain side.

What was Osborne's threat to have an emergency budget pretty much straight away after a leave vote if it was not a scare tactic?

Are we? Have I missed something?

Do you mean our elected ministers are powerless, and our PM?
They and the elected ministers from the other countries have literally no control at all over the EU?
None?
Blimey.

Stopped freedom of movement? The EU have already said that is a red line issue and non negotiable. In any event the hard right / far right in Britain have a problem with the very existence of the EU as a political union and only want a trading relationship with EU countries, meaning there is nothing that Cameron could have been given in Brussels that would have placated them.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/ap-bre...cience-2016-12

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7471366.html

http://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/6546...itehall-source

https://infacts.org/britains-stab-back/

Actually there were a couple of articles that caught my eye in the past couple of days but I can't find them now. Just seen these though - you don't have to look too hard - the writing is on the wall.

I suppose the cry is 'we always knew that there'd be short term pain but we'll gain in the long term' - I'm not sure I've seen any evidence how though TBH.