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Old 17-12-2016, 12:24
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Really? the UK has been bent over backwards to by the EU? Why then is the UK the most outvoted nation in the EU?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...ope-study-MEPs
The UK was regarded as one of the most influential nations in the EU and had more clout than most British people realise. They couldn't have gotten all those opt outs and rebates as a smaller nation. What the hardcore Eurosceptics were looking for was undeliverable though, only the loosest possible political connection with the EU going forward and the UK opting out of virtually everything.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:33
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Yeah, the country has really made it clear, all 37% of it.
As much as I didn't like the result, that's democracy.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:46
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The UK was regarded as one of the most influential nations in the EU and had more clout than most British people realise. They couldn't have gotten all those opt outs and rebates as a smaller nation. What the hardcore Eurosceptics were looking for was undeliverable though, only the loosest possible political connection with the EU going forward and the UK opting out of virtually everything.
Quite right, those empty-headed Brexit fools just hadn't a clue what they were doing but are rapidly paying the price for their ignorance and stupidity.
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Old 17-12-2016, 14:03
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The EU turned the public against the EU. Nobody else. With its crazy lawmaking and contempt for democracy. And I think you'll find that British media are regarded as some of the best in the world.
Googling the sentence "How are British media regarded", brings up plenty of sites saying that the British media are regarded as the most "Right Wing" and "Bias" in Europe based on a poll across Europe.
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Old 17-12-2016, 14:32
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Holding meetings without your opponent in the room is good sense, not a lack of transparency.
Should they even be holding such meetings at this stage? They've forbidden any discussions with the UK until A50 is invoked so, until that time, the EU probably shouldn't be discussing the matter in meetings or excluding the UK from anything. They should, like the UK, put in place a team for the upcoming talks and nothing more.
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Old 17-12-2016, 14:54
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Should they even be holding such meetings at this stage? They've forbidden any discussions with the UK until A50 is invoked so, until that time, the EU probably shouldn't be discussing the matter in meetings or excluding the UK from anything. They should, like the UK, put in place a team for the upcoming talks and nothing more.
Surely they can do as they please. They are as they always have been - it is the UK who are 'withdrawing' it is business as usual for the other 27 countries. Their team (as you put it) will involve all countries - their 'team' is probably already in place. I don't see why they have to wait for the May Team to make up their minds.
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Old 17-12-2016, 14:57
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Surely they can do as they please. They are as they always have been - it is the UK who are 'withdrawing' it is business as usual for the other 27 countries. Their team (as you put it) will involve all countries - their 'team' is probably already in place. I don't see why they have to wait for the May Team to make up their minds.
Bit in bold is the key. We haven't withdrawn yet so no, they shouldn't be having side meetings as we are still a fully paid in member of the EU.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:00
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Should they even be holding such meetings at this stage? They've forbidden any discussions with the UK until A50 is invoked so, until that time, the EU probably shouldn't be discussing the matter in meetings or excluding the UK from anything. They should, like the UK, put in place a team for the upcoming talks and nothing more.
Maybe that's what they were talking about.

Of course they should have meetings. The fact that the UK has no plan whatsoever doesn't mean the EU shouldn't either.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:02
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You just have stopped reading the news immediately after that if that was clear to you, then. Because what became clear immediately afterwards was that the emergency budget was vetoed by senior Tories. And even then the deficit target was abandoned immediately afterwards and we had our emergency budget rebranded and in October.
Both were made clear, then other things were made clear, what was clear was that lots of different things were being made clear.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:14
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Yeah, the country has really made it clear, all 37% of it.
Oh do give over. The majority of people who voted voted to leave. I am sure if 37% voted remain and that was the majority of voters, you'd conveniently not make that comment.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:14
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Googling the sentence "How are British media regarded", brings up plenty of sites saying that the British media are regarded as the most "Right Wing" and "Bias" in Europe based on a poll across Europe.
Nonsense. And who took this mythical poll? What was the sample size?
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:17
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The UK was regarded as one of the most influential nations in the EU and had more clout than most British people realise. They couldn't have gotten all those opt outs and rebates as a smaller nation. What the hardcore Eurosceptics were looking for was undeliverable though, only the loosest possible political connection with the EU going forward and the UK opting out of virtually everything.
You don't need a political connection to function as a country. The 170 countries which aren't connected to the EU politically do better outside of it than in. That political connection is why the EU is doomed to failure.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:19
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You're confusing things that might happen with things that were seen as fact.
As i said, it wasn't just a matter of something that may happen in the worst scenario. We were told on multiple occasions and the phrase was used on multiple occasions on the News, debates and other political discussion shows that intermediately their would be meetings where we would no longer have "a seat at the table".
Also, for the record because you may have missed it, we did have an emergency amount added to the cuts because the interdependent forecast after the vote at a cost to the public of nearly £60 billion was nearly twice as bad as the £30 Osbourne predicted that was branded "project fear".

Is that not the point that things being made clear as facts were predictions that have only become fact, or not as the case may be, after the event. Which of course does not alter the fact that the EU has still got the UK as full time, full member of the EU until such time as article 50 is triggered and exclusion is against their own rules until such time as the UK triggers article 50 as the EU themselves have said no negotiations can start until this time. In reality the UK did not have to inform the EU of any intention to Leave until they triggered article 50 and it is only good manners that means we have informed them of that intent. It would be nice if those good manners were reciprocated.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:28
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Googling the sentence "How are British media regarded", brings up plenty of sites saying that the British media are regarded as the most "Right Wing" and "Bias" in Europe based on a poll across Europe.
Nonsense. And who took this mythical poll? What was the sample size?
It's worth looking at the political leaning of much of the EU, not just to appraise this poll but to decide whether we would want to embark on the same journey with Mr. Corbyn.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:52
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You don't need a political connection to function as a country. The 170 countries which aren't connected to the EU politically do better outside of it than in. That political connection is why the EU is doomed to failure.
I don't agree that the EU is destined to split up but it does explain why Brexit was almost inevitable. The UK was getting quite a few opt outs but once it started moving towards wanting to be exempt from even the rules of the Single Market ie. wanting to halt freedom of movement in or out of Britain, then perhaps the writing was on the wall.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:53
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Yeah, think of how much money would have been saved if rather than having an EU flag, we continued with a flag for each of the nations every time the EU was represented.
Why does the EU need to be represented by a flag or an anthem ?
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:02
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Why does the EU need to be represented by a flag or an anthem ?
It's a political union of like minded countries who share similar values (as well as being a large trading bloc / single market). It doesn't make any secret of the political union aspect, it's there for everyone to see. It's not just a very loose arrangement of countries that exists only on paper, so of course it would have a flag and anthem (even NATO has a flag).
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:04
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Huge parts of the British media are a joke and have no credibility, anyone who is trying to give credence to the British media in general is simply bonkers.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:21
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Oh do give over. The majority of people who voted voted to leave. I am sure if 37% voted remain and that was the majority of voters, you'd conveniently not make that comment.
Maybe so, but still the country hasn't made it clear that it wanted to leave, it was a narrow victory.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:24
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Maybe so, but still the country hasn't made it clear that it wanted to leave, it was a narrow victory.
Yes it has. And it wasn't a narrow victory. A win is a win. Get over yourself. We're going.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:25
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Most of the other members probably see the UK as a pain in the arse, not a team player, want's to play by its own rules, not a fully committed member of the EU as the article stated UK has 'blackmailed' and made fools of the other EU members.

One of the first threads on here after the referendum stated the EU said they'll punish the UK, but nowhere in the interview with two foreign MEPs did they use the word 'punish', they said they were sorry to see the UK go.


So what we had was someone who hates the World starting a thread in which they used words that were never expressed. Sometimes it like watching an episode of the Jeremy Kyle show, where leave voters have to wind themselves up into a frenzy of anger.
MEP's are not the ones negotiation the exit it is Juncker and his cronies who are looking to punish in order to show others they should not leave or the same may happen to them, hardly a friendly democratic club from their side, but then Juncker can see the writing on the wall and is clinging on

As for no one having said the UK will be punished I never said the two MEPs you quote did but other at the top have they may not have used the words punish but basically the same, I mean Hollande for example said "we must be made to pay" and Juncker who called us deserters said we will face the consequences , even Merkel slapped him down

Maybe so, but still the country hasn't made it clear that it wanted to leave, it was a narrow victory.
If the result had been the other way round I doubt you would be saying the same.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:59
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Huge parts of the British media are a joke and have no credibility, anyone who is trying to give credence to the British media in general is simply bonkers.
It wasn't always that way, only after the press swung to the right / far right and started pursuing a political agenda - one or two of the tabloids are hardly even newspapers any longer, just campaigners for the right in Britain. The broadcast media is a good deal better though.
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Old 17-12-2016, 21:01
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Is that not the point that things being made clear as facts were predictions that have only become fact, or not as the case may be, after the event. Which of course does not alter the fact that the EU has still got the UK as full time, full member of the EU until such time as article 50 is triggered and exclusion is against their own rules until such time as the UK triggers article 50 as the EU themselves have said no negotiations can start until this time. In reality the UK did not have to inform the EU of any intention to Leave until they triggered article 50 and it is only good manners that means we have informed them of that intent. It would be nice if those good manners were reciprocated.
In this case no. We were even told when the first meeting we wouldn't be invited to was.
Maybe you didn't get the memo but as i said earlier, we have been told multiple times in the press and on tv that people who voted out were all highly intelligent and watched all the debates and discussions and made an informed decision based on all the facts, so if you voted out you can't really cry foul now because, according to the agreed script, you knew exactly what you were voting for.
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Old 17-12-2016, 21:42
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MEP's are not the ones negotiation the exit it is Juncker and his cronies who are looking to punish
Do you have any evidence (beyond newspaper headlines designed to fool the stupid and gullible) that anyone significant in the EU wants to do anything more than:

A/ Not let us have our cake and eat it, not let us enjoy the benefits without the commitments
B/ Not give us a better deal than they (other members) have
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Old 17-12-2016, 21:44
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Do you have any evidence (beyond newspaper headlines designed to fool the stupid and gullible) that anyone significant in the EU wants to do anything more than:

A/ Not let us have our cake and eat it, not let us enjoy the benefits without the commitments
B/ Not give us a better deal than they (other members) have
C) cut their noses off to spite their face.
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