Originally Posted by trunkster:
“C) cut their noses off to spite their face.”
“C) cut their noses off to spite their face.”
Er, no, we voted to leave.
Teresa May Getting Shunned By EU in Brussels
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Originally Posted by andykn:
“Er, no, we voted to leave.”
“Er, no, we voted to leave.”
Yep, and as a major net contributor to and importer of EU produce we can now get/negotiate the best deal for us and us alone.
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“Yep, and as a major net contributor to and importer of EU produce we can now get/negotiate the best deal for us and us alone.”
“Yep, and as a major net contributor to and importer of EU produce we can now get/negotiate the best deal for us and us alone.”
..always bearing in mind the rest of the EU will "punish" us by not giving us a better deal than they get themselves; they won't let us have the benefits without the commitments.
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“Yep, and as a major net contributor to and importer of EU produce we can now get/negotiate the best deal for us and us alone.”
“Yep, and as a major net contributor to and importer of EU produce we can now get/negotiate the best deal for us and us alone.”
That's not how negotiations work. We can't just walk into a negotiation with the EU and dictate terms to them, hence, we won't have "the best deal for us and us alone", rather we'll get the deal that the EU is willing to agree with us which - based on the fact they clearly aren't queuing up in desperation to negotiate with us (as the Brexit fantasists claimed they would) - is likely to fall well short of "the best deal for us and us alone".
Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“Is that not the point that things being made clear as facts were predictions that have only become fact, or not as the case may be, after the event. Which of course does not alter the fact that the EU has still got the UK as full time, full member of the EU until such time as article 50 is triggered and exclusion is against their own rules until such time as the UK triggers article 50 as the EU themselves have said no negotiations can start until this time. In reality the UK did not have to inform the EU of any intention to Leave until they triggered article 50 and it is only good manners that means we have informed them of that intent. It would be nice if those good manners were reciprocated.”
“Is that not the point that things being made clear as facts were predictions that have only become fact, or not as the case may be, after the event. Which of course does not alter the fact that the EU has still got the UK as full time, full member of the EU until such time as article 50 is triggered and exclusion is against their own rules until such time as the UK triggers article 50 as the EU themselves have said no negotiations can start until this time. In reality the UK did not have to inform the EU of any intention to Leave until they triggered article 50 and it is only good manners that means we have informed them of that intent. It would be nice if those good manners were reciprocated.”
The UK wasn't excluded. May attended the full formal European Council meeting and participated in its decision making.
She did not attend the subsequent informal meeting of the EU-27 that was held immediately after the European Council Meeting. As the only reason that the informal meeting is occurring is as a result of her single-minded determination to leave the EU, neither she nor anyone here can complain about that.
Originally Posted by Kiteview:
“The UK wasn't excluded. May attended the full formal European Council meeting and participated in its decision making.
She did not attend the subsequent informal meeting of the EU-27 that was held immediately after the European Council Meeting. As the only reason that the informal meeting is occurring is as a result of her single-minded determination to leave the EU, neither she nor anyone here can complain about that.”
“The UK wasn't excluded. May attended the full formal European Council meeting and participated in its decision making.
She did not attend the subsequent informal meeting of the EU-27 that was held immediately after the European Council Meeting. As the only reason that the informal meeting is occurring is as a result of her single-minded determination to leave the EU, neither she nor anyone here can complain about that.”
The last time I looked the public by majority voted to leave Theresa May did not by her single minded determination decide we were leaving the EU.
Yes she was at a meeting the informal meeting as you call it was no such thing it was the annual end of year dinner ( held an hour or so later not immediately after ) , ok maybe they might discuss the UK at dinner but they could have had those chats any time, they did exclude her from an annual dinner and they also pretty much snubbed her in the main meeting and forget politics that is just bad manners.
Theresa may did address the council in the main meeting where she wanted to get an early agreement on British citizens who live or work at present elsewhere within the EU and EU citizens who work and live within the UK. She got no response or reaction at all and then said "I think I had better leave now", this was confirmed by Irelands Taoiseach Enda Kenny
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“The last time I looked the public by majority voted to leave Theresa May did not by her single minded determination decide we were leaving the EU.”
“The last time I looked the public by majority voted to leave Theresa May did not by her single minded determination decide we were leaving the EU.”
The referendum was advisory. It is May who is determined to treat that advice as a binding instruction.
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“Yes she was at a meeting the informal meeting as you call it was no such thing it was the annual end of year dinner ( held an hour or so later not immediately after ) , ok maybe they might discuss the UK at dinner but they could have had those chats any time, they did exclude her from an annual dinner and they also pretty much snubbed her in the main meeting and forget politics that is just bad manners.
Theresa may did address the council in the main meeting where she wanted to get an early agreement on British citizens who live or work at present elsewhere within the EU and EU citizens who work and live within the UK. She got no response or reaction at all and then said "I think I had better leave now", this was confirmed by Irelands Taoiseach Enda Kenny”
“Yes she was at a meeting the informal meeting as you call it was no such thing it was the annual end of year dinner ( held an hour or so later not immediately after ) , ok maybe they might discuss the UK at dinner but they could have had those chats any time, they did exclude her from an annual dinner and they also pretty much snubbed her in the main meeting and forget politics that is just bad manners.
Theresa may did address the council in the main meeting where she wanted to get an early agreement on British citizens who live or work at present elsewhere within the EU and EU citizens who work and live within the UK. She got no response or reaction at all and then said "I think I had better leave now", this was confirmed by Irelands Taoiseach Enda Kenny”
Brexit was not on the agenda for the formal meeting.
She didn't attend the informal Euro-27 meeting.
And the picture of Theresa "no-mates" is clear - the other leaders are "working the room" and building relationships/trying to advance their national interests (not snubbing her). Meanwhile, May is hanging back even though relationships with other EU leaders will be critical for a U.K. exit and post-exit deal. She just isn't particularly interested in putting in the effort to "work the room" as the photo clearly shows. I can't think of any recent PM who would have done that.
Originally Posted by Kiteview:
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And the picture of Theresa "no-mates" is clear - the other leaders are "working the room" and building relationships/trying to advance their national interests (not snubbing her). Meanwhile, May is hanging back even though relationships with other EU leaders will be critical for a U.K. exit and post-exit deal. She just isn't particularly interested in putting in the effort to "work the room" as the photo clearly shows. I can't think of any recent PM who would have done that.”
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And the picture of Theresa "no-mates" is clear - the other leaders are "working the room" and building relationships/trying to advance their national interests (not snubbing her). Meanwhile, May is hanging back even though relationships with other EU leaders will be critical for a U.K. exit and post-exit deal. She just isn't particularly interested in putting in the effort to "work the room" as the photo clearly shows. I can't think of any recent PM who would have done that.”
I was reading recently that Cameron was much more of a people person and would spend his time 'pressing the flesh' at these EU summits. May seems more reserved and serious and doesn't really have the social skills to be friends with everyone.
One bright day the buffoons who voted to leave the EU will wake up to the folly of their action and realise that neither the EU nor the world owes the UK a living. Mrs May is already realising that and had better get used to it.
Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“One bright day the buffoons who voted to leave the EU will wake up to the folly of their action and realise that neither the EU nor the world owes the UK a living. Mrs May is already realising that and had better get used to it.”
“One bright day the buffoons who voted to leave the EU will wake up to the folly of their action and realise that neither the EU nor the world owes the UK a living. Mrs May is already realising that and had better get used to it.”
The EU owes the U.K.for its living. They're pissing themselves now where going. Who's going to pay our giant subsidy? Not bankrupt France.
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“The EU owes the U.K.for its living. They're pissing themselves now where going. Who's going to pay our giant subsidy? Not bankrupt France.”
“The EU owes the U.K.for its living. They're pissing themselves now where going. Who's going to pay our giant subsidy? Not bankrupt France.”
Judging by your reference to incontinence you're beginning to get worried about the future. So you should.
Originally Posted by Kiteview:
“The referendum was advisory. It is May who is determined to treat that advice as a binding instruction.
Brexit was not on the agenda for the formal meeting.
She didn't attend the informal Euro-27 meeting.
And the picture of Theresa "no-mates" is clear - the other leaders are "working the room" and building relationships/trying to advance their national interests (not snubbing her). Meanwhile, May is hanging back even though relationships with other EU leaders will be critical for a U.K. exit and post-exit deal. She just isn't particularly interested in putting in the effort to "work the room" as the photo clearly shows. I can't think of any recent PM who would have done that.”
“The referendum was advisory. It is May who is determined to treat that advice as a binding instruction.
Brexit was not on the agenda for the formal meeting.
She didn't attend the informal Euro-27 meeting.
And the picture of Theresa "no-mates" is clear - the other leaders are "working the room" and building relationships/trying to advance their national interests (not snubbing her). Meanwhile, May is hanging back even though relationships with other EU leaders will be critical for a U.K. exit and post-exit deal. She just isn't particularly interested in putting in the effort to "work the room" as the photo clearly shows. I can't think of any recent PM who would have done that.”
Bearing in mind what the Irish PM had to say about how she was basically ignored it is of no surprise she felt unable to wander up to people.
Re the informal meeting if you check you will find this is an annual end of year dinner which is held every year (hint in the word annual) and she was not invited .
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I was reading recently that Cameron was much more of a people person and would spend his time 'pressing the flesh' at these EU summits. May seems more reserved and serious and doesn't really have the social skills to be friends with everyone.”
“I was reading recently that Cameron was much more of a people person and would spend his time 'pressing the flesh' at these EU summits. May seems more reserved and serious and doesn't really have the social skills to be friends with everyone.”
Cameron was ,undobtedly,an absolute charmer in company-his manners being described as 'beautiful' but it did not stop the EU from totally humiliating him as he saught a half decent and accepteable offer to bring back to the UK .
I am a total Brexiteer who cannot wait to leave the festering heap of ignorance,arrogance and deceit that describes the Brussels shit heap.
Had they have even met Cameron half way I believe the Brexit vote would have been reversed.
In truth,the vote to leave was the best thing that has happened to this country since we joined this awful club of shysters.
Yes there will be problems-some serious but at least we will have a future.
The EU in its current form simply cannot survive-this is agreed by all financial and constitutional experts.
We will be well rid of the EU Brussels elite and most of us Brexiteers will take great satisfaction as we watch the whole thing slowly disintergrate over the next decade-probably much sooner!
Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“ Mrs May is already realising that and had better get used to it.”
“ Mrs May is already realising that and had better get used to it.”
She isn't, we need to forget the EU, trade with the European countries that want to trade with us and do our best to forgive the buffoons that voted remain.
Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“Judging by your reference to incontinence you're beginning to get worried about the future. So you should.”
“Judging by your reference to incontinence you're beginning to get worried about the future. So you should.”
Best wipe that chin, there's a bit of BS on it.
Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“Judging by your reference to incontinence you're beginning to get worried about the future. So you should.”
“Judging by your reference to incontinence you're beginning to get worried about the future. So you should.”
Nice non answer to the question.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“It's a political union of like minded countries who share similar values (as well as being a large trading bloc / single market). It doesn't make any secret of the political union aspect, it's there for everyone to see. It's not just a very loose arrangement of countries that exists only on paper, so of course it would have a flag and anthem (even NATO has a flag).”
“It's a political union of like minded countries who share similar values (as well as being a large trading bloc / single market). It doesn't make any secret of the political union aspect, it's there for everyone to see. It's not just a very loose arrangement of countries that exists only on paper, so of course it would have a flag and anthem (even NATO has a flag).”
This Country has never voted for us to be in this political union.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“They are behaving like petulant children !!
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...ls-summit/amp/
Feel sorry for Teresa...”
“They are behaving like petulant children !!
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...ls-summit/amp/
Feel sorry for Teresa...”
Those at Brussels will be showing other EU countries what'll happen if they decide to leave the EU.
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