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Why are people suddenly saying "gotten".
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Paradise_Lost
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
“Used to hear "gotten" all the time when I lived in Kent but not much in the Midlands.

Mom is mainly used in Birmingham. I grew up in Coventry / Warwickshire and everyone who I knew used "Mum".”

Birmingham indeed but particularly The Black Country.
Andrew1954
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“It is not an Americanism.

It may be new to you, and who knows where these people you're only now hearing use it picked it up from, but it's been in use here for donkeys years. If anything, it looks like Americans may be using it more these days than they used to. And by "used to" I mean over the past 50 years or so, but then again most of the real Americanisms have been in common use longer than most English language snobs have been alive.

See the Google Ngram of "gotten" from the American English corpus versus the British English corpus. Even if there was a direct link and more people over here are beginning to use it due to the influence of American culture (and we're about to see a sharp upturn in the British English corpus) it's still an English word.”

It is an "Americanism" in that it is more commonly used by North American speakers. It is the archaic form of got which has been preserved in American English and not so much in British English. Yes, I don't like its use. To my ear it sounds like an unnecessary affectation when spoken by an obviously British speaker. We are still allowed to dislike things I believe.

What interests me most though is the reason for its apparent rapid rise in use over here. We heard it in American films and TV programmes for decades without it taking off here. Like most American words we knew and heard gotten - like sidewalk, trash, elevator, automobile, hood, gas, windshield, and trunk - but on the whole we didn't normally use it or any of these words. Why has it happened? As you suggest it may be because its use has increased recently in the US too. I've read that suggested somewhere else recently also. The development of language is interesting.
andydylan
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mallyminx:
“I've never heard 'mum' being spoken as 'mom'. Certainly not in the North.
Just wondering, do the card shops in Birmingham have Mom on their greetings cards? ..eg: Happy birthday Mom....?”

In the North they say "mam", have you seen a card with mam on it?
TerraCanis
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“I think people need to be taught that language is a living thing in constant flux where the rules are defined by mutual agreement, not by manuals of textbooks.

"Gotten" is gaining ground in the UK because of American English influence, It may irritate some, but there's nothing inherently wrong with that. American English is by far the most dominant dialect of English in the world.”

One effect of that state of flux being that the word "gotten" by and large fell out of favour some time toward the start of the last four hundred years or so. I say by and large because it does seem to have survived as a dialectical form, but I wouldn't say that it was in general use (and still isn't).

Nonetheless, it was sufficiently widespread to prompt the cautionary tale (from either Fowler's Modern English Usage or Brewer's Phrase and Fable, I think):

A man who had promised to take his wife to a very popular show that was typically sold out months in advance managed by some miracle to secure two tickets. Excitited, he sent his wife a telegram* that read "Have gotten tickets". Imagine his surprise when he met his wife at the theatre to find that she had brought with her four other couples...

*Which should tell you that this is by no means a new story
WhatJoeThinks
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“It is an "Americanism" in that it is more commonly used by North American speakers...”

Is it though? Or are you simply guessing? Either way you've made up your own definition.
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