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There's plenty more of them.
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Grayling is currently top of my "minister most likely to resign" list. I'm no defender of cyclists, but his failure to give his details after knocking the bloke off his bike was bang out of order, and his failure to check before opening the car door was pure idiocy.
Coming at the same time as the Southern Region rail dispute is causing chaos in Tory heartlands, and the government's apparent desire to see RMT/ASLEF vanquished at any cost, he's making himself very unpopular indeed. |
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It's the reason I as a cyclist crawl very slowly through stationary traffic. Passengers are far more likely to do this than car drivers because they don't have mirrors, and they don't think it's their responsibility to check. They should of course but some don't. So it's sensible to cycle assuming it will happen.
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Grayling is currently top of my "minister most likely to resign" list. I'm no defender of cyclists, but his failure to give his details after knocking the bloke off his bike was bang out of order, and his failure to check before opening the car door was pure idiocy.
Coming at the same time as the Southern Region rail dispute is causing chaos in Tory heartlands, and the government's apparent desire to see RMT/ASLEF vanquished at any cost, he's making himself very unpopular indeed. |
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I can remember from a childhood cycling proficiency course dire warnings about undertaking, and being warned to take extreme caution when overtaking parked cars at least a doors width if safe to do so.
Looking at the video it would appear the the rear passenger door opened up on a cyclist who was undertaking at the time. The person getting out would have had no rear view and would have been unable to see if anything was undertaking. so from that it would appear to be the cyclists fault. |
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The perils of undertaking made clear.
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Are the government unpopular because of southern rail? From what I've seen it is the guards that are making themselves unpopular.
The leaked letter to Boris Johnson where he rejected the idea of TfL taking over the trains in London, because he didn't want Labour possibly to have control, showed he puts party politics above what's in the public interest. |
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I can remember from a childhood cycling proficiency course dire warnings about undertaking, and being warned to take extreme caution when overtaking parked cars at least a doors width if safe to do so.
Looking at the video it would appear the the rear passenger door opened up on a cyclist who was undertaking at the time. The person getting out would have had no rear view and would have been unable to see if anything was undertaking. so from that it would appear to be the cyclists fault. However, wasn't the line of traffic blocking a left turn just ahead that the cyclist was going down, so it would be safer to undertake than cut across a line of traffic which could start moving at any time? (from one report I read) Probably a 50/50 fault thing. |
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I can remember from a childhood cycling proficiency course dire warnings about undertaking, and being warned to take extreme caution when overtaking parked cars at least a doors width if safe to do so.
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Do children still take the cycling proficiency course? I know some do in my area, or something like it, but the standards of cycling on our roads is now so appalling I doubt many have had any training whatsoever. And I say that as a cyclist.
![]() I do think there should be a test *compulsory for cyclists - at least one that ensures they have had to read the Highway Code and prove they have learned some of the content, that they know the rules of the road and that they apply to them as well as to drivers. Then they could ignore them as many drivers do ![]() ETA: *added |
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Surely the reverse......the cyclist hit Chris Grayling
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Grayling didn't hit the cyclist. The cyclist cycled into a car door.
There is a difference! |
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The perils of undertaking made clear.
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I blame the driver, he should have had his hazards on, then the cyclist would assume he was dropping off
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I blame the driver, he should have had his hazards on, then the cyclist would assume he was dropping off
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I think all are equally to blame, which seemed to be how all parties involved took it.
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What...........nobody is blaming Brexit
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Surely the reverse......the cyclist hit Chris Grayling
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Grayling didn't hit the cyclist. The cyclist cycled into a car door.
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Too right. If Chris Grayling had been a cement lorry turning left then the cyclist would now be dead......
(that's why cement lorries now have lots of mirrors, and Grayling wasn't turning left, he was getting out of the car without looking) |
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Grayling is currently top of my "minister most likely to resign" list. I'm no defender of cyclists, but his failure to give his details after knocking the bloke off his bike was bang out of order, and his failure to check before opening the car door was pure idiocy.
Coming at the same time as the Southern Region rail dispute is causing chaos in Tory heartlands, and the government's apparent desire to see RMT/ASLEF vanquished at any cost, he's making himself very unpopular indeed. |
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Well, look at it this way - most drivers have taken a driving test and all that that includes, that doesn't stop the standard of driving from some people being less than spectacular, so why a proficiency test would have any effect I do not know
![]() I do think there should be a test *compulsory for cyclists - at least one that ensures they have had to read the Highway Code and prove they have learned some of the content, that they know the rules of the road and that they apply to them as well as to drivers. Then they could ignore them as many drivers do ![]() ETA: *added I do agree with you second point. In risk assessment terms, at work or whatever, we would never dream of allowing people to do something as dangerous as cycle on roads without training and possibly refresher training from time to time. OK you'll never stop the nutcases from cycling dangerously. But raising cyclists' awareness would probably go some way to improve standards of cycling. Many of the problems probably arise from ignorance and thoughtlessness. |
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At least we can say this one is not the car driver's fault. If Grayling had asked his chauffeur to move over to the kerb before getting out to walk rather than be delayed by the traffic this situation could have been avoided.
That said the cyclist should have been more observant. |
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At least we can say this one is not the car driver's fault. If Grayling had asked his chauffeur to move over to the kerb before getting out to walk rather than be delayed by the traffic this situation could have been avoided.
That said the cyclist should have been more observant. http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/po...dham_1_4819730 and one of them just cycled off without leaving his name |
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At least we can say this one is not the car driver's fault. If Grayling had asked his chauffeur to move over to the kerb before getting out to walk rather than be delayed by the traffic this situation could have been avoided.
That said the cyclist should have been more observant. |
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