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Old 17-12-2016, 12:02
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It gets a thumbs down from me. We already have many problems here associated with our drinking culture, I can only see this making it worse. Profit before the welfare of others as always.
I agree our drinking culture is an issue but I don't see the correlation with this. Plenty of countries have more lax alcohol regulations including the use of vending machines to dispense cans of larger or offer alcohol with fast food etc and they don't have anywhere near the same problems we do. If someone is determined to get smashed they will find a way to do it.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:39
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I assume this means that over 18's paying for alcohol in shops and supermarkets, via contactless cards, will no longer be hassled for ID?
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:44
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I assume this means that over 18's paying for alcohol in shops and supermarkets, via contactless cards, will no longer be hassled for ID?
No, the machine will light up and you will have to wait until someone comes over and approves the transaction.

"Unauthorised pint in settling area".
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:10
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So no actual answer then?
You were given an answer. If you're too lazy to do your own research then remain ignorant.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:31
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You were given an answer. If you're too lazy to do your own research then remain ignorant.
I did my research and it's laughable! Even the good old Guardian article isn't sure about it and as you read it gives three ever increasing figures.

Some of these deluded idiots actually believe if you give a person a basic income of just £3700 (I can't remember the exact figure, but it's less than that) they can survive!

Reading further it quickly jumps to £6000 and again points out this probably won't be enough and may need to be doubled.

So now we're at £12,000 at least, which is still below the far too low minimum wage and nobody has paid a penny in tax to pay for this. I don't know how you're going to pay for the NHS and universal health care too if tax receipts are zero.

The idea of a universal basic income is a nice one but utterly unworkable. You may as well hand out Monopoly money.
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:32
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One issue might be people who have had a bit too much to drink now being able to help themselves, without having the bar staff intervening and telling them they should consider going home.
This has to be the number one reason this won't ever work. They can't remove that human verification element. Both to determine if the person is too drunk and if they're over the age to drink.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:16
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I thought this was about one of those pubs where people sit playing with their phones and ignoring everyone around them.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:31
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Does a barmaid require getting paid minimal wage for pouring a pint is that a skill worthy of minimal wage when it shoots up in a few years? that's what this will save pubs money on, staff.. so pubs can survive for longer and not close at a rate of 27 a week now.
the bar staff in my local deserve at least £20 an hour for having to put up with the inane drivel from the sloshed regulars, one of them being me
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:34
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the bar staff in my local deserve at least £20 an hour for having to put up with the inane drivel from the sloshed regulars, one of them being me
I found the OP you quoted extremely insulting too.

The same in my local, the staff work bloody hard for £7.20 per hour and most of them are on zero hours contracts. Though the owner and manager do seem quite fair and will keep staff around as long as possible.

They certainly deserve a hell of a lot more as they have a drinks 'Bible' to learn and it's huge. Plus many of the staff can create you a new drink just by asking a few questions.

I once said I fealt like purple, a car and heavy metal. After a few minutes thought they mixed up a drink that was awesome
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Old 23-12-2016, 03:05
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You still need bar staff to get you that bag of crisps, mix your drinks, open your mixer bottle or bottle of beer, clear away the glasses, wash them, all sorts. If all you want is what's in the pump, that's fine.

You also get to use your glass again I guess, which for health & safety you can't now - so you will be putting your glass around a pump that's been around many other glasses (if you touch your glass to the pump, which is sometimes unavoidable).
Some of my local pubs then didn't get that memo. I prefer to drink beer from glasses with a handle in pubs, rather than a straight glass. I haven't had any problems so far having my handled glass refilled if the pub has run out, e.g. the others are in the dishwasher.
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Old 23-12-2016, 05:25
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Some of my local pubs then didn't get that memo. I prefer to drink beer from glasses with a handle in pubs, rather than a straight glass. I haven't had any problems so far having my handled glass refilled if the pub has run out, e.g. the others are in the dishwasher.
i don`t know what the current legal status [] of beer mugs is but a lot of places won`t use them because they are a pretty deadly weapon.

if i`m drinking ale i prefer a mug too.
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Old 23-12-2016, 05:43
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I did my research and it's laughable! Even the good old Guardian article isn't sure about it and as you read it gives three ever increasing figures.

Some of these deluded idiots actually believe if you give a person a basic income of just £3700 (I can't remember the exact figure, but it's less than that) they can survive!

Reading further it quickly jumps to £6000 and again points out this probably won't be enough and may need to be doubled.

So now we're at £12,000 at least, which is still below the far too low minimum wage and nobody has paid a penny in tax to pay for this. I don't know how you're going to pay for the NHS and universal health care too if tax receipts are zero.

The idea of a universal basic income is a nice one but utterly unworkable. You may as well hand out Monopoly money.
It's very workable in fact. You need to do more research on it. For a start, you're not taking into account the effects of mass automation on the affordability of essential items and services by the looks of it.

The basic income is not intended to be the only source of income for many, it's better seen as an improved safety net without the moral judgements of the current system, which seems more intent on punishing people for being out of work, ill or disabled than helping anyone.
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Old 23-12-2016, 06:51
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Do we need a barmaid though who is up herself?? Or staff who serve the favourites first? Sure se can do without that..

This seems like a quick way to get beer

You must be going to the wrong pubs, never had a problem with the staff.
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Old 23-12-2016, 07:00
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You must be going to the wrong pubs, never had a problem with the staff.
Same here, even when I practically lived in the pub I had to wait until it was my turn to be served. Indeed all the regulars have to wait there's no preferential treatment above and beyond asking what you want and the staff logging it for your turn.

It's a fair system and especially as it gets busy at times with only one or two staff serving.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:13
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the idea of getting contactlessly drunk I find quite attractive.

But getting rid of bar staff will do terrible things to Australian immigration, obviously
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:29
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Oh, I see. I thought it was a pub you only had to walk past to get drunk.
That happens to me every time!
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Old 24-12-2016, 12:06
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i don`t know what the current legal status [] of beer mugs is but a lot of places won`t use them because they are a pretty deadly weapon.

if i`m drinking ale i prefer a mug too.
Same here, but last night at this place they served you with plastic jugs after about 9pm (as they do every Friday and Saturday).

Bloody hell. I went out pubbing at about 1pm yesterday, swearing I'd not go out too late and ended up rolling in about 4am this morning. The place was absolutely heaving. A, if you're reading this, it's all your fault, for keeping me out so long. And I'm supposed to be doing the same thing again tonight.
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Old 24-12-2016, 12:17
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Does a barmaid require getting paid minimal wage for pouring a pint is that a skill worthy of minimal wage when it shoots up in a few years? that's what this will save pubs money on, staff.. so pubs can survive for longer and not close at a rate of 27 a week now.
I think you appear to have no idea about minimum wage or those who earn it and struggle to get by on it.

If a pub can manage without the bar staff to wash the glasses, clean the tables, mix drinks, deal with food orders, sort out the many stupid requests and queries from the many stupid customers, then it shouldn't be open in the first place.
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Old 24-12-2016, 13:24
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What you need to do is combine contactless with Table Pumps, like Diageo tried out in Ireland A lot simpler than having to put your card behind the bar
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Old 24-12-2016, 13:53
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Is there actually any demand for a pub?
Most now serve and rely on food to keep the business going. And that requires a bit more skill than a vending machine.
That may be true over here, but I met a guy from New Jersey around 1990 who had quit his job, sold up, and moved to Hernando Beach, FL.
He bought a bar/restaurant, and we began to frequent the place and got to know him well.
One year we were there when the Ryder Cup was being played, he was a patriotic golf nut, and of of our gang, who played with him at a local course made him a bet.
Sure enough Europe won, and the next time we pulled into the parking lot there, he'd rearranged the letters on his advertising hoarding to say, CONGRATULATIONS EUROPE, YOU ARE THE DOGS BO**OCKS, except he used the two Ls.
He had no idea what it meant, but that had been the bet.
We'd get in there around 5.30-5.45 p.m., get plugged into some fire water, then about 8.00 p.m. we'd have beautiful fresh grouper, soft-shelled crabs, or steaks.
Then it was back to the bar until our eyes began to droop, then he'd run us back to our rented house.
One of us would take a cab back to get the car next day.
He said that the food there was like a loss leader for him, he made his $$ with the booze,
and that when we'd been in a couple of days running, he could have a day or two off on the strength of what we'd put over the bar.

I thought this was about one of those pubs where people sit playing with their phones and ignoring everyone around them.
Actually my first thought was that the pubs wouldn't take contactless card payment, or that the pubs didn't publicise their phone numbers.
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Old 24-12-2016, 22:17
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The whole point of going to the pub is for the atmosphere. Talking to the barmaid, maybe others you meet there. if you`re just going to change it into a self service system people might as well just hang out at home with their group of friends.
Pubs are for talking, sharing, having fun not just filling yourself 10 pints and heading off.
It could work in clubs, in fact it would work well in clubs if they added other drinks to the system but not in pubs.
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