They are. When you first go in you don't get them. You're on a basic regime. If you behave you receive some privileges, do something wrong and they are removed. The whole point of giving prisoners TV's etc is to get them to behave. Carrot and stick.

Yes the punishment IS being sent to prison, and loss of Liberty, but while you are in there you should not expect home comforts!
TV, gym, computers. Etc are not rights , why should prisoners receive these privileges , without working for them, when many of those outside prison can't afford them!

visitors still get stuff in, and prisoners who`ve been out.

they do work for them, they are an incentive to behave well.

with zero reward for improvement it would be mayhem and the staff conditions would be shocking - if they could get any staff.

just for starters.

They should house them in tents inside a 15ft perimeter fence, patrolled by armed guards.

When they are sitting in the tents freezing cold due to the lack of heating then perhaps they'll think twice before smashing up a prison ever again.

They managed to get staff until the yooman rights brigade piped up. Old lags will tell you that the old prisons guards didnt take any nonsense off prisoners

Surely it is possible to stop drones delivering stuff, and drugs and mobiles being brought in eg walk through the security arch
Is a blind eye turned to ensure harmony in prison?
How can things improve?
What is the incentive for anyone to do this job?
As for degrading treatment, perhaps prisoners should reflect on how they degraded their victims
Smoking , no they shouldn't be allowed to smoke, but I fear removing the right would probably result in bigger disturbances than we have ever seen.

my father was a prison officer, he would tell you that they are respected for treating people like they are human, as would all the people i know who`ve been in prison.

prison officers themselves are human too.

But the law and order brigade don't think they should have any priviiges at all. They think they should break rocks all day with no incentives.

Well in the uk they have never been known as prison guards, only prison officers also they were employed by the crown and were public employees. Today thousands were laid off and the private sector run alot of prisons companies like G4S, Captia and in simple terms these companies are not there to run a service, they are in the business to make money and lots of profit like trying to run a prison on the least staff they can get away with and employing workers cheaper now then they were 10 years ago

It should be noted that this particular prison isn't a category A just in case people were wondering, the levels of security and staffing are relative.

Whats your point ? Back then it was an "us and them" thing. Prisoners loathed officers. In the 60s-70s officers were known to give a disruptive prisoner a kicking, no denying that at all.No prison riots either. I am not saying that todays prison officers should hand out a kicking but the prisoners have it way to easy. They have zero respect for the prison officers.

i`m sorry if it`s not clear enough.

prisoners respect officers who have some humanity and fairness, not bully boys.

prison officers have to live with themselves and their families.

i hope that clarifies.

Respect shouldn't come from giving somebody a kicking though, sanctioning that behaviour only reinforces it in the minds of prisoners and normalises it. I'm all for making prison hard, but that is taking things too far.

Prisoners respect nobody, its why they are in prison in the first place.
I am a fan of the books written by the old prisoners from the 60s-70s-80s. I am yet to read the line " we respected the guards" They hated them, simple as that

[quote=Thine Wonk;84906643]Respect shouldn't come from giving somebody a kicking though, sanctioning that behaviour only reinforces it in the minds of prisoners and normalises it. I'm all for making prison hard, but that is taking things too far.[/QUOTE

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Of course it shoukdnt. If officers acted like they did 30 years ago i would expect them to be prosecuted, but prisoners have zero respect for an officer who they know has no power over them at all

I think they should be empowered within reason and if justifiable, but not to dish out beatings.

Nobody should be dishing out beatings

The them and us attitude has caused more problems world wide, them and us does not get respect. Respect is earned a uniform does not command or get respect, the person inside the uniform earns respect.

[quote=tim59;84906923]The them and us attitude has caused more problems world wide, them and us does not get respect. Respect is earned a uniform does not command or get respect, the person inside the uniform earns respect.[/QUOTE]

Maybe in a Disney movie. You are asking people who break the law for a living to show respect to someone who isnt even allowed to raise his/her voice to them without being threatened with a kicking. The vast majority of prisoners do not know the meaning of respect

a large number of my friends and a couple of exes are or have been in prison, you don`t know what you are talking about.

indeed, my father has several items that prisoners have made for him, in common with a lot of other officers.

If I could work I would rather it was only 9am-12am or 2-4.30pm, not all day.

I'm afraid I can relate to that. My Brother in law was on remand for violence (he had been a troubled youth and been in trouble for many things so he had a record). He kept complaining that he was feeling ill, they just kept giving him asprin. He was on remand for about 3 months feeling bad. Then one day he collapsed when he was taken to hospital they found he had lung cancer. He died in Jan this year. 1 year after diagnosis and a year and a half from when he got symptoms. The doctors said if he had been seen by them when the symptoms first started he may have had a chance to survive.

Only if you let them out. I see solitary as a punishment of last resort for persistent offenders


Two solutions here. No visitors or use of a computor screen.

Prison officers are over-worked & under-paid - needs addressing. All the prisoners involved in this riot should have 5 years added to their sentences - possibly with 'hard labour' if that can be organised. Prison visits should be stopped - no seeing family/friends (how else can all these drugs & other contraband be getting in to prisons....?)