On the other hand it is another case of telling people you can achieve nothing without a degree.

The general requirement will be to have a degree before you can become an officer so not necessarily on the job training.

there may be exceptions made for those entering through apprenticeships.

It may be being implemented across a lot of industries, as I said I just see that is happening because so many people are getting degrees these days so more companies are asking for them instead of the old O levels / GCSE's , it wont be long before you need a degree to make a cup of tea. What next degrees will become ten a penny and those who used to ask for a degree will then want candidates with a Masters.

You just spouted a load of rubbish by the way. Maybe have a read up on it?

I think I posted a link earlier in the thread.

It wont be an exception it is an alternative entry route.

Peoples options on leaving school will be higher education or an apprenticeship

Where is here?

I am spouting rubbish, perhaps you should tell that to the College of Policing who are the ones who said it, and Dr Sam Peach, who drew up the plan for the college. They want degree for entry level and masters degrees whilst on the job for those promoted to Superintendent rank, those wanting to be Chief Constables will have to do a masters before applying. To gain access to the Apprenticeship you will have to have three A levels in addition to your GCSE's and they do not want many doing it that way as that comes out of the Police budgets when if they have a Policing degree already the police do not have to pay for that as that has been done prior to joining.

The MET has had to ask the College if they can start an apprenticeship scheme asap as they still want to attract those who do not have the academic route. The College want self funded degrees in their words "as a pre-requisite for most new recruits". CC Marshall of the College has said they are still looking at the consultation results

The opposite actually. The V300 prescribing course is very intense and only six months in duration, with one day a week attendance at uni. One requires a great deal of prior knowledge of medications and is usually taught at masters level. If a nurse didn't have a first degree they would not be accepted onto the course at all.

Many post registration courses are taught at degree and masters level. As nurses have to continually update their knowledge and skills as a requirement of their continuing registration they would be unable to progress in their career. The new apprenticeship style training which is due to commence in September 2017 will be for 5 years and the student nurse will be awarded a degree at the end of the course.

Nurses need degrees as far as I am concerned - how they achieve that degree is not the issue. The apprenticeship style training were students are employed by the NHS and receive a salary, is in recognition of the difficulties faced by some student nurses who would struggle to afford to study once the bursary is discontinued next year.

Whether the police need degrees or not I cannot say for I do not know enough about modern policing to reach an informed opinion.

I assure you nurses can prescribe medications once they have completed the post registration nurse prescribing course.

They have been able to do so since the 1990's. However, more nurses now prescribe than ever before. They can prescribe from the whole of the British National Formulary, just the same as doctors.

Many health centres have nurse practitioners who prescribe, but of course not all.

Cannula insertion has been done by nurses for years. Back in 1999 when I worked on a busy medical ward we would have many IV infusions going. Cannula's have a way of becoming displaced from time to time and a new cannula needs inserting. Can you imagine having to contact a doctor each time this happens? You must be joking. Hospital doctors are busy enough without spending their time with this. As nurses we simply inserted a new cannula and recommenced the IV infusion.

The majority of nurse prescribers tend to work in the community - whereas in hospital it is usually more senior or specialist nurses who prescribe. Why on earth a doctor was needed to insert a cannula I have no idea. As for prescribing the IV fluid it could simply be there were no nurse prescribers available at that time or it was something very specialised. There could be several reasons.

However, I do know in my local hospital there are nurses in the radiology department who do prescribe.

Most of the people you saw in a variety of uniforms may have been a whole host of personnel such as radiographers, radiology assistants, clerical staff etc., not just nurses.

Simple answer - yes.

in my experience nurses are better than doctors at many procedures, presumably because they are more experienced.

i`d rather have anything with needles and fiddling done by the nurse.

That looks like the system wants changing, rather than having police officers with degrees just to improve a conviction rate of something that allows all manner of technical arguments that dont actually alter the facts.

The 97% conviction rate here tells the story.

If they are going to give a degree for the training they already do, what's the point?

In reality I can see the only people being recruited are those who already have a degree, because it will be cheaper, and it will lessen the time recruits are away from the job.

What degrees will be required as an entry qualification? Whatever it is, they will still need to undertake the full training that has always been undertaken anyway.

The notion of having a qualification is taking away the obvious thing of "Is this person trained to do the job, and can they do it?" If the answer is "Yes", you dont need a degree to say so.

do they have nvq`s in the police force?

It's just an arse-covering exercise by those on high.

If Police officers make any sort of cock up that might result in criticism, or even claims for damages, it can be shown that the people they work for have trained them to DEGREE level. What more could they do?

A sad part of modern life.

They tried something similar before I retired for some roles, but it involved a huge amount of paperwork to evidence everything you were doing, and It wasn't popular. Probationary constables had an enormous folder that they had to record all manner of stuff in, and the time spent pouring over them all as a supervisor was hard going, and they didn't really tell anyone whether the person could do the job or not. It showed a difference in who could write stuff up better though.

Not sure how it works now.

that`s a process that needs streamlining if it hasn`t been already and then that could be tailored into an appropriate set of modules for an in work degree.

I would hope it is better now, but I still think a degree course is way over the top.

The idea of having a degree to get in in the first place makes no sense. Does it mean any degree? A degree in Art is hardly going to be any use, and a policing degree, without actually doing the job, or having any practical knowledge would be very difficult. Is there such a thing as a policing degree?

Proper training, and supervision are what is required, and that doesn't require a degree.

It would lead to a metric crap ton of degree courses...

Traffic police would have a BSC in vehicular science..

Special branch would have a degree in how to lie to your 'partner' for 5 - 10 years and then get a free exemption from paying for the child as legally the person you are died aged 3 days old 20 years ago.

Do you need a physics degree to be a firearms cop? its nice to know where the bullets land shall we say.

Now if the general training of the average police office on the most basic points of the job is fine as there is a lot of legal and moral stuff to cover then why not give them a qualification. I doubt a BSC in Policing will be of much interest to many external companies other than the 'security' industry.

That is already happening.

When I started my job 20 years ago the requirement was a HNC/HND in telecommunications or an equivalent subject.

If my job was advertised today my employer would require a minimum of a Masters in Telecommunications. I wouldn't even get an interview.

I agree. A degree can't teach someone the "soft skills" required to do such a job effectively.

i was thinking more in terms of the nvq type of degree but made more doable.

whereas i agree that police officers don`t necessarily need a degree etc, etc. i would imagine it is useful on your cv when it comes to promotion and of course when you leave the service, it`s not completely valueless in a personal sense either.

but compulsory, no.