Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Just heard on BBC news that he got 13 years, at Birmingham Crown Court.”
“Just heard on BBC news that he got 13 years, at Birmingham Crown Court.”
Should have been sent to prison
101yr old paedophile found guilty, but,,,,,,
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Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“Seems you are wrong. They only made reports to Police in August last year when photos of him celebrating his 100th birthday were posted on Facebook.”
“Seems you are wrong. They only made reports to Police in August last year when photos of him celebrating his 100th birthday were posted on Facebook.”
How does that make me wrong? You think all the people came forward? You think only the truth reported? You think no one ever swept anything under the carpet. You think statements never omit anything.
Believe me I am not wrong, I know as lived through some real shite and when I plucked up the courage to go to the police I was told to "run along home and don't be silly" Home where my abuser lived. Even if my abuser was facing charges now , I would never again say a word, the wounds go to deep to reopen it all now, and to listen to the excuses the police would make for sending me home would make me sick.
"lessons will be learned" so trite, so much crap sprouted.
Originally Posted by cantos:
“I think he is the only winner in this case.
He has lived 101 years and now gets 24 hours care for the remainder of his life.
The obligation for the prison to deal with his care needs is greater than Social Services obligations if was living on his own.”
“I think he is the only winner in this case.
He has lived 101 years and now gets 24 hours care for the remainder of his life.
The obligation for the prison to deal with his care needs is greater than Social Services obligations if was living on his own.”
Unfortunately, perfectly correct, and all free as well (except to us taxpayers).
In society if he needed a special expensive chair, if he couldn't pay for it he won't get it as social services are not obliged to pay or supply it.
In prison, as he is in he "care" of the prison service they are obliged to supply it and he will get it.
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“How does that make me wrong? You think all the people came forward? You think only the truth reported? You think no one ever swept anything under the carpet. You think statements never omit anything.”
“How does that make me wrong? You think all the people came forward? You think only the truth reported? You think no one ever swept anything under the carpet. You think statements never omit anything.”
From the BBC news website, "Clarke's victims reported the offences to West Midlands Police in August last year after seeing Facebook posts celebrating his 100th birthday." There is no mention of any complaints made prior to that time or anything being 'swept under the carpet' as in them having lodged complaints to police in the 70s/80s, but ignored.
To use a comparison, the recent footballer sex abuse scandal, some did make complaints at the time to their clubs. Much of that still has to be heard and the Bennell case is currently ongoing.
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“From the BBC news website, "Clarke's victims reported the offences to West Midlands Police in August last year after seeing Facebook posts celebrating his 100th birthday." There is no mention of any complaints made prior to that time or anything being 'swept under the carpet' as in them having lodged complaints to police in the 70s/80s, but ignored.”
“From the BBC news website, "Clarke's victims reported the offences to West Midlands Police in August last year after seeing Facebook posts celebrating his 100th birthday." There is no mention of any complaints made prior to that time or anything being 'swept under the carpet' as in them having lodged complaints to police in the 70s/80s, but ignored.”
He changed his plea to guilty part way through his trial to the offences against a young boy.
I don't think he should have been sent to prison, and I'm thinking more of the hard-pressed prison staff who will have to deal with him & his special needs when they're not trained for it rather than this nasty old man.
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“Ah.. Stab a copper then? Right-e-o.”
“Ah.. Stab a copper then?
Right-e-o.”
No, if it's a free hit, go for someone we really don't like. How about Tony Blair ?
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“I don't think he should have been sent to prison, and I'm thinking more of the hard-pressed prison staff who will have to deal with him & his special needs when they're not trained for it rather than this nasty old man.”
“I don't think he should have been sent to prison, and I'm thinking more of the hard-pressed prison staff who will have to deal with him & his special needs when they're not trained for it rather than this nasty old man.”
There has to be punishment, regardless of the age of the person found guilty of committing the crime. Otherwise, at what age do we stop punishing people for raping children?
His victims sound very such like family members who have put up with years of abuse and been unable to say anything.
If he wasn't inside, they'd probably smash his windows and paint things on his house, which the council would have to sort out. If vigilantes did come, they could get the wrong old man.
Originally Posted by grauniad:
“No, if it's a free hit, go for someone we really don't like. How about Tony Blair ?”
“No, if it's a free hit, go for someone we really don't like. How about Tony Blair ?”
So, stab an MP then? Will do.
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“From the BBC news website, "Clarke's victims reported the offences to West Midlands Police in August last year after seeing Facebook posts celebrating his 100th birthday." There is no mention of any complaints made prior to that time or anything being 'swept under the carpet' as in them having lodged complaints to police in the 70s/80s, but ignored.
To use a comparison, the recent footballer sex abuse scandal, some did make complaints at the time to their clubs. Much of that still has to be heard and the Bennell case is currently ongoing.”
“From the BBC news website, "Clarke's victims reported the offences to West Midlands Police in August last year after seeing Facebook posts celebrating his 100th birthday." There is no mention of any complaints made prior to that time or anything being 'swept under the carpet' as in them having lodged complaints to police in the 70s/80s, but ignored.
To use a comparison, the recent footballer sex abuse scandal, some did make complaints at the time to their clubs. Much of that still has to be heard and the Bennell case is currently ongoing.”
That isn't to say its true. When I went to the police station in `1972 The police didn't write anything down , just told me to run along home. This man was doing it before the 70s.
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“"A 101-year-old man has been jailed for 13 years for committing 30 child sex offences."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38367103”
“"A 101-year-old man has been jailed for 13 years for committing 30 child sex offences."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38367103”
If he served the full term he'd get in the Guinness Book of Records as the UK's oldest ever male.
Something for him to aspire to.
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“We all die somewhere. It's far too late and the scum obviously doesn't care.
He should have been in prison years ago instead of enjoying a damn sight more freedom than justice would have allowed him when he did care.”
“We all die somewhere. It's far too late and the scum obviously doesn't care.
He should have been in prison years ago instead of enjoying a damn sight more freedom than justice would have allowed him when he did care.”
Better late than never. There are too many nevers - especially for those with connections
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“That isn't to say its true. When I went to the police station in `1972 The police didn't write anything down , just told me to run along home. This man was doing it before the 70s.”
“That isn't to say its true. When I went to the police station in `1972 The police didn't write anything down , just told me to run along home. This man was doing it before the 70s.”
In this case that's exactly what it does appear to be as i've previously stated what was in the new reports. And this is the case in question i was referring to.
Is prison really an appropriate punishment, though?
I can see that there needs to be a punishment, and if someone is a threat to society, then certainly, prison seems to be a reasonable option.
But, realistically, what is achieved by sending this 103-year-old to prison, when, as people have already said, he will simply be looked after, possibly better than if he were in a care home?
I can see that there needs to be a punishment, and if someone is a threat to society, then certainly, prison seems to be a reasonable option.
But, realistically, what is achieved by sending this 103-year-old to prison, when, as people have already said, he will simply be looked after, possibly better than if he were in a care home?
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“In this case that's exactly what it does appear to be as i've previously stated what was in the new reports. And this is the case in question i was referring to.”
“In this case that's exactly what it does appear to be as i've previously stated what was in the new reports. And this is the case in question i was referring to.”
Ahh it was in the reports so must be true. O-K
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Is prison really an appropriate punishment, though?
I can see that there needs to be a punishment, and if someone is a threat to society, then certainly, prison seems to be a reasonable option.
But, realistically, what is achieved by sending this 103-year-old to prison, when, as people have already said, he will simply be looked after, possibly better than if he were in a care home?”
“Is prison really an appropriate punishment, though?
I can see that there needs to be a punishment, and if someone is a threat to society, then certainly, prison seems to be a reasonable option.
But, realistically, what is achieved by sending this 103-year-old to prison, when, as people have already said, he will simply be looked after, possibly better than if he were in a care home?”
anything less than prison sends out the message that if you can avoid getting lawed until <insert age> you`re home and dry and clean away with it, effectively.
he wasn`t this old when he was noncing children.
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“So, stab an MP then? Will do.”
“So, stab an MP then? Will do.
”
Tony Blair hasnt been an MP since 2007.
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Is prison really an appropriate punishment, though?
I can see that there needs to be a punishment, and if someone is a threat to society, then certainly, prison seems to be a reasonable option.
But, realistically, what is achieved by sending this 103-year-old to prison, when, as people have already said, he will simply be looked after, possibly better than if he were in a care home?”
“Is prison really an appropriate punishment, though?
I can see that there needs to be a punishment, and if someone is a threat to society, then certainly, prison seems to be a reasonable option.
But, realistically, what is achieved by sending this 103-year-old to prison, when, as people have already said, he will simply be looked after, possibly better than if he were in a care home?”
So do you propose he doesn't go to prison at all?
Anyone saying prison isn't a punishment is being absolutely ridiculous.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“So do you propose he doesn't go to prison at all?
Anyone saying prison isn't a punishment is being absolutely ridiculous.”
“So do you propose he doesn't go to prison at all?
Anyone saying prison isn't a punishment is being absolutely ridiculous.”
We need to look at the crime and the 'punishment'....put a lien on his estate to go to some good cause on his death, so "save the kittens" charity will get lets say 50% of his estate thats probably better than having to spend a 100k a year keeping the guy in prison and at that age he's no threat as a car alarm going off at 4am will probably be enough to finish him off.
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“I don't think he should have been sent to prison, and I'm thinking more of the hard-pressed prison staff who will have to deal with him & his special needs when they're not trained for it rather than this nasty old man.”
“I don't think he should have been sent to prison, and I'm thinking more of the hard-pressed prison staff who will have to deal with him & his special needs when they're not trained for it rather than this nasty old man.”
His crimes were serious and he's perfectly aware of what he's done. It would make a mockery of his victims and the justice system if he didn't receive the appropriate punishment.
There are an increasing number of over 60's prisoners which the prison service continue to learn to deal with as they should.
https://www.ft.com/content/9f7f3432-...a-27d368e1ddf7
With an ever increasing older population, inability to deal with elderly criminals should never be allowed to become an excuse for justice evasion.
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