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Old 17-12-2016, 10:09
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I am slightly disappointed how the contestants dance experience is being unfairly used against them.

Danny Mac went to an arts school and played parts on the west end and he has had to publicly defend himself and his previous experience. Whereas Louise perhaps has the most dance background as she trained with Italia arts academy with a dance specialism and was even a judge on so you think you can dance owing to her dance credentials. Yet this is overlooked and ignored. On the final take two - judges/guest judges spoke about how both Ore and Louise came from nowhere in terms of dance ability, but Danny had professional training.

This sounds like unfairness to me.

Clearly Ore is the only one with no prior dance training. And one would suggest that Louise is the most experienced and trained dancer.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:14
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I'm not sure if Louise has had dance training
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:30
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Of course she has. She started dancing when she was very young and went to Italia Conti at the age of 11 and, presumably, left at 16. when she was in Eternal she would have got stage craft which is a great asset for Strictly.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:45
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Even in her blog as a judge for 'so you think you can dance uk' it reads Louise a trained dancer at Italia Conti. In fact, from memory I remember how she danced and taught sessions at the choreography camp stage. She is a trained dancer, who then joined a girl band. She is of similar ilk to Kimberley from Pussycat dolls.

Whereas Danny, has gone to theatre school and stared in the west end.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:52
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I thought Ore had done some kind of dance for red nose
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:52
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Even in her blog as a judge for 'so you think you can dance uk' it reads Louise a trained dancer at Italia Conti. In fact, from memory I remember how she danced and taught sessions at the choreography camp stage. She is a trained dancer, who then joined a girl band. She is of similar ilk to Kimberley from Pussycat dolls.

Whereas Danny, has gone to theatre school and stared in the west end.
Hi boysforpele.

While Danny has been in the west end he hasn't been a west end star. People have made a lot of his 4 years in Wicked without actually knowing what he did in the show. In his own words...

"Well. I understudied a little character (called Boq) and actually when the dancers danced on the show my character stood at the side." He went on to say..."I never got a job as a dancer, I never had a job where there was a dance audition." ...and " I've never been one to feel like I need to fight my case...the only thing that disappoints me is that it takes the credit away from what Oti has achieved. People saying I went into the show being able to do what I've done, it's not fair on her because she's remarkable

It was singing that helped get him the part as it happens. So after Strictly let's hope he really can be called a west end star.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:54
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Hi boysforpele.

While Danny has been in the west end he hasn't been a west end star. People have made a lot of his 4 years in Wicked without actually knowing what he did in the show. In his own words...

"Well. I understudied a little character (called Boq) and actually when the dancers danced on the show my character stood at the side." He went on to say..."I never got a job as a dancer, I never had a job where there was a dance audition." ...and " I've never been one to feel like I need to fight my case...the only thing that disappoints me is that it takes the credit away from what Oti has achieved. People saying I went into the show being able to do what I've done, it's not fair on her because she's remarkable

It was singing that helped get him the part as it happens. So after Striclty lets hope he really can be called a west end star.
Thanks and BiB really says it all.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:54
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I thought Ore had done some kind of dance for red nose
This, great cause great song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyx3w4_Opns

I just noticed he has Oti's samba move in there!
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:56
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Thanks and BiB really says it all.
It does but I think it's probably too little said too late to affect any voting after last weeks pushing of the non dancer aspect on the show.

Mind you on the plus side Danny and Oti were featured on gogglebox doing the salsa last night...I forgot how good that actually was.
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:00
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I am slightly disappointed how the contestants dance experience is being unfairly used against them.

Danny Mac went to an arts school and played parts on the west end and he has had to publicly defend himself and his previous experience. Whereas Louise perhaps has the most dance background as she trained with Italia arts academy with a dance specialism and was even a judge on so you think you can dance owing to her dance credentials. Yet this is overlooked and ignored. On the final take two - judges/guest judges spoke about how both Ore and Louise came from nowhere in terms of dance ability, but Danny had professional training.

This sounds like unfairness to me.

Clearly Ore is the only one with no prior dance training. And one would suggest that Louise is the most experienced and trained dancer.
Virtually anyone who has any sort of drama or music training will have done some dance, what annoyed me was when Len(?) mentioned Danny and Louise's previous experience and tried to equate Claudia's gymnastics with it in order to promote Ore.
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:04
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It does but I think it's probably too little said too late to affect any voting after last weeks pushing of the non dancer aspect on the show.

Mind you on the plus side Danny and Oti were featured on gogglebox doing the salsa last night...I forgot how good that actually was.
Consoling myself with the thought that all the sibling rivalry being promoted, Doti will sail through the middle and win.
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:11
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Well in the paper this morning they are reporting that the judges don't want Danny to win because he is too highly trained. Well I would take that with a large pinch of salt, but just in case its true, I shall certainly be voting for him tonight.
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:24
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A bit late in the day for this thread!!
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:37
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What I don't understand is how Danny managed to fit 4 years in Wicked before he did 4 years in Hollyoaks! The timing is impossible.

He is 28 and he went to ArtsEd from the age of 18 to 21, (2009) which leaves 6 years up to 2015 when he left Hollyoaks. He joined Hollyoaks in 2011 so there is only 2 years left. I know he is talented but come on!
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:49
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What I don't understand is how Danny managed to fit 4 years in Wicked before he did 4 years in Hollyoaks! The timing is impossible.

He is 28 and he went to ArtsEd from the age of 18 to 21, (2009) which leaves 6 years up to 2015 when he left Hollyoaks. He joined Hollyoaks in 2011 so there is only 2 years left. I know he is talented but come on!
It's obvious. He had a magic 50p and when he rubbed the Queen's nose and spun it in the air time stopped completely for us mortals and in that time he learned to salsa, samba, star in numerous west end productions (which nobody saw because they were frozen in time)...quite frankly I don't know what Oti has been doing in the practise room...probably her nails.
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:49
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With regard to Boq, my friend Iddon Jones is currently playing the role on the international tour and it is more than just a little character. He did actually have a dance audition as Boq does dance in the show in several of the songs.

As Danny was understudy then he would have been part of the ensemble cast which means he would have had to be a very good dancer as the dance routines in Wicked are spectacular.

I do think Danny is amazing but playing down what he did in Wicked isn't the done thing.

Hi boysforpele.

While Danny has been in the west end he hasn't been a west end star. People have made a lot of his 4 years in Wicked without actually knowing what he did in the show. In his own words...

"Well. I understudied a little character (called Boq) and actually when the dancers danced on the show my character stood at the side." He went on to say..."I never got a job as a dancer, I never had a job where there was a dance audition." ...and " I've never been one to feel like I need to fight my case...the only thing that disappoints me is that it takes the credit away from what Oti has achieved. People saying I went into the show being able to do what I've done, it's not fair on her because she's remarkable

It was singing that helped get him the part as it happens. So after Strictly let's hope he really can be called a west end star.
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Old 17-12-2016, 11:53
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With regard to Boq, my friend Iddon Jones is currently playing the role on the international tour and it is more than just a little character. He did actually have a dance audition as Boq does dance in the show in several of the songs.

As Danny was understudy then he would have been part of the ensemble cast which means he would have had to be a very good dancer as the dance routines in Wicked are spectacular.

I do think Danny is amazing but playing down what he did in Wicked isn't the done thing.
Whatever your friend has to do for an international tour it must be very different to what Danny had to do for his role. Maybe the travelling means a smaller cast, I wouldn't presume to guess or contradict someone who was in it and therefore knows! Too many people would have been involved in the production for him to state it as anything other that it was. Your friend auditioned to dance and therefore Boq danced, Danny auditioned as a singer and probably sang more.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:02
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Whatever your friend has to do for an international tour it must be very different to what Danny had to do for his role. Maybe the travelling means a smaller cast, I wouldn't presume to guess or contradict someone who was in it and therefore knows! Too many people would have been involved in the production for him to state it as anything other that it was. Your friend auditioned to dance and therefore Boq danced, Danny auditioned as a singer and probably sang more.
Touring is very different to fixed venue shows. Costs have to be managed, so no room for understudies who cannot multitask.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:05
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previous experience is a good thing.

otherwise we'd have a whole show full of duffers and no hopers, with the occasional, rare sauvant emerging.

i do enjoy watching the plucky triers, for the first few weeks, and its lovely to watch those people with a little previous (or from a related field) who are able to really develop their dancing through the show.

i think all the finalists, and claudia (4th finalist) are great examples of people who have earned their place for different reasons.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:29
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I have heard a lot more about Danny being a trained dancer than Louise and that seems very unfair. If she was a judge in a previous dance competition and even trained some of the contestants I think she should not have been a candidate for SCD. It seems very unfair indeed. No wonder she can glide around the dance floor with such ease. Ora did not even dance at his own wedding! Look at him now. Wonderful.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:30
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I saw a clip of Danny in Wicked and when they did a dance he wasn't in it. He moved to one side! If he had been a member of the chorus he would have danced.
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Old 17-12-2016, 14:43
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Consoling myself with the thought that all the sibling rivalry being promoted, Doti will sail through the middle and win.
With a lovely favourable wind behind them not caused by the judges flapping their paddles but applause.
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Old 17-12-2016, 14:49
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Ore is the only one left who has no previous dance experience.
He is the only non-ringer left.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:03
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Of course she has. She started dancing when she was very young and went to Italia Conti at the age of 11 and, presumably, left at 16. when she was in Eternal she would have got stage craft which is a great asset for Strictly.
Yeah, she showed her early dancing shoes (ballet and tap) in one back stage clip, one pair was for about a 5 or 6 year old and the other maybe a 6 or 8 year old.

Danny only did 2 years (and started as an adult), in an interview he said that at his ArtsEd training he was always playing catch-up to the rest of the people on the course who had all been to stage school (so they were all like Louise).

He said that he had to put in a lot of long hours and hard work just to keep up with them, so it's really unfair that people think that he has more training than her.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:05
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I am fed up with the whole previous dance experience stuff. All I care about is that the celebrities haven't had prior Ballroom and Latin dance experience.
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