Don't be SILLY Mac.

Danny has still had raft loads more 'stage dancing' experience. It's just how it bloody is.

Just trying to lighten the mood in here it is like a War Zone.

Here's a straw. I believe it's the last one. Want to clutch it?

I'm grateful you put yourself up as a pot shot you sweetie. Seriously. It is a bit

I think you have to accept celebs with dance experience because there really isn't anyway of fairly attributing a handicap of some kind. The thought of only allowing celebs on the show who have absolutely no dance experience seems a tad limiting.

I just call any one who has a bit of a flit round the dance floor after signing eminently sensible.

Wasn't it Scott Maslen's mum who proudly produced photos of her boy to show on ITT in a tail suit in a junior dancing comp?

I agree. If I knew months in advance I was appearing I'd get private tuition.

I don't remember that about Scott but it was 'known' he had dance experience but it was not made an issue. I think DvO has left an unpleasant legacy.

And private crying lessons, it was on 2 for 1 offer

they must be, because, and no disrespect to either, but they always look soooo flat-footed when they do their little dance routines on saturdays.

our local fire engine crew have hired him (only double pay mind) to 'stand by' over the festive period in case they are called out and their hose packs up in the cold weather.

Exactly!

So, not quite the 'zero dance training' we have been spoon-fed by the likes of his (new-found, where where you till week 12?) 'army' of fans, the bbc and some rags, not to mention O'blubber himself, eh?
We are getting there.....slowly. At this rate next years's series will have started!!

No, I said nothing like that.


Yes, I honestly didn't say something you've made up in your own head.



I'll do my best not to post something that you've made up in your head, but I can't guarantee not to.

Merry Christmas.

BIB: Not quite true - Ian Waite said: "Danny’s been so outstanding, and we’ve seen Louise grow from nowhere, and also, Ore has come from nowhere":

At 53:30

So, although you might still take issue with the accuracy and fairness of the actual statement, I heard no mention of previous training for any of them, certainly not professional training, with the exception of a comment by Kevin:

"Louise tells me she's danced before... but I've seen some of her videos and... she hasn't".

I think you seriously need to read the dictionary honey.

In years to come Ore will be talked about as a winner of SCD .

It will also always be mentioned that Danny was a lot better than him.

He just was, objectively he has much better technique and danced much more complex dances,


You don't happen to have liked him and happen to prefer Ore.

Fair enough, but posting that Ore was the better dancer and smashed it in the final out dancing Danny is your subjective opinion, repeating it obsessively doesn't make it true. Both made mistakes, the voting public preferred Ore, fine.

In fact repeating something that can objectively be shown to be untrue makes you look odd!

If you want to appreciate Danny and don't want too read anything where people say that Ore wasn't the better dancer I suggest you go where that view is accepted, actually I think you may be in a very small group there, even as small as 1.

On the night people voted for him, that does not mean that they thought he was the better dancer, they just preferred what he danced.


you are asked to vote for your favorite, you were not told to dance for the better dancer this year though you were last year. More votes does not equal better dancer. Christopher Parker proved that in season one. It's fairly well established now!

Oh I miss the rolley eyes!

' this seems to amount to 'your opinion subjective and wrong, my opinion objective and true'

it would be laughable if it weren't quite so tragic.

Yeah I certainly take issue with the accuracy and fairness of the actual statement.
'Louise has grown from nowhere, Ore has come from nowhere' - what else do you suggest he was referring to?
Unless Nowhere is a place I've never heard of.
Actually I do know a place called No Place so that may be it.

He's talking about her confidence - it was a large part of her story.

90% of the talk re Danny and Louise on this forum for the first month was "Danny is so good, he's the best man ever, they're undermarking him to make it look like a competition" and "Louise is so dowdy, look at the big horrible tents she's wearing, she's so mimsy and dull, Jamie must be stifling her and refusing to let her shine" so I don't know why everyone's feigning surprise that the show's storylines came out of what you were all already saying.

At least we've got to what was actually said now as opposed to "you obviously didn't watch the last ITT because they wouldn't stop banging on about Danny's training and how Louise and Ore didn't have any".

From your fingers to the mods ears - he's bah-hack

To be fair, Louise's storyline started before DS got hold of it. I think that was always going to be her narrative (apart from the stifling Jamie bit at any rate). Her first couple of dresses were - particularly the launch show thing - hideous and completed long before anyone got a chance to comment. She even did an interview at launch time reiterating how un body confident she was.

I'm not saying the story wasn't ran with - but it was handed over virtually fully formed.

And so has Louise too. Even counting 'So You Can Dance' and possible private lessons 'tis the truth.

Objectively, he hasn't actually. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. But in any case, the winner would have been Louise based purely on technique.

I was hoping a dancer would arrive to provide the truth of technique and may be the choreography too -? Was Danny's choreography from Oti more complex than that Jo provided for Ore?

Yes she did its annoying that had she was a judge on SYTCD and possibly had dance lessons but its ok for her having experience whereas people were moaning about Danny and saying he shouldn't of even been the programme

Generally I would say it was more complex compared to Ore's but then if you dance a competition, complex choreography doesn't necessarily win it for you. Simpler choreography can sometimes be more appealing depending on whether it is presented with wit and charm. It is the execution that is important. I'm not saying difficulty is not a consideration but It's not like some sports where the level of difficulty is used to multiply up the marks.

Also, in my view, Danny won the semi final dance off even though Claudia's QS choreography was more complex and better executed. So in that instance the luck went his way.

I'm not doing Danny down. I really like him. Right up to the final I was going to vote for him, but then changed my vote to Ore. For me Danny did present the best overall package throughout the series, but not in the final. However I just wonder sometimes what people are referring to when they mention good technique, because ballroom technique is very specific.