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Old 17-12-2016, 16:13
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It's because him and Oti work hard. The saying "practice makes perfect" is SO true for Danny and Oti.
Yes! He has a natural rhythm (as does ore). Despite that fact that Louise actually trained in dance, Danny is still better than her....perhaps that is why folk are quick to bash him with the old 'trained dancer' spiel...they hear west end and automatically assume hes flippin Michael Flatley
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:13
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The fact that he presents ballet productions with Darcey says he must know something about dancing. There'd be no other reason to have a sports presenter presenting it.
I don't know anything of Ore's dance training (or not) but I can say that regarding the ballet broadcasts, it's often the case that the producers try (not always very successfully in my opinion) to balance out Darcey's knowledge with someone who is new to ballet. They think it makes the subject more accessible and that they'll get more viewers. Maybe it works, I don't know, I'm usually cringing in the corner at the questions they ask and wishing the whole thing could convey the educational aspect without the cringe. But I'm looking it as someone who has heard those newbie questions a thousand times so I'm not criticising, just wishing a different format was used.

But I hope I've explained why a presenter with no ballet background is sometimes called upon.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:13
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Someone saying they saw one video where he wasn't dancing isn't really powerful evidence.

And as OTHERS have said, Danny must have been ensemble if he was understudying, and that involves dancing - so ....

Do any of you REALLY believe Danny is a beginner? REALLY?

His faults are even typical W E chorus - too light on his feet, technique not down, but showmanship etc.

I agree he wasn't any sort of WE star though. I'm sure he'll have a bit of a run after Strictly, but I don't think he's got 'star' in him, personally.

I actually saw him with my own eyes. When you understudy a main role in such a big production, you're generally not put into the chorus because they won't want to be without an understudy if something happens requiring a change.

Even if he was ever in the chorus, it's learning a few basic steps. I can dance one of the dances from the Producers because I was in it at school - it took me 6 weeks. Does that mean I can dance the Waltz or the Paso? No!
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:13
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So why was she picked as a judge for So You Think You Can Dance then? She must know something about dancing!
No doubt when she was picked as a judge for SYTYCD her dance background was exaggerated to give her credibility and now she's on Strictly, her dance background is being underplayed to give her credibility

Len has said that sport stars have just as much advantage as stage school kids because they are used to coaching, taking direction and fit ... In the case of gymnast that is even more so if they have done floor routines and are far more flexible.

Actors can also be accused of being able to 'get into character' more easily ... I could go on.

I also remember Erin being asked recently if she thought any of the contestants could be professional. Her reply was that because you've taught them a dance, it does not make them a dancer !!

As long as no one has any previous experience in Latin or Ballroom I'm happy.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:14
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as a dance teacher is it very obvious to me Ore has had no formal training - would hardly call that one dance for comic relief dance experience.

It is also very obvious that Louise and danny have had training Louise in her feet (so well placed) and Danny in his style and presentation and good spins - I have no problem with people who have been trained in the past on the show as long as they are open about it and both Danhy and Louise have been so don't see why people have a problem. Certainly no need to try and downplay their training from some on here
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:16
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I actually saw him with my own eyes. When you understudy a main role in such a big production, you're generally not put into the chorus because they won't want to be without an understudy if something happens requiring a change.

Even if he was ever in the chorus, it's learning a few basic steps. I can dance one of the dances from the Producers because I was in it at school - it took me 6 weeks. Does that mean I can dance the Waltz or the Paso? No!
Are you not put in the chorus? That's not my understanding.

I'm sorry, I do not buy 'a few basic steps', sounds awfully similar to 'sitting on a chair'.

And truthfully, I don't think ANYONE really believes that Danny hasn't had protracted training and experience.

I don't even CARE. I don't mind ringers.

I just find Danny rather an essentially boring backing dancer in a musical sort of ringer.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:16
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Jay didn't hide his experience. In fact it was discussed widely here on this forum that he had gone to MADD. He didn't admit it after he won - thats inferring like he tried to keep it quiet during the series and he didnt.
Well said! It was in his biography for the ruddy show, so how anyone could say he hid it baffles me.

Danny's a ringer
Louise is a ringer
Ore, who knows.

None of them is exactly World Ballroom Dance Champion so judge them on that basis and whether you like their dancing/personality/whatever floats your boat.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:17
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No doubt when she was picked as a judge for SYTYCD her dance background was exaggerated to give her credibility and now she's on Strictly, her dance background is being underplayed to give her credibility
Exactly!
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:18
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as a dance teacher is it very obvious to me Ore has had no formal training - would hardly call that one dance for comic relief dance experience.

It is also very obvious that Louise and danny have had training Louise in her feet (so well placed) and Danny in his style and presentation and good spins - I have no problem with people who have been trained in the past on the show as long as they are open about it and both Danhy and Louise have been so don't see why people have a problem. Certainly no need to try and downplay their training from some on here
Completely agree, bendy.

Ore demonstrates huge natural talent - and at some dances far more than others, and in some figures more than others.

He's also a bit inconsistent between and within his dances - this is typical of a talented beginner.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:23
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Why not a sports presenter people have heard of then? You only know Ore if you watch BBC breakfast. He went to private school - there's no way he hasn't had some sort of dance lessons over the years.
Ore is a well known sports commentator and did a lot at the Olympics.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:54
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Reading this thread has made me laugh

To sum up:

Louise is massively trained (up to 16) and a terrible, awful ringer.

Ore is also trained as he danced once for comedy

Danny studied only Drama (although other sources disagree) and he just sat on a chair when he was in Wicked for years.


Righto then.
IKR! Louise also hasn't danced in any meaningful way in years little routines to Eternal and her own singles are not what I call dancing. I would hazard a guess many of us could pull them off.

Ore wouldn't be stupid enough to make a claim of non dance experience in the SM world.

Danny, I don't really care that he has experience, I enjoy his dances but let's not pretend either that he has no clue.

So why was she picked as a judge for So You Think You Can Dance then? She must know something about dancing!
Because she had some dance experience, was a popular singer and a name.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:57
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Why not a sports presenter people have heard of then? You only know Ore if you watch BBC breakfast. He went to private school - there's no way he hasn't had some sort of dance lessons over the years.
He also covered the Olympics and was very popular so got the gig? I don't know but I believe he has not been formally dance trained like the other two.
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:57
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I don't know anything of Ore's dance training (or not) but I can say that regarding the ballet broadcasts, it's often the case that the producers try (not always very successfully in my opinion) to balance out Darcey's knowledge with someone who is new to ballet. They think it makes the subject more accessible and that they'll get more viewers. Maybe it works, I don't know, I'm usually cringing in the corner at the questions they ask and wishing the whole thing could convey the educational aspect without the cringe. But I'm looking it as someone who has heard those newbie questions a thousand times so I'm not criticising, just wishing a different format was used.

But I hope I've explained why a presenter with no ballet background is sometimes called upon.
Thanks for posting this explanation. Let's hope it goes someway to offset those desperate enough to try and find an iota of proof that Ore has had previous dance training.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:06
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Thanks for posting this explanation. Let's hope it goes someway to offset those desperate enough to try and find an iota of proof that Ore has had previous dance training.
I don't think its desperate to try and find out whether or not Ore has had previous dance experience. Its just some of us don't buy that he started from scratch as he was far too good.

Anyway after tonight it wont matter an iota. We will all go back to our normal lives and whoever wins wont change anything for us. I would prefer it not to be Ore though.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:15
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I am being - I think both Danny and Louise are ringers! In all seriousness, I agree that if everyone was a straightforward beginner, it would be a dull series. I don't mind some stage school experience. This year though, having Danny and Louise in it has taken it a bit too far and I am uncomfortable with it. I often laugh when people start claiming overmarking and undermarking by the judges. It doesn't seem right to have people being judged by the same criteria when some of them have a great advantage over the others. It wouldn't surprise me if they try and balance things up a little which would explain things...
Of course they say - this is an entertainment show blablabla, but when TPTB mix ringers with duffers, the show's own format doesn't allow duffers to get too far.
So, even from the beginning they must know who will make it to the final/semi final or not. Because it is obvious what kind of people could make the final and what could not - like Ed Balls. I didn't vote for him in the last couple of shows when he was still in, but obviously he was a favourite and could have made the semi final.
Yes of course the purpose of taking part in Strictly is not the winning, but still, the fact that some realities are more or less predetermined takes away part of the excitement.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:23
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Why not a sports presenter people have heard of then? You only know Ore if you watch BBC breakfast. He went to private school - there's no way he hasn't had some sort of dance lessons over the years.
I did country dancing at school but I wouldn't consider myself a ringah
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:24
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Someone saying they saw one video where he wasn't dancing isn't really powerful evidence.

And as OTHERS have said, Danny must have been ensemble if he was understudying, and that involves dancing - so ....

Do any of you REALLY believe Danny is a beginner? REALLY?

His faults are even typical W E chorus - too light on his feet, technique not down, but showmanship etc.

I agree he wasn't any sort of WE star though. I'm sure he'll have a bit of a run after Strictly, but I don't think he's got 'star' in him, personally.
You're making things up here to get all aeriated. No one has said Danny is a beginner. he has been very open about what he did like lots of actors at stage school. But he didn't dance in Wicked...he said so and two people who saw it said so too.

I can quite believe Ore has not had any training...he has natural ability. But I think allowing the 'never even danced at my wedding' line to be so often said when he clearly isn't that afraid of dancing as we can see in his comic relief vid doesn't feel right to me.

But it's academic...he may well win because they pushed that storyline so much in the semis and it's too late now to redress that.

And that will be ok because Ore was untrained and if that's what the public want this year good for him, I've actually enjoyed a couple of his dances (Jive, Singin' in the rain). If Louise wins too great, making such a public and out there comeback after being a fulltime? mum takes guts. But I'll be happiest if it's Danny and Oti.

To me he's the laddie lad who was afraid to be good at dancing but it turns out he is.
And Oti has been the star of SCD this year for me...I'd give her her own series...anything. She's fab.

And whoever wins I shall enjoy Danny in the future proving you wrong about his future, you seem to be pretty invested in his failure as a west end star...can't wait for you to be proved wrong. I'll raise my current glass of mulled wine to it.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:27
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You're making things up here to get all aeriated. No one has said Danny is a beginner. he has been very open about what he did like lots of actors at stage school. But he didn't dance in Wicked...he said so and two people who saw it said so too.

I can quite believe Ore has not had any training...he has natural ability. But I think allowing the 'never even danced at my wedding' line to be so often said when he clearly isn't that afraid of dancing as we can see in his comic relief vid doesn't feel right to me.

But it's academic...he may well win because they pushed that storyline so much in the semis and it's too late now to redress that.

And that will be ok because Ore was untrained and if that's what the public want this year good for him, I've actually enjoyed a couple of his dances (Jive, Singin' in the rain). If Louise wins too great, making such a public and out there comeback after being a fulltime? mum takes guts. But I'll be happiest if it's Danny and Oti.

To me he's the laddie lad who was afraid to be good at dancing but it turns out he is.
And Oti has been the star of SCD this year for me...I'd give her her own series...anything. She's fab.

And whoever wins I shall enjoy Danny in the future proving you wrong about his future, you seem to be pretty invested in his failure as a west end star...can't wait for you to be proved wrong. I'll raise my current glass of mulled wine to it.
Sorry that made me laugh a bit. The 'laddie' studied drama and dance, he's been on the WE stage, and he really wants a career in it, obviously.

Not all that 'lad' then, more WE chorus boy.

And nothing wrong with that.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:39
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OP, I've had some similar thoughts on this for a few weeks.

It's one thing I've found interesting - that many people outside of DS seem to think Louise is more similar to Ore in terms of lack of dance experience than to Danny.

They're much more on par in terms of background, but she has flown quite under the radar on that front.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:41
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IKR! Louise also hasn't danced in any meaningful way in years little routines to Eternal and her own singles are not what I call dancing. I would hazard a guess many of us could pull them off.

Ore wouldn't be stupid enough to make a claim of non dance experience in the SM world.

Danny, I don't really care that he has experience, I enjoy his dances but let's not pretend either that he has no clue.


Because she had some dance experience, was a popular singer and a name.
Nobody is saying that Danny has no training, just that Louise has had much more.

And the fact that she started very young is a huge advantage as it becomes second nature.

It's like learning a language or playing a sport, the earlier you start the easier it is. You'd be hard pressed to find any professional sports person who started at 18, but ones that started as young as Louise (started her dancing) are the vast majority.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:41
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OP, I've had some similar thoughts on this for a few weeks.

It's one thing I've found interesting - that many people outside of DS seem to think Louise is more similar to Ore in terms of lack of dance experience than to Danny.

They're much more on par in terms of background, but she has flown quite under the radar on that front.
I suppose it's because Louise was trained a long time ago, and she's over forty now.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:42
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What I don't understand is how Danny managed to fit 4 years in Wicked before he did 4 years in Hollyoaks! The timing is impossible.

He is 28 and he went to ArtsEd from the age of 18 to 21, (2009) which leaves 6 years up to 2015 when he left Hollyoaks. He joined Hollyoaks in 2011 so there is only 2 years left. I know he is talented but come on!
Simple, he didn't. It was 21 months in Wicked, it's all in the bio 👍
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:45
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I suppose it's because Louise was trained a long time ago, and she's over forty now.
There are plenty who don't seem to know she's even had it at all though. Still, by now most have their favourites and views fairly set on how they see each contestant.

Sometimes think people can only see one ringer. Think it happened a bit with Caroline initially - she flew under the radar with Pixie there, though her background was thrown up more towards the end of the show.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:47
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There are plenty who don't seem to know she's even had it at all though. Still, by now most have their favourites and views fairly set on how they see each contestant.

Sometimes think people can only see one ringer. Think it happened a bit with Caroline initially - she flew under the radar with Pixie there, though her background was thrown up more towards the end of the show.
I didn't know that. I thought her ringerdom must be fairly well known.
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Old 17-12-2016, 19:44
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I consider Louise more of a ringer, Italia Conti is one of the best vocational schools for young dancers. My 10 year old has danced from an early age and she sometimes accompanies me to Zumba classes and everyone is amazed at how quickly she picks up the steps.

Even if Louise doesn't dance now she wasn't just a once a week dancer as a child, she studied hours of dance every day.
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